ROG:
I thought SAFETY always came first - no matter what
Your point Rog ?
26 years an Lgv Trainer:
ROG:
I thought SAFETY always came first - no matter whatYour point Rog ?
I noticed that you put LEGAL before SAFETY - perhaps I read it wrong
ROG:
26 years an Lgv Trainer:
ROG:
I thought SAFETY always came first - no matter whatYour point Rog ?
I noticed that you put LEGAL before SAFETY - perhaps I read it wrong
The point bieng made was if everyone drove legally it would be safe ?
Educating people is what is needed.
The other point was the learner has to follow these rules to pass the test as you well know.
Now now girls lets keep it civil 
, you are both correct, there is no wrong answer really, you can pick faults witht both points, you have to make the call on the day.
According to The plod 
‘legally’ ALWAYS comes first …But…there is always a but.
Test driving and Real Life driving are very different.
I agree, but if a learner driver is being taught wrongly in the first place, they believe their way is the correct way for the rest of their driving career.
However shortlived that may be 
Wheel Nut:
Test driving and Real Life driving are very different.
I agree, But if a learner driver is being taught wrongly in the first place, They believe their way is the correct way for the rest of their driving career.
However shortlived that may be
Learners are taught wrongly now ?
They are taught as per highway code.
Lets all correct spelling errors shall we ?
Wheel Nut:
All it takes is for one or more vehicles to ease off for a second or two and let another vehicle merge.
I don’t understand why the law is being discussed here. While it does state that traffic on the slip road must give way, doing the above isn’t actually illegal so I don’t understand the problem 
26 years an Lgv Trainer:
But ?Motorway slip roads are clearly marked, those joining motorway should Give Way Stop if neccasary.
The advanced driving you talk about is not road traffic law.
We all know what your saying. but the laws dictates what we should or should not do.
Really? What if they jump in lane one infront of you doing 40 mph and you are doing 56mph. What happens then, in law just whilst your quoting it?
26 years an Lgv Trainer:
Wheel Nut:
Test driving and Real Life driving are very different.
I agree, But if a learner driver is being taught wrongly in the first place, They believe their way is the correct way for the rest of their driving career.
However shortlived that may be
Learners are taught wrongly now ?
They are taught as per highway code.
Lets all correct spelling errors shall we ?
Joining the motorway. When you join the motorway you will normally approach it from a road on the left (a slip road) or from an adjoining motorway. You should
1 give priority to traffic already on the motorway
2 check the traffic on the motorway and match your speed to fit safely into the traffic flow in the left-hand lane
3 not cross solid white lines that separate lanes or use the hard shoulder
stay on the slip road if it continues as an extra lane on the motorway4 remain in the left-hand lane long enough to adjust to the speed of traffic before considering overtaking
That is your quote from the highway code which, as we all know is only a guide.
I cant see here where it says; STOP!
I can however see where it says (a road on the left) (a slip road) (or from an adjoining motorway.) but then it would be illegal to stop on a motorway to join a motorway. Wouldn’t it?
Maybe it is written in the Roadcraft manual that they use to train police drivers. Unfortunately my copy is not here but I did find these snippets and will thank the High Performance Club in advance.
The driver will accurately judge speed and position when joining motorways and dual carriageways, maintaining forward space in order to join the flow of traffic safely and seamlessly without causing inconvenience to other road users.
Followed by this.
Motorways and other multi-lane roads present additional hazards with typically high traffic density moving at high average speeds. The HPC driver should be constantly aware of the knock-on effect that the actions of a driver in one lane can have on traffic in other lanes, adopting a questioning attitude to variations in traffic speed, and always maintaining a safety zone around the vehicle. The driver should understand the importance of managing concentration levels according to the conditions, and the effects of tiredness creeping in.
In fact, there is some good stuff in here, with some history of how the High Performance Club was formed.
http://www.hpc.org.uk/index.html
I agree, but if a learner driver is being taught wrongly in the first place, they believe their way is the correct way for the rest of their driving career.
However shortlived that may be
I have also re-corrected your re-correction as the little dots are commas and I found this amazing site here.
Glad to see that your doing some research
Give way … This means as it reads Give way … so if you can not give way because traffic is on your right and can not move over then you have to STOP.
As the highway code states give way to the right.
As for roadcraft and all these other High Performance Club’s you mention.
They will not get a learner through a driving test.
26 years an Lgv Trainer:
As for roadcraft and all these other High Performance Club’s you mention.They will not get a learner through a driving test.
Caution: L Drivers & ADIs
Some methods included for Advanced Driving are NOT appropriate for the Driving Standards Agency learner test and the DSA Driving Instructors’ test as new drivers have yet to gain the experience to safely vary basic rules.
Examples:
Positioning for left bends
Unnecessary signals*
Straightening roundabouts
Entering cross-hatching
Parking alternative
Use of them on these tests would probably result in “driving faults”
* Signalling before Passing Stationary or Slow Obstructions
Should you advise signalling before passing parked vehicles, bicycles pedestrians & horses?
Generally not, IF:
able to take an early position
to allow following traffic a view of the obstruction
However, if you may have hidden the problem by approaching a bend or brow of a hill
or by driving a large vehicle or towing a caravan
a signal would be useful to others
This approach is acceptable on L & ADI tests
I know of some who have passed the DSA test in LGVs by using the Roadcraft method but have included the DSA procedures.
ROG:
I know of some who have passed the DSA test in LGVs by using the Roadcraft method but have included the DSA procedures.
Me for one.
Only just found this thread - except for very slow/stopped motorway traffic I have never had to stop at the end of a slip road. I would certainly consider it dangerous to do so both from the view of getting up to speed on the motorway and the risk of being rear-ended whilst stopped. But, if there really is no other option then you should stop. The root cause of the problem is that the vast majority of vehicles on motorways are too close - if they all left a safe gap it would be easier for them to ease off slightly and allow traffic to join.
You can’t legislate for situations which are already contrary to the rules or advice (which is what the HC is) and drivers need to be educated to think about what is happening and what they are doing about it. The DSA test does not do this; it tests a very basic standard of vehicle control and road safety.
Coming back to the original question, you could consider whether or not you should overtake approaching an on-slip. Take into account the density of the traffic and the chances of heavy traffic trying to join the motorway. By holding back you may give more vehicles (LGVs in particular) a better chance of joining. It could delay you for a minute or so, but the delays if there were to be a collision would be much more.
My research leads me to believe that stopping on a slip road is neither legal or safe.
Highway Code Rule 270
You MUST NOT stop on the carriageway, hard shoulder, slip road, central reservation or verge except in an emergency, or when told to do so by the police, HA traffic officers in uniform, an emergency sign or by flashing red light signals. Do not stop on the hard shoulder to either make or receive mobile phone calls.
or when joining a motorway from another motorway you may come across this sign:
Motorway regulations still apply. No stopping or pedestrians.
But then another snippet of information suggests this, 
Extremely heavy traffic or poor planning may cause you to stop in the acceleration lane.
So really if you have to stop, it is down to the 6 P’s
Would your thinking go so far as to suggest when rejoining the motorway from the hard shoulder after a breakdown, you.
- Pull directly out into lane one from a standing start?
or- Build up speed on the hard shoulder so that you can merge safely?