hanson:
waste of time just a money earning scam for someone
Judging by the posts on this forum about basic stuff you need to know to do the job such as drivers hours, its sorely needed.
After years of listening to some of the most unbelievable crap spouted by so called experienced drivers about stuff like drivers hours I’ve long thought something like the DCPC was needed. I see plenty posted on TNUK to support that opinion.
No i have not changed my mind ,said from the start “it’s just another tax” and still think it is …granted we all learn somthings from it but why is it not free ,reason imho is government bodies are being run to selfund and generate monnies.
hanson:
waste of time just a money earning scam for someone
Read this after i posted and 100% agree…
Conor:
hanson:
waste of time just a money earning scam for someoneJudging by the posts on this forum about basic stuff you need to know to do the job such as drivers hours, its sorely needed.
After years of listening to some of the most unbelievable crap spouted by so called experienced drivers about stuff like drivers hours I’ve long thought something like the DCPC was needed. I see plenty posted on TNUK to support that opinion.
Yes and much of that misinformed and false nonsense has come from drivers immidiately after receiving the information from their incompetent dcpc trainers who further compound confusion about a whole host of subjects but people take it as gospel as it comes from a trainer, so must be right. A friend of mine was even told by his dcpc training provider that it was true that Vosa will fine X amount of pounds for each turn of the winding handle if the trailer legs are not fully raised! and then proceeded to argue with me for the best part of a week that it must be true because of who told him.
I`ve done all of mine and think 99.9% us a waste of time but I did find it worrying how many drivers interpret the drivers hours rules and wed rules differently. One of our drivers is convinced that even if he has a 45 min break after 4.5 hrs driving he still has to have a 30 min break after 6 hrs of duty and nothing will convince him otherwise.
I personaly think its a waste of time and an insult to long term drivers, however i think that if you had been a long service driver you should have had to do the Taco, Hours ect and any new legislation and then given a bye on the rest. I went to one of the courses with two of my workers we were the only people on the course I have 40 plus yrs in the game the other two had 30 and 32 yrs respectivly ,the three of us sat with the tutor who by his own admission had 20 yrs less experience , the course oh did i mention it was about load security roping , sheeting and the like. Now all 4 of us came to the same conclusion that it was a F… waste of time and effort and we were paying for it ! Now im the first to admit that things have moved on with regard to digi cards ect and i found that part of the module informative and its good to keep abreast of such things and common sence in a professional way , but i know a good number who are packing it in , it being the straw that broke the camels back ,these are men who have worked in transport most of their lives and taken the good and bad times in equal measure . Remember this you can go on as many courses and get as many cards and qualifications on paper as you want , if your a tos, to start with 9 times out of 10 you,ll still be a tos… when you finish and we have all met them paper clever but give them something a bit off the scale and … ! These men who are leaving the industry take with them a wealth of experience in all aspects of the industry and when they have left who is going to teach the newcomers the quirks of the job and by the very nature of it there are plenty. Its an insult to the intelligence of any driver with any experience of transport and a scandle to those who still work and those who have gone before !
[quoteMy view on the DCPC is its needed but I think it could be a lot better, for one thing I would do is make it a test like the theory test and do it ever 2 years have a medical as well and a more stringent eye test. And every 5 years you have to have a driving retest and of coures paid for buy your employer.
New drivers coming into the industry would have two do at least 40 hours on road experience before a test]
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every 2 years? think thats a bit harsh to be honest and 40 hours on road expierience? who would pick up the tab for that it already costs more than most people can afford to sit the tests.
Needs a big rethink. This time last year, I had driven nothing professionally other than the odd run out in a van.
Got a job driving 7.5s, having already decided to go for my class 2 (14 hours CPC) having been bitten by the bug, I put in for my class 1 (14 more)
So I thought I’d nail up the last 7 hours out of my own pocket.
7 hours in a room with a variety of drivers. Milk drivers won’t wear seat belts, MAN means Mean and Nasty, IVECO means It Vibrates Everything Comes Off. If you pull a certain fuse you can run bent, but you’ll lose brake lights. Ate about a fivers worth of biscuits, and had about 10 coffees.
So I’m now on paper, a class 1 driver with as much required experience “on paper” as a guy who’s been doing it since the year dot.
Cost me £60. So it was worth it to me.
Did I learn anything. What do you think?
I think it’s just another money making scheme from a pen pusher my boss has booked us for it this year 35 hours over 5 Saturdays throughout the year, I’ve been driving Nearly 8 years now and at 26 wouldn’t class my self a newbie but certainly wouldn’t say I know it all and to be honest I’m sure ill learn something out off it and could make me a better driver in some way so I understand the need to so it for people like myself(that’s if we actually do learn much) but as for the likes off my boss who has been driving near on 30 years and runs the company I’m not sure what he can be taught maybe a lesson or 2 sure but 35 hours off it really? I think it’s a good thing for people my age with only 8 years under there belt but I feel for the old hats who have been earning a living long before I was even born.
It’s just flawed from the fact that it isn’t possible for someone whose job is a full-time trainer to train people in jobs they’ve been doing years. I suspect, in many cases, trainers will simply resort to areas they establish their class on that day no little about in order to establish their own credibility. Inevitably the reason the class will have little knowledge of that area will simply be because it is irrelevant to their job.
If a driver needs training in load security, for his job, he needs that training from a suitably experience co-worker or manager before getting behind the wheel that day not via a chinwag over coffee and biscuits in a portakabin in six months time from someone who’s never secured the load he’s required to.
We have asked our boss to pay for one of more experienced drivers to become a JAUPUT driver trainer.
That way he can tag along with another driver for the day, iron out any bad habits or problems and we can get trained blokes with minimum fuss and expense.
I can’t say it was an original idea, Montgomeries had a driver trainer when I worked there in '94 but that was just to save on insurance in those days…
W
AlexWignall:
We have asked our boss to pay for one of more experienced drivers to become a JAUPUT driver trainer.
You still need that trainer to be part of a JAUPT approved centre so either your company will need that or that trainer will need to be under the umbrella of an already approved centre
Going to be costly either way …
ROG:
AlexWignall:
We have asked our boss to pay for one of more experienced drivers to become a JAUPUT driver trainer.You still need that trainer to be part of a JAUPT approved centre so either your company will need that or that trainer will need to be under the umbrella of an already approved centre
Going to be costly either way …
Actually ROG, the driver in question was given a very reasonable quote from a school that would act as an umbrella but becoming a training centre would be much better value.
If we can save the firm 0.5 mpg across the fleet and iron out any issues the lads with hours or load security the training costs are marginal.
W
AlexWignall:
ROG:
AlexWignall:
We have asked our boss to pay for one of more experienced drivers to become a JAUPUT driver trainer.You still need that trainer to be part of a JAUPT approved centre so either your company will need that or that trainer will need to be under the umbrella of an already approved centre
Going to be costly either way …
Actually ROG, the driver in question was given a very reasonable quote from a school that would act as an umbrella but becoming a training centre would be much better value.
If we can save the firm 0.5 mpg across the fleet and iron out any issues the lads have with hours or load security the training costs are marginal.Other posters on this thread have already mentioned practical training, seems like an obvious thing to do to me…
W
limeyphil:
'…I was wondering who might have changed their mind … Dcpc … most were dead against it…
No change: It remains an expensive federal tactic to homogenise an entire geograhical region by dictatorial administrators regardless of national sensibilities.
Love Europe but stuff the EU. 
Happy Keith:
No change: It remains an expensive federal tactic to homogenise an entire geograhical region by dictatorial administrators regardless of national sensibilities.
So it’s all about the black helicopters and tinfoil hats?
Is it ■■■■■■■■. It’s an exercise in raising revenues, not regional subjugation. If you want to drive a truck - not the best of jobs but certainly not the worst - you get to pay an employment tax. Like a whole load of other employees in a whole load of other jobs. And while the DCPC is in many ways laughable, so too are many of the assertions made on this website, suggesting that some people entrusted with big trucks have only a small understanding as to how to do the job.
The Skegness Samurai has in his own inimitable way demonstrated just how ■■■■ witted the approach to this tax has been on the part of some drivers. If you want to go fishing, buy a fishing rod. If you want to drive a truck, buy a DCPC. If you don’t, don’t. As decision trees go, this one ain’t convoluted.
Personally I think its a missed opportunity.
Having made additional training compulsory the government has shied away from ensuring that we are actually given some useful practical training and turned it into a paperwork exercise where a person with no real world experience if the job can provide training on subjects they have no in depth knowledge of.
A real shame as it could have been chance for drivers to gain some quality training that would have given us some standing as skilled professionals.
I have already got my blue card for 2014-2019 and in truth for a 40 something in this current economic climate I don’t really have a choice. Luckily it was funded by my company.
Cheers
Neilf
neilf:
A real shame as it could have been chance for drivers to gain some quality training that would have given us some standing as skilled professionals.
Standing with who? We’ll still be doing the same job in 2015 that we were in 2010 or others may have been doing in 1990 or 1970, we’re no more or less qualified and able at the actual physical job and a plastic card isn’t going to change that and add any sort of value to our unchanged work. A truck driver is a truck driver, wether he can’t add up 2+2 or he’s got a masters degree. All any one is bothered about is that a load is taken from A to B without incident. I still reckon that this whole excercise in selling one back ones own credentials. Its no better than paying protection money to the mafia every five years so they allow you to continue working on their patch and its no different than a corrupt third world police officer in Russia or Morocco taking your passport and demanding payment for it back so you can carry on as you were.
you;ve all heard this
old duffer to new driver
i was in Baghdad before you were in your dads bags
and
i’ve forgotton more than you know
and thats the whole point of the drivers CPC
Quinny:
Transc:
he was a gym instructor and was doing the guy running the course a favour by taking the class and had no clue whatsoever about trucks or transport!!!
And I’m sure your local DCPC governing body would be keen to hear that.
Ken.
that and about a million transport clerks and managers who are just as bad
