The other day at a tight left hand corner both lanes go to left so i straddle both sitting at lights. A corsa then mounts the kerb on my nearside and sits beside me! half on the road half on the kerb - i was almost ■■■■■■■ myself laughing when turning and watching this idiot. Tight roundabouts you get people beeping their horns at you when you straddle - maybe they want squished?
I agree with the OP white lines, road markings - roads themselves especially some new ones seem to have been designed by stupid people.
ROG:
When planning the road markings they do not plan for large vehicle use - it is deemed that drivers of large vehicles will adapt and use what is necessary - that’s why it says in the highway code that large vehicles may take a different line when negotiating hazards.
They plan for the numpties but leave the pros to make their own decisions
And unfortunately the modern driver is not taught that by the car instructors, or doesn’t appear to be, so it is the reason for the increase in coffeebean greetings. they do not understand the markings.
And who has decided that every road needs double white lines for 20 miles whether or not there is a bend, hazard, hill or dip?
This is true in fact is some cases they are taught to obstruct trucks, my freinds wife has been learning to drive, but as he a truck driver she been out in the truck with him and knows that trucks need a bit more room, but when she was learning to drive her instructor told her off when she waited the other side of a bend for the truck to come round as it’s one of those that the an artic needs both lanes. (Coltishall, next to the petrol station if any body knows it) There were a couple of other instances where she held back for a truck and her instructors attitude was that she make the truck wait or force the driver over to the side.
They are obviously taught to carve up HGV’s, just drive one round the Norwich Ring Road.
Other features of driving in Norfolk are, you can cross double white lines and exceed speed limits to overtake HGV’s. You are entitled to be in front of evryone else, no matter what it takes. Even overtaking two HGV’s on a left hand bend in rain.
You have the right to enter roundabouts in front of HGV’s and make them stop for you.
You signed the official secrets act and must never indicate your intentions.
JoeG:
Pass plus, in the car on the way back he said about the pass plus and he would do it cheaper.
It wouldnt have saved much from my insurance(not as much as what the course would cost, saved more if i went with Direct Line because they give discount if another member of the family is in it), and i had drove at night, in rain, sun, and also in snow/iced over roads and my dad would take me on the motorway so i left it.
Also the fact it only lasts a year (or so i was told) because it doesnt count after that and i wouldnt get a car in the year.
I am, however, up for furthering my driving development. Although now sure how far to go, and it would probably have to wait untill ive been driving a car for a while.
… and when did Dad last have a motorway driving lesson or assessment?
Anyway back on topic - It’s good to see those sections from the highway code ROG, thanks.
I’d like to see some stickers quoting those sections on the back of trailers (like the buses have/had) instead of - Can you see my mirrors . . blah blah. .
So yes, the road markings have changed for the worse but I now know I am right to straddle the lanes and the more trucks that do this the more people would realise that they need to keep their distance and give us room.
Because the chances of anything in this industry changing to suit the drivers. . well. . slim, perhaps?
JoeG:
Pass plus, in the car on the way back he said about the pass plus and he would do it cheaper.
It wouldnt have saved much from my insurance(not as much as what the course would cost, saved more if i went with Direct Line because they give discount if another member of the family is in it), and i had drove at night, in rain, sun, and also in snow/iced over roads and my dad would take me on the motorway so i left it.
Also the fact it only lasts a year (or so i was told) because it doesnt count after that and i wouldnt get a car in the year.
I am, however, up for furthering my driving development. Although now sure how far to go, and it would probably have to wait untill ive been driving a car for a while.
… and when did Dad last have a motorway driving lesson or assessment?
When he started his ‘new’ job a few years back actually.
Which was alot sooner then when my instructor last had one?
What I’m getting at is that it was quite possible your Dad or any other mature driver could have 30 years of motorway driving experience, but have never had their driving assessed during that time or ever (in the case of a non LGV holder) had a m/way lesson. For instance, during that time period we have progressed in normal driving from changing down through the gears on approach to hazards and junctions to assist braking, to the more modern mantra of “gears are for going, brakes are for slowing.”
30 years is a lot of time over which to pick up unchecked bad habits.
However, although this can apply to many, you mention your Dad had fairly recently had an assessment. Fair enough.
Regarding the Instructor & whether or not he chooses to do any Continued Professional Development. For instance, if he were to take a 3 yearly RoSPA retest, his driving (inc. m/way) would be looked at every 3 years.
As for your own driving, as you thought you had nothing to gain from PassPlus, i definately recommend doing the RoSPA (or any advanced) course. If you have an interest in driving, and it sounds like you do, you will enjoy it & learn quite a bit that may just one day save your life.
Driveroneuk:
i definately recommend doing the RoSPA (or any advanced) course.
Don’t look at me Joe, I’ve said nowt - this member must have a crystal ball !!
Or he also has the view of progressing and going onto a higher level of teaching?
Driveroneuk:
Joe, you seemed to have missed the point.
What I’m getting at is that it was quite possible your Dad or any other mature driver could have 30 years of motorway driving experience, but have never had their driving assessed during that time or ever (in the case of a non LGV holder) had a m/way lesson. For instance, during that time period we have progressed in normal driving from changing down through the gears on approach to hazards and junctions to assist braking, to the more modern mantra of “gears are for going, brakes are for slowing.”
30 years is a lot of time over which to pick up unchecked bad habits.
However, although this can apply to many, you mention your Dad had fairly recently had an assessment. Fair enough.
Regarding the Instructor & whether or not he chooses to do any Continued Professional Development. For instance, if he were to take a 3 yearly RoSPA retest, his driving (inc. m/way) would be looked at every 3 years.
As for your own driving, as you thought you had nothing to gain from PassPlus, i definately recommend doing the RoSPA (or any advanced) course. If you have an interest in driving, and it sounds like you do, you will enjoy it & learn quite a bit that may just one day save your life.
Ive not really missed any point have i? You asked when my dad had last been assesed to which i replied.
Your right, driving has changed, and infact my mum changes down through the gears whilst braking, my dad however is completely different.
Although, my view is if hes taking me on the motorway, he has never made comments or changed how my brothers have driven the car besides telling them things which they dont/havent done which they need to do. So not really too sure what you mean when you say change the driving, besides teach how to drive on the motorway and what to do. Surely if you have passed your test you can accelerate your car, brake, when to change gear etc. Although this might not be right for some people.
He has got bad habbits, and infact his company sends out an assessor with the drivers every so often. Apparently his bad habbits are driving one handed too much.
What did i have to gain from pass plus? Ive driven on most road conditions?
Ive already spoken to ROG about advanced driver training, which i shall do when ive got a car
But then you being a lorry driver you will just use the size of your vehicle to prove you are bigger and better
I hope that was tongue in cheek
However there can sometimes be a fine line between using the weight & size of the vehicle to “bully” other (smaller) road users and using it to command control of the road, sometimes legitimately necessary.
But then you being a lorry driver you will just use the size of your vehicle to prove you are bigger and better
I hope that was tongue in cheek
However there can sometimes be a fine line between using the weight & size of the vehicle to “bully” other (smaller) road users and using it to command control of the road, sometimes legitimately necessary.
Do the former on an LGV test = fail.
Do the latter = Pass
You need to relax abit more, not take things so serious
that signs on the back of every truck in Australia, and its actually a legal instruction, if a car undertakes you when youre hooking left they can be done for it, if they walk away from it that is
