Why are truck drivers paid very poorly

I don’t think drivers are poorly paid when you look at the overall yearly earnings not the hourly rate. Most job now are in the 40-50k/year bracket, for doing a job that you can mostly gain the qualification in in a week.(Yes Karens, I know your alway learning on this job). My overhead line tickets on the railway took me 2 years training to get to that level, and then a ■■■■ site more recert criteria than 35 hours in a classroom every 5 years.

BUT for that earnings we’re doing 1.5 times the hours of most other comparable jobs, so the hourly rate at the end looks bad. The construction ones above are mid 40k a year on a 40 hour week, been there and done it and hated every minute of it.

Rates are never going to change for a multitude of reasons including:

the race to the bottom by most companies in regards to what they charge the customer

The constant influx of drivers believing the carp that theres a shortage and loads to be earned, there will just be constant cycle of hauliers moaning about lack of drivers, rates go up for 6 months, influx of green drivers, rates drop back. Its been happening for years, and will continue to happen.

They’ll never change the hours rules to limit what we can work to the same as a ‘normal’ job, as that would increase costs needing 3 drivers for every current 2 to complete the same work, never mind extra trucks and trailers. The knock on would be that the rates wouldn’t go up either to compensate for the drop in hours for the same reason. Just look how diluted the 48 hour week rules became with POA.

Personally, I’m very happy where I am and what I’m paid, yes more would be nice, but I’m not chased or majorly watched, the kits well speced and maintained, the plannings not too bad and the hours are decent most of the time. But of anything changed I would just look elsewhere or get out of it altogether (did that on the railway, construction, and farming). Nobody forces anyone to do any job, people just need to grow some and vote with their feet.

Henrys cat:
I don’t think drivers are poorly paid when you look at the overall yearly earnings not the hourly rate.

That attitude has allowed haulage companies to get away with paying peanuts for years.

My lad looks at it the way you do and it saddens me. He leaves home early hours of Monday morning, is out all week, gets back after teatime Friday, bangs in 60/70+hrs a week and including his night out money takes home no more than I do doing 45hrs a week and home every day.

If drivers stopped looking at the weekly rate, thinking that earning £900 a week for 60/70hrs a week is good when it’s only one and a half times the average weekly wage for doing double the hours then they’d be getting paid a whole lot more.

I’ve spent alot of time on building sites.
It’s ■■■■■■■ ■■■■■■
You won’t earn amy more…and you’ll go wherever the work is.
Be that travelling or lodging out.
Might be lucky,and get on a local job,but don’t bank on it.

I’ll just add,there’s"drying rooms"for your convenience

I’ve got to say this …the general opinion in the late 60s drivers were labourers with a license, the test coming in gave a bit of respectability but still labourers with a licence and if you ask some employers today they think the same.I recon I got more respect 40yrs back as a machine operator and treated better, then became just another driver in81. Don’t shoot the messenger.

Conor:

Henrys cat:
I don’t think drivers are poorly paid when you look at the overall yearly earnings not the hourly rate.

That attitude has allowed haulage companies to get away with paying peanuts for years.

My lad looks at it the way you do and it saddens me. He leaves home early hours of Monday morning, is out all week, gets back after teatime Friday, bangs in 60/70+hrs a week and including his night out money takes home no more than I do doing 45hrs a week and home every day.

If drivers stopped looking at the weekly rate, thinking that earning £900 a week for 60/70hrs a week is good when it’s only one and a half times the average weekly wage for doing double the hours then they’d be getting paid a whole lot more.

To be fair if I was your lad I’d get away from you as much as I could too :wink:

Conor:

Henrys cat:
I don’t think drivers are poorly paid when you look at the overall yearly earnings not the hourly rate.

That attitude has allowed haulage companies to get away with paying peanuts for years.

My lad looks at it the way you do and it saddens me. He leaves home early hours of Monday morning, is out all week, gets back after teatime Friday, bangs in 60/70+hrs a week and including his night out money takes home no more than I do doing 45hrs a week and home every day.

If drivers stopped looking at the weekly rate, thinking that earning £900 a week for 60/70hrs a week is good when it’s only one and a half times the average weekly wage for doing double the hours then they’d be getting paid a whole lot more.

£900 for 60 hrs is £15 ph , doesn’t sound bad , average for a lorry driver I’d of thought , what are you on ph Connor if you don’t mind me asking ?

Conor:

Henrys cat:
I don’t think drivers are poorly paid when you look at the overall yearly earnings not the hourly rate.

That attitude has allowed haulage companies to get away with paying peanuts for years.

My lad looks at it the way you do and it saddens me. He leaves home early hours of Monday morning, is out all week, gets back after teatime Friday, bangs in 60/70+hrs a week and including his night out money takes home no more than I do doing 45hrs a week and home every day.

If drivers stopped looking at the weekly rate, thinking that earning £900 a week for 60/70hrs a week is good when it’s only one and a half times the average weekly wage for doing double the hours then they’d be getting paid a whole lot more.

This…big time.
Drivers?.., own worst enemy,.especially the gullible ones. :bulb:

If pay structure for those 70+ hours was as it should be, ie 40hrs plus time and a half overtime, only then it would be good money.
One of reasons I cut back on hours…,.sick of knocking my pan in doing excessive hours for same rate right through, or time plus a ■■■■ pound or similar ■■■■ take. :imp:

Can you not get your lad on with your firm btw.?

I got more for my £ in 1970s than I do now…With a log book you could put a fair days work in for a fair days pay…now with a tacho all time wrung every last minute ,there are some good jobs where the company know they get a fair deal few far between. on telly this morning people wanting 4 day week with monday being an easy day . I can just see a truck owner “come in about ten am driver it is monday ho get yourself away at three” . :imp:

JIMBO47:
I’ve got to say this …the general opinion in the late 60s drivers were labourers with a license, the test coming in gave a bit of respectability but still labourers with a licence and if you ask some employers today they think the same.I recon I got more respect 40yrs back as a machine operator and treated better, then became just another driver in81. Don’t shoot the messenger.

This mindset is still around today - I’ve always said that some people think that a truck driver is a labourer with a bit of paper.

robroy:

Conor:
If drivers stopped looking at the weekly rate, thinking that earning £900 a week for 60/70hrs a week is good when it’s only one and a half times the average weekly wage for doing double the hours then they’d be getting paid a whole lot more.

This…big time.
Drivers?.., own worst enemy, especially the gullible ones. :bulb:

Couldn’t agree more. Rests & breaks as short as possible, hours maxxed out constantly, while the rest of the country is being encouraged to have a work/life balance, potentially with a four day working week?

Drivers arguing in favour of working six consecutive days as often as possible, sometimes having tortuous shift patterns where you don’t know if you’re coming or going (Hoyer’s “marriage wrecker” for example). Is it any wonder some companies treat drivers as total mugs?

Another nail in the coffin of my former employer was the day I heard him talking about one of the telehandler drivers: “Push him hard until he breaks then replace him”. I didn’t need to hear him talking about the HGV drivers like that, it was obviously his attitude to everyone.

The way to judge a job on whether or not it is in essence… ‘good money’ is not if in order to earn it means having to work as many hours as you legally (and physically) can, then add on all expenses and allowances to kid yourself…(then again kid yourself, and boast to who ever is unlucky enough to have to listen to ‘‘Aye it’s good money here at: ::::::::: transport’’ )

The way to do it is to consider how much your basic 40 hours pays, and judge whether or not you would theoretically be able to live on that amount as people in ‘‘proper jobs’’ as I call them do.

If you HAVE to work the ridiculous hours that you already do on top of that, in order to live and get by…then you ain’t on your ‘‘good money’’ after all, but it takes a lot to admit that you are a gullible idiot. :smiley:
I ain’t referring to, nor knocking those who genuinely have to because of circumstances not voluntarily caused by themselves either btw. :bulb:

I manage great on around 50 hours a week over 4 days (through choice) …yeh, ok, I know still more than those in ‘proper jobs’, but it suits me.
But then again I ain’t up to my ■■■■ in ‘‘hock’’, never never’', hp, credit, or ‘buy now pay later’ b/s.,…and I still have a good standard of living,.social life, holidays etc.

I learned a harsh lesson after going bust in a previous life. :bulb:

robroy:
The way to judge a job on whether or not it is in essence… ‘good money’ is not if in order to earn it means having to work as many hours as you legally (and physically) can, then add on all expenses and allowances to kid yourself…(then again kid yourself, and boast to who ever is unlucky enough to have to listen to ‘‘Aye it’s good money here at: ::::::::: transport’’ )

The way to do it is to consider how much your basic 40 hours pays, and judge whether or not you would theoretically be able to live on that amount as people in ‘‘proper jobs’’ as I call them do.

If you HAVE to work the ridiculous hours that you already do on top of that, in order to live and get by…then you ain’t on your ‘‘good money’’ after all, but it takes a lot to admit that you are a gullible idiot. :smiley:
I ain’t referring to, nor knocking those who genuinely have to because of circumstances not voluntarily caused by themselves either btw. :bulb:

I manage great on around 50 hours a week over 4 days (through choice) …yeh, ok, I know still more than those in ‘proper jobs’, but it suits me.
But then again I ain’t up to my ■■■■ in ‘‘hock’’, never never’', hp, credit, or ‘buy now pay later’ b/s.,…and I still have a good standard of living,.social life, holidays etc.

I learned a harsh lesson after going bust in a previous life. :bulb:

Since when has lorry driving been a 40 hr a week job rob , as for you manage great on 50 hrs a week , it wasn’t long ago you were the last driver out there on a sat night , and you do 50 hrs in 4 days but the rest of us should base our wages on 40 hrs
4x12.5 = 50 , 5x12 hrs = 60 , so your doing more hours a day than the bloke doing 60
Seems a case rob of don’t do as I do , do as I say

Rikki-UK:

dozy:
I disagree , I earnt £901 last week , 60 1/2 hrs running palls from depot to warehouses ,that days , the lads where I am on nights / tramping would be on over 1 k pw , and our pay I’d say is nothing special , average , the agency lads doing 5/6 , every hour god sends are well over 1 k pw ( I’ve seen it with my own eyes ) , I was always over 1k when on agency
We’ve suoermarket lads on here on 50 k

Is that on top or take home? if there’s is lads/lasses taking home £900 a week on supermarket work then I stand corrected, but I have never met one yet

mom- fri tramping , delivering to rdc/ cash & carrys , you can do it as i say , but i was maxing put hours , and was on a good hourly rate

My basic £14 ,I can earn 55k but thats only because Im working max hours 5/6 .There are cleaning jobs where I live for £12 an hour,so £14 is 16% more than that.So,in reality,Im only 16% better off than a cleaner

Doze mate if you’re going to have a pop,.try and not make a ■■■■ of yourself at the same time eh?..because it don’t have the same required impact. :bulb:

When and at what point did I say that driving has ever been a 40 hour week job? :unamused:
Mate, trust me,.I’ve done more 70+ hour weekly shifts, overly long days, done the cowboy vibe when I had my own trucks, been away from home in this country,.and been weekended abroad, more times than you have had Ginsters pies and cans of Lilt on a night out in a lay by. :smiley:

The point I was TRYING to make was not that everybody should work only 40 hours per week :unamused: , although it would be very nice, but to use that 40 hour basic rate as a basis for criteria, to judge whether or not you are on good money for the same hours as those with proper jobs.
Then do the required amount of well paid (or badly paid) overtime to suit…as I did !! :bulb: :bulb: :bulb: :bulb:

Hang on mate…
Give me a sec to finish banging my swede against this wall…
There ya go job done. :smiley:

As for ‘‘Don’t do as I do, do as I say’’…I wasn’t telling anybody wtf to do, I was merely telling you what I do. :bulb:

So…with me so far?

I looked at the 40 rate and decided between 5 and 10 hours extra on top would do me, and be enough to go on a Wed to Sat pattern to complete weekly the job that I do…and guess what?..Yep, those very few times I did not make it back on a Saturday in unforseen circumstances, still equated to no more than 50,…as my usual average is around 45 to 48ish.
Hang on…Bang bang…that’s better. :laughing:

As for your mathematical calculations?
My answer to that, (basically because I CBA) ,.would be a resounding…
‘‘Yeh, if you like mate’’. :neutral_face:

Hope that finally clarifies doze.
Cheers.
It’s been emotional. :smiley:

The bottom line is that the road transport industry in the UK operates in a free market economy and truck driving pays the exact amount required to get sufficient people to do the job.

dozy:
mom- fri tramping , delivering to rdc/ cash & carrys , you can do it as i say , but i was maxing put hours , and was on a good hourly rate

Dozy lad, please take the hourly rate you’ve been paid to earn that £1,364, multiply it by 35 hours and then share what you would have earned had you done what is considered a normal week’s graft for most occupations outside lorry driving.

Olog Hai:

dozy:
mom- fri tramping , delivering to rdc/ cash & carrys , you can do it as i say , but i was maxing put hours , and was on a good hourly rate

Dozy lad, please take the hourly rate you’ve been paid to earn that £1,364, multiply it by 35 hours and then share what you would have earned had you done what is considered a normal week’s graft for most occupations outside lorry driving.

Yeh but since when has lorry driving been a 35 hour week job ?
:wink: :laughing:

Olog Hai:

dozy:
mom- fri tramping , delivering to rdc/ cash & carrys , you can do it as i say , but i was maxing put hours , and was on a good hourly rate

Dozy lad, please take the hourly rate you’ve been paid to earn that £1,364, multiply it by 35 hours and then share what you would have earned had you done what is considered a normal week’s graft for most occupations outside lorry driving.

But as I keep saying , in all the time I’ve been driving , decades , I’ve only had one job that was 35 hrs pw apx , 35 hrs / 40 hrs is not the norm lorry driving , the same as to suggest everyone else works 40 hrs pw , the builder next door since Xmas is doing 7 days pw , joiner across road is , taxi driver is never at home , flt up road does 6/7 days a week / 12 hr shift , daughter ( nurse ) has done 3 nights ( 12 hrs ) , rest day , 2 long days ( 12 hrs ) , when I was in engineering you could do 7 days a week , 7 nights , there was no you have to have a weekly rest in engineering
It’s no dig at you but every lorry driver bar Me seems to be playing the victim card these days , it’s only us who does long hours
I’m sorry but it doesn’t wash with me , 70 hrs doing my job is a sight easier than 7 days carry breeze blocks , roof tiles etc
As for what I earnt it was just in response to ricki saying you couldn’t earn a grand in a week ( though I did think he meant gross / not net ) moving palls round the country