Tuckert92:
A few of the drivers at my place including myself have fell out with management after a heated discussion yesterday, apparently we need to be working more hours (day work), we are contracted to 45 paid hours per week in which we all are averaging between 45 and 50 per week over the 17 weeks for WTD as none of us have chosen to opt out, management are frustrated because deliveries are being brought back because we have all stuck together now to adhere to our contracted hours but they are saying we need to do more hours. Myself and another driver have made the point yesterday that as we are not being paid overtime we will not work extra hours to then be told we should find ourselves another job, safe to say I have said I’m having the rest of the week off whilst I find other work, are we right in standing our ground against management?
If you’re only paid for 45 hours per week then you obviously don’t want to be averaging more than 45 hours per week on a swings and roundabouts basis.If they want more hours then they’ll have to increase the contracted hours and the weekly wage pro rata.If they won’t pay the pro rata wage increase then don’t give them any increase in average hours.While if they want more than 12 hours in a shift tell them no that’s an unreasonable change in terms and conditions.Sorted.
The downside is that you’ll need a strong union ethic and/or other drivers who agree with that to make it stick though.
On that note it sounds like a typical zb multi drop job ? so no loss to walk away from.In which case I’d have done exactly he same thing.But having said that I’d have second thoughts if it’s just a few drops bulk deliveries type job that’s getting bogged down with a lot of waiting time.In that case the grass probably isn’t greener and all that.
Update; tonight me and another driver have left, other driver going back on agency and I have managed to secure a start on Monday on the bins, I had only put up with it for so long due to the fact with me being a new pass I had to put experience behind me before I jumped ship.
Tuckert92:
A few of the drivers at my place including myself have fell out with management after a heated discussion yesterday, apparently we need to be working more hours (day work), we are contracted to 45 paid hours per week in which we all are averaging between 45 and 50 per week over the 17 weeks for WTD as none of us have chosen to opt out, management are frustrated because deliveries are being brought back because we have all stuck together now to adhere to our contracted hours but they are saying we need to do more hours. Myself and another driver have made the point yesterday that as we are not being paid overtime we will not work extra hours to then be told we should find ourselves another job, safe to say I have said I’m having the rest of the week off whilst I find other work, are we right in standing our ground against management?
If I was in this situation then the ‘find yourself another job’ line from the boss would have pushed the situation well over the line. Do everything by the book and stand your ground. In particular, if the firm had said that and will not pay overtime then there is no way that I would be doing a second of it. They would find even more loads being brought back.
The caveat to all this is that such a situation will inevitably end with you leaving, one way or another. Whether you choose to let the nice people at DVSA know what’s being going on after you depart is something only you can decide, but if you intend to, then get all of the company’s requests and instructions in writing.
Edit: I see you are in Stoke. Would this be a company in Crewe?
DonutUK:
Providing you’ve got duty time left (out of your 15/13 hours) and the van is out of scope for EU regs, then the fact that you have maxed your EU driving hours for the day is irrelevant!
Correct me if I’m wrong, but if you’re driving a van, isn’t the maximum duty time 11 hours, and the driving limit still 10 hours per day? Also, any time driving the van will still count towards any EU hours calculations?
Tuckert92:
Update; tonight me and another driver have left, other driver going back on agency and I have managed to secure a start on Monday on the bins, I had only put up with it for so long due to the fact with me being a new pass I had to put experience behind me before I jumped ship.
Well done for standing up for yourself! Too many are frit in this game
Tuckert92:
Update; tonight me and another driver have left, other driver going back on agency and I have managed to secure a start on Monday on the bins, I had only put up with it for so long due to the fact with me being a new pass I had to put experience behind me before I jumped ship.
So who are the scoundrels? Don’t let somebody else go through the same bull…
One to the boss putting in my notice. Most agency drivers can bring home a fortnight what you earn in a month.
The other would be addressed to the Office of the Traffic Commissioner. I wouldn’t send it, I’d just cc the boss in and hope he squirmed waiting for an inspection which never came.
The company isn’t in Crewe it is in stoke but for reasons I can’t go into I can’t name them for now, as much as id like to i cant unfortunately, but I’m over the moon with landing a new job already especially seeing the wages double!
nsmith1180:
Id be using my time off to write two letters.
One to the boss putting in my notice. Most agency drivers can bring home a fortnight what you earn in a month.
The other would be addressed to the Office of the Traffic Commissioner. I wouldn’t send it, I’d just cc the boss in and hope he squirmed waiting for an inspection which never came.
And why not send it?
If the company’s investigated and all the allegations are false (sorry but gotta say that) then no great harm?
If the company’s half as bad as said, then shouldn’t new passes who they may be scouting for be protected? Shouldn’t the companies they’re undercutting (they’ve too much work and pay poorly) be protected? Are they not driving good employers out of business?
Am I talking about “grassing someone up”?
Well if pointing out that taking work from drivers and refusing to pay for it is wrong, then yeah, I’d be a grass.
nsmith1180:
Id be using my time off to write two letters.
One to the boss putting in my notice. Most agency drivers can bring home a fortnight what you earn in a month.
The other would be addressed to the Office of the Traffic Commissioner. I wouldn’t send it, I’d just cc the boss in and hope he squirmed waiting for an inspection which never came.
And why not send it?
If the company’s investigated and all the allegations are false (sorry but gotta say that) then no great harm?
If the company’s half as bad as said, then shouldn’t new passes who they may be scouting for be protected? Shouldn’t the companies they’re undercutting (they’ve too much work and pay poorly) be protected? Are they not driving good employers out of business?
Am I talking about “grassing someone up”?
Well if pointing out that taking work from drivers and refusing to pay for it is wrong, then yeah, I’d be a grass.
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Ok, perhaps a bit more honesty then.
I would send it, with bells on, because the OPs current bosses are bellends of the highest order.
I just didn’t say it because I didn’t want the main point of the discussion to lost in a battle of Grass vs Brown nose. But as the battlefield was laid up by you… Find me a mast, I’ve got colours to nail to it!
nsmith1180:
Id be using my time off to write two letters.
One to the boss putting in my notice. Most agency drivers can bring home a fortnight what you earn in a month.
The other would be addressed to the Office of the Traffic Commissioner. I wouldn’t send it, I’d just cc the boss in and hope he squirmed waiting for an inspection which never came.
And why not send it?
If the company’s investigated and all the allegations are false (sorry but gotta say that) then no great harm?
If the company’s half as bad as said, then shouldn’t new passes who they may be scouting for be protected? Shouldn’t the companies they’re undercutting (they’ve too much work and pay poorly) be protected? Are they not driving good employers out of business?
Am I talking about “grassing someone up”?
Well if pointing out that taking work from drivers and refusing to pay for it is wrong, then yeah, I’d be a grass.
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Ok, perhaps a bit more honesty then.
I would send it, with bells on, because the OPs current bosses are bellends of the highest order.
I just didn’t say it because I didn’t want the main point of the discussion to lost in a battle of Grass vs Brown nose. But as the battlefield was laid up by you… Find me a mast, I’ve got colours to nail to it!
Can’t we sail under the same flag?
Shipmate?
Writing a letter to VOSA about a driver who has been over his hours, or been pressured by an employer, etc isn’t what we’re talking about here is it?
(We agree that we’re taking the OP at his word?)
We’re talking about an apparently unscrupulous company who deserve a thorough investigation.
It seems not to be a company playing the old game of a bit of extra work “off the card” with knowledgeable experienced hands who’ve got their eyes open and want a few quid on top of a good wage. It’s far from that.
I can see that a legitimate business would suffer from an investigation from a malicious complaint, but this appears not to be that.
Borrow that hammer?
DonutUK:
Providing you’ve got duty time left (out of your 15/13 hours) and the van is out of scope for EU regs, then the fact that you have maxed your EU driving hours for the day is irrelevant!
Correct me if I’m wrong, but if you’re driving a van, isn’t the maximum duty time 11 hours, and the driving limit still 10 hours per day? Also, any time driving the van will still count towards any EU hours calculations?
We run a mixed fleet and that’s my understanding. If he’s done ten hours driving, he can do no more as he is unerring EU regs irrespective of what the vehicle is.
Tuckert92:
Multi drop class 2 work, 300 to 400 mile per day with 10-15 drops, pay is average for the area, take home 1300 per month, dealing with management who think they know the laws BUT when you provide them with facts they soon go quiet, good example is that they asked us this week not to put our cards in until the second we leave as the time spent doing vehicle checks, checking the load and strapping down and also filling in all paperwork such as vehicle checksheets and sorting our runs in an order that’s doable is time that doesn’t need to be recorded on tacho so it gives more time to do deliveries. And also getting back after a 10 hour drive and being asked to just nip out to somewhere like Liverpool in a van because they forgot to send something out. That’s the kind of firm it is lol great for a new pass to get experience until they grow wise to what else is out there.
300-400 miles in a shift x 5 would take around 45 hours per week doing just trailer swap trunking with no waiting time.So obviously no chance combined with multi drop.IE the figures don’t work and a few simple questions at the recruitment stage could have sorted that out.
Tuckert92:
Multi drop class 2 work, 300 to 400 mile per day with 10-15 drops, pay is average for the area, take home 1300 per month, dealing with management who think they know the laws BUT when you provide them with facts they soon go quiet, good example is that they asked us this week not to put our cards in until the second we leave as the time spent doing vehicle checks, checking the load and strapping down and also filling in all paperwork such as vehicle checksheets and sorting our runs in an order that’s doable is time that doesn’t need to be recorded on tacho so it gives more time to do deliveries. And also getting back after a 10 hour drive and being asked to just nip out to somewhere like Liverpool in a van because they forgot to send something out. That’s the kind of firm it is lol great for a new pass to get experience until they grow wise to what else is out there.
300-400 miles in a shift x 5 would take around 45 hours per week doing just trailer swap trunking with no waiting time.So obviously no chance combined with multi drop.IE the figures don’t work and a few simple questions at the recruitment stage could have sorted that out.
You’re assuming experience and knowledge on the part of any applicant there and honesty on the part of the management. Big ask!!!
based in the Stoke area.