With you on that Ramone, its easy to blame the unions for this and that but it was more down to crap management.
obviously some people given an inch will take a yard and obviously Leyland were giving more than an inch ,it should have been stamped on early doors and someone made an example of i watched the documentary by Clarkson and the union man and the manager were laughing about cars that were sent out with parts missing,but the designers , and top management were the real villains with what they were churning out and how they let things slide
ramone:
obviously some people given an inch will take a yard and obviously Leyland were giving more than an inch ,it should have been stamped on early doors and someone made an example of i watched the documentary by Clarkson and the union man and the manager were laughing about cars that were sent out with parts missing,but the designers , and top management were the real villains with what they were churning out and how they let things slide
I think it was the same programme; didn’t Clarkson ask how you were meant to build a decent vehicle with one hand in the air? 
I’ve read in a classic mag, that some top bod ended AEC in '79 as he was refused an apprenticeship there, and got one with Leyland instead?
Muckaway:
ramone:
obviously some people given an inch will take a yard and obviously Leyland were giving more than an inch ,it should have been stamped on early doors and someone made an example of i watched the documentary by Clarkson and the union man and the manager were laughing about cars that were sent out with parts missing,but the designers , and top management were the real villains with what they were churning out and how they let things slideI think it was the same programme; didn’t Clarkson ask how you were meant to build a decent vehicle with one hand in the air?
The merger should never have happened ,Leyland had the upper hand from day ,1 they should have stayed independant and maybe 1 of them would have survived
The merger should never have happened ,Leyland had the upper hand from day ,1 they should have stayed independant and maybe 1 of them would have survived
Do you mean that Leyland had better products than AEC pre merger?
And if so, which ones in particular.
del949:
The merger should never have happened ,Leyland had the upper hand from day ,1 they should have stayed independant and maybe 1 of them would have survived
Do you mean that Leyland had better products than AEC pre merger?
And if so, which ones in particular.
No i think they were both good in their time with AEC being the slightly better of the 2 .What ive read about them is it was always a case of us and them never working together this mainly instigated by Leyland.With what both groups had at their disposal did they really need to merge.AEC always had a great reputation until the late 60s then everything seemed to slide,mainly due to a lack of funds and co operation
Fair enough, I thought you were saying Leyland had better trucks than AEC.
del949:
Fair enough, I thought you were saying Leyland had better trucks than AEC.
ahem no way Leyland ruined en
ramone:
del949:
Fair enough, I thought you were saying Leyland had better trucks than AEC.ahem no way Leyland ruined en
From everything I’ve read or heard or anyone I’ve talked to they all say the same thing Leyland ruined it completely
Trouble was the trucks were proppong up the bus and car division
Soldier z:
ramone:
del949:
Fair enough, I thought you were saying Leyland had better trucks than AEC.ahem no way Leyland ruined en
From everything I’ve read or heard or anyone I’ve talked to they all say the same thing Leyland ruined it completely
Trouble was the trucks were proppong up the bus and car division
AEC were a very well respected company before the merger and had some good projects in development until Leyland put a stop to them
I wonder why Paccar never looked at what they had in the Leyland group when they took over.Maybe they could have redesigned the AV760 or the V8 most people said that the V8 had real promise
ramone:
I wonder why Paccar never looked at what they had in the Leyland group when they took over.Maybe they could have redesigned the AV760 or the V8 most people said that the V8 had real promise
Super Space Cab with Cat/■■■■■■■ 14litre 500 mmm 
Muckaway:
ramone:
I wonder why Paccar never looked at what they had in the Leyland group when they took over.Maybe they could have redesigned the AV760 or the V8 most people said that the V8 had real promiseSuper Space Cab with Cat/■■■■■■■ 14litre 500 mmm
Yeah but they had a 13.1 litre V8 they could have developed or even a 12.47,look what they did with the Leyland block and that was 11.6 i think
The way our Dafs are performing lately i could rename this Why did Daf fail?
ramone:
The way our Dafs are performing lately i could rename this Why did Daf fail?
I’ll second that; our 59 plate cf artic has had electric problems this week, and STILL waiting for 2 new cf rigids that’ve been “on the way” I think almost as long as I’ve had my Alpha… 
Can’t understand it, I’ve not heard a bad thing said about our MAN yet no more’ve been ordered…
Muckaway:
ramone:
The way our Dafs are performing lately i could rename this Why did Daf fail?I’ll second that; our 59 plate cf artic has had electric problems this week, and STILL waiting for 2 new cf rigids that’ve been “on the way” I think almost as long as I’ve had my Alpha…
ABS/EBS faults and endless adblue faults…thats what you`ve got to look forward to
ramone:
Muckaway:
ramone:
The way our Dafs are performing lately i could rename this Why did Daf fail?I’ll second that; our 59 plate cf artic has had electric problems this week, and STILL waiting for 2 new cf rigids that’ve been “on the way” I think almost as long as I’ve had my Alpha…
ABS/EBS faults and endless adblue faults…thats what you`ve got to look forward to
You forgot to mention creaky suspension…
Muckaway:
ramone:
Muckaway:
ramone:
The way our Dafs are performing lately i could rename this Why did Daf fail?I’ll second that; our 59 plate cf artic has had electric problems this week, and STILL waiting for 2 new cf rigids that’ve been “on the way” I think almost as long as I’ve had my Alpha…
ABS/EBS faults and endless adblue faults…thats what you`ve got to look forward to
You forgot to mention creaky suspension…
Cancel em and buy MAN or Scania no adblue