robroy:
commonrail:
I’d sooner work hard for 10 hours than [zb] about for 15.
Assuming the cash is same.
Well I reckon anybody would.
15 hrs [zb] about is still 15 hours spent at work and on a lesser hourly rate for 10hrs spent at work working hard if the cash is the same .
I know I’m stating the bleedin obvious but I can not see a relavent point here. 
Ok…i’ll try to clarify.
If half of our working week,was’nt spent ■■■■■■■ in supermarket distribution centres…maybe we’d stand a chance at a more realistic workload.
I.e.less hours.
I mean…4/5 hours to tip 24 pallets of plastic bags at Sainsbury’s stoke ffs.
You’ve got to send a tramper in,because there’s every chance they won’t get back.
This should be day man’s work…2 loads a day…leaving trampers to do proper tramping work I.e.distance.
Delays are inevitable,but these supermarkets take the ■■■■.
■■■■ taking affects profitability,which,in turn affects the driver.
I’ve just taken a job in a completely different sector.it’s not own account,but the reduction in hours is not insignificant…and for more money.
Reason:
The truck keeps moving 
commonrail:
robroy:
commonrail:
I’d sooner work hard for 10 hours than [zb] about for 15.
Assuming the cash is same.
Well I reckon anybody would.
15 hrs [zb] about is still 15 hours spent at work and on a lesser hourly rate for 10hrs spent at work working hard if the cash is the same .
I know I’m stating the bleedin obvious but I can not see a relavent point here.
Ok…i’ll try to clarify.
If half of our working week,was’nt spent ■■■■■■■ in supermarket distribution centres…maybe we’d stand a chance at a more realistic workload.
I.e.less hours.
I mean…4/5 hours to tip 24 pallets of plastic bags at Sainsbury’s stoke ffs.
You’ve got to send a tramper in,because there’s every chance they won’t get back.
This should be day man’s work…2 loads a day…leaving trampers to do proper tramping work I.e.distance.
Delays are inevitable,but these supermarkets take the ■■■■.
■■■■ taking affects profitability,which,in turn affects the driver.
I’ve just taken a job in a completely different sector.it’s not own account,but the reduction in hours is not insignificant…and for more money.
Reason:
The truck keeps moving
Yeh I hate ■■■■ supermarket rdc deliveries myself for all the reasons you mention. Thankfully don’t do them that often.
This is exactly why poa was devised when the wtd came about to bow down to and appease these multi million pound ■■■■■■ national companies. 
The powers that be could have said
Look these 4 hour turnarounds are no ■■■■ good any longer with the new wtd rules, you need to get your acts together for a max 1 hour turnaround in order for us to adhere to it in road haulage.
But no, better idea 
…we’ll stitch up the drivers with poa, that way we do not rock the boat and ■■■■ you off, and it looks on paper as if drivers are reducing their working hours for wtd, everybody’s happy…except the poor mug drivers.
Simplistic account I know, but you know what I mean.
Fascinating topic - I’ve filmed working days with drivers for my video channel, and on container days have been surprised at the variations in time we’ve taken to move through whatever loading/tipping system firms have in place.
The overall consensus seems to be that most drivers would far rather that their drops dealt with them efficiently, and got them off on their way - no-one much wants to spend an hour, let alone two or three sitting on a bay, waiting . .
It ties up with the famous “driver shortage” story - most drivers would be happier if most of their drops and collection points were more efficient, and most would also be happier to work a day that had more driving content, and less waiting about. There’s an obvious solution to reduce driver shortages:
Efficient transport customers = efficient transport industry, with drivers having good jobs and firms making money . . . until the transport companies compete themselves to the bottom rate every time!
Yes
At the end of the day,I became a lorry driver,to drive lorries.
Not look at one through a rdc waiting room window
If they have windows…that is 
commonrail:
robroy:
commonrail:
I’d sooner work hard for 10 hours than [zb] about for 15.
Assuming the cash is same.
Well I reckon anybody would.
15 hrs [zb] about is still 15 hours spent at work and on a lesser hourly rate for 10hrs spent at work working hard if the cash is the same .
I know I’m stating the bleedin obvious but I can not see a relavent point here.
Ok…i’ll try to clarify.
If half of our working week,was’nt spent ■■■■■■■ in supermarket distribution centres…maybe we’d stand a chance at a more realistic workload.
I.e.less hours.
I mean…4/5 hours to tip 24 pallets of plastic bags at Sainsbury’s stoke ffs.
You’ve got to send a tramper in,because there’s every chance they won’t get back.
This should be day man’s work…2 loads a day…leaving trampers to do proper tramping work I.e.distance.
Delays are inevitable,but these supermarkets take the ■■■■.
■■■■ taking affects profitability,which,in turn affects the driver.
I’ve just taken a job in a completely different sector.it’s not own account,but the reduction in hours is not insignificant…and for more money.
Reason:
The truck keeps moving
When I used to do general turd work, Sainsbury’s Stoke was the worst place I ever did. More than often a 4 hour tip.
Absolute joke of a place 
I hate waiting around. As I do nights at the moment I cab hob while the day drivers get assigned their units. This means that I’m bound by the times to get back for the day driver yet the same day driver can be delayed and the office will just get me another unit.
Some nights I have 13+ hours to do a run that could get done in less than 10 and thats with a decent break while other nights I’ll only be given 10.5 hours before the day driver is in. The week before I went for my holiday I was given a tip/reload Wigan and to do it in 10.5 hours. That’s 2 hours 50 minutes each way, a complete strip out for the tip then the build back up which can take about 2 hours + for the whole thing. Add in 45 minutes for a break then when you’re back you have to dump your trailer on the dock, fuel up then get the day man’s trailer. All before he gets in.
I’ve given up trying to understand it all though. I just get on with my run, keep to the speed limits and take my break when I can. If I’m late back then the day driver just has to wait. Doesn’t happen that often though.
And it’s run by a logistics company,who should know what effect long delays have on their operation.
We used to collect the odd back load from DHL Stanton… .for delivery to stoke.
So my boss is charging DHL waiting time for delays caused by DHL.
Twoninety88:
McPlod:
Apart from some absolutely grotty waiting rooms one of my main issues is drivers ourselves. I have been driving over 20 years and mobile phones are taking their toll . In a waiting room now look how much conversation their is and how many heads are in phones
Considering the level of conversation you get in drivers rooms, the phone is probably the best option.
Well considering I’ve not been doing this rdc stuff long I’ve gotta say I stick to my phone. Places are usually full of unhappy drivers moaning about the job or the waiting time or they don’t speak English.
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commonrail:
And it’s run by a logistics company,who should know what effect long delays have on their operation.
.
It has always amazed me that.
Another transport firm should know the score you would think.
commonrail:
At the end of the day,I became a lorry driver,to drive lorries.
^ This.
The problem is that idea is now contradicted by a transport policy that’s all about minimising the mileage carried out by lorries wherever possible using punitive fuel taxation to do it.Together with a logistics system that often seems to be based on using truck load deck space as warehouse space.Possibly to the point where the latter is more profitable than the former.
Hi. my gripe is that usually at rdc’s you have a delivery time /window and woe betide you if you are early/late
ok go to hand in your paperwork and get told theres a wait… theres a wait ! …im here on “TIME” and you cannot seem to process that there should be sufficiant staff to be ready and prepared to to unload the product that they ordered that was delivered on time at their request … Excuses being… shift change, wharehouse full up,system is down,staff have not turned up ,agency staff not turned up,
previous shift have not put previous deliveries away ( tesco doncaster ) and the all time classic we didnt order this …
it seems to me they just want some temporary storage … At least with aldi and lidl you know whats going to happen ( not that im a big fan of self tip ) in my experience i find the smaller companies are better to deliver to as they want the stuff as soon as or if there is a delay its not going to be long ie one or two wagons
Notimetoulouse:
Hi. my gripe is that usually at rdc’s you have a delivery time /window and woe betide you if you are early/late
ok go to hand in your paperwork and get told theres a wait… theres a wait ! …im here on “TIME” and you cannot seem to process that there should be sufficiant staff to be ready and prepared to to unload the product that they ordered that was delivered on time at their request … Excuses being… shift change, wharehouse full up,system is down,staff have not turned up ,agency staff not turned up,
previous shift have not put previous deliveries away ( tesco doncaster ) and the all time classic we didnt order this …
it seems to me they just want some temporary storage … At least with aldi and lidl you know whats going to happen ( not that im a big fan of self tip ) in my experience i find the smaller companies are better to deliver to as they want the stuff as soon as or if there is a delay its not going to be long ie one or two wagons
I go Tesco Doncaster and last few nights they’ve tipped me within 35 mins. Messing up my break lol.
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commonrail:
Yes
At the end of the day,I became a lorry driver,to drive lorries.
Not look at one through a rdc waiting room window
If they have windows…that is
At some of these RDC “Coolers” they put drivers into - the only “windows” you can see in the place - are the ones running on the clerk’s desktop PCs. 
