I’m easily pleased. All I want is the same truck every day. None of this cab hopping rubbish. Everything all legal and above board. No early starts and home every night.
sayersy:
Conor:
sayersy:
There is a bizarre tendency on this forum for moronic trolls to ridicule people that CHOOSE to work for less money than them. Somewhere on here somebody said they turned down a job with my employer because they only pay £7.99 per hour. /quote]Because whilst drivers accept that it leads to wage deflation. Yes you may get £12/hr overtime but that is only £1/hr more than I earn for my flat rate. Government owned trust does not guarantee job security. 100,000s of people working in the civil service thought their jobs were OK until the govt handed out redundancy notices like confetti in 2008-11. The company I’m working at has above average holidays, profit share, good pensions, pay for doing DCPC, have 40hrs on the sick, are just about to renew the entire fleet (100+ units and over 600 trailers) as well and have office staff who respect the drivers decisions and they pay a lot more than £7.99/hr.
£7.99/hr is a joke in the current climate even with all of the above you say you get.
Is the company you work for an own account operator, or a haulage operation? If it’s haulage is it specialist work? It sounds to me that you’re VERY lucky in that you have a VERY good job…but is the exception rather than the rule. £7.99 may be considerably less than you get, but it is far from a joke…in fact, it is above average for general haulage in this area.
There is nothing bizarre about expecting to be paid a decent wage for doing a good job efficiently.
£7.99 is far from a joke, but only if you’re 15 and doing a paper round.
Too many drivers are sucked in by the other ‘benefits’ of the job. Being happy at work is the only valid point in your post.
This is worth something. However, night out money at £27 is only 3 quid an hour on a 9 hours off, the ‘better than average holiday’ is meaningless unless you mean you get a couple of months a year off over and above. A couple of days here and there are nowt - they’re worth less than £100/day.
If you really believe that working for a Government Owed Trust means your job is safe then good luck to you in Cloud Cuckoo Land! 
B1 GGK:
Its all about the individual, I would rather earn less and have a good amount of time at home than earn more and be at work all week.
I earn [zb] money, but am happy doing that at the moment as I am fortunate to have zero debt, other folk will chase the ££ to pay the mortgage/kids/car etc.
100% agree with this, and my situation is very similar! For me the people I work with make a difference too. The social side of the workplace. Much better for me to be in an environment where I get on and have a laugh with my workmates than in some sterile environment full of backstabbing ladder climbers! 
£7.99 although a bit on the low side doesn’t mean anything without O/T rate considered as well & other benefits.
So sayersay what your average weekly take home ■■
Based on your opening post I would say your on a good number but the weekly take home pay will confirm it I’m guessing close to £600 ish per week…
Hourly rate is vanity, weekly take home is sanity… 
Sir LANs-a-lot:
100% agree with this, and my situation is very similar! For me the people I work with make a difference too. The social side of the workplace. Much better for me to be in an environment where I get on and have a laugh with my workmates than in some sterile environment full of backstabbing ladder climbers!
Yep a good crack with colleagues is priceless, in any job it doesn’t take long to figure out the squealers and gaffers pets and those who you can have a good laugh with and make the job run smoother.
I have little time for moaners and whingers who want to ■■■■ the life out the job and try and drag me down to their level.
Course taking the ■■■■ out the management is a given…
B1 GGK:
Its all about the individual, I would rather earn less and have a good amount of time at home than earn more and be at work all week.
I earn [zb] money, but am happy doing that at the moment as I am fortunate to have zero debt, other folk will chase the ££ to pay the mortgage/kids/car etc.
This. ^^^^
I’ve recently changed jobs and after making the decision to leave my previous employer the only question was what did I want from my new job. I now work 4 on 4 off so get over half the year away from work, I mostly drive the same vehicle and trailer (14 plate Scania, fresh off the production line trailer). Taken a while to get into the swing but finally cracked it after about 6 weeks and enjoying the job so much more. Don’t get loads of phone calls, get on with most of the people I work alongside and get home to eat with my wife every evening. Took a small drop in income during the probationary period as this was a temp to permanent arrangement but will be back at my previous wage level once on the permanent pay rate.
The other thing is my new employer (once permanent) is a smaller independant compnay and not the huge generic, bs driven, international, houshold name (some staff use the company name as a profanity) company where you give up all right to a individual opinion or thought.
The main thing was at 57 years of age I’ve come to terms with it is now just a job. I don’t aspire, or profess, to be the best in the world I do my best on any given day and try hard not to get stressed by things that I can’t affect.
My job is great bonus twice a year 25 days hols nights out paid for by the company on a regular basis £8:46 a hour plus over time I’m happy and doubt I’ll be looking to change at all any time soon
Truckulent:
sayersy:
Conor:
sayersy:
There is a bizarre tendency on this forum for moronic trolls to ridicule people that CHOOSE to work for less money than them. Somewhere on here somebody said they turned down a job with my employer because they only pay £7.99 per hour. /quote]Because whilst drivers accept that it leads to wage deflation. Yes you may get £12/hr overtime but that is only £1/hr more than I earn for my flat rate. Government owned trust does not guarantee job security. 100,000s of people working in the civil service thought their jobs were OK until the govt handed out redundancy notices like confetti in 2008-11. The company I’m working at has above average holidays, profit share, good pensions, pay for doing DCPC, have 40hrs on the sick, are just about to renew the entire fleet (100+ units and over 600 trailers) as well and have office staff who respect the drivers decisions and they pay a lot more than £7.99/hr.
£7.99/hr is a joke in the current climate even with all of the above you say you get.
Is the company you work for an own account operator, or a haulage operation? If it’s haulage is it specialist work? It sounds to me that you’re VERY lucky in that you have a VERY good job…but is the exception rather than the rule. £7.99 may be considerably less than you get, but it is far from a joke…in fact, it is above average for general haulage in this area.
There is nothing bizarre about expecting to be paid a decent wage for doing a good job efficiently.
£7.99 is far from a joke, but only if you’re 15 and doing a paper round.
Too many drivers are sucked in by the other ‘benefits’ of the job. Being happy at work is the only valid point in your post.
This is worth something. However, night out money at £27 is only 3 quid an hour on a 9 hours off, the ‘better than average holiday’ is meaningless unless you mean you get a couple of months a year off over and above. A couple of days here and there are nowt - they’re worth less than £100/day.If you really believe that working for a Government Owed Trust means your job is safe then good luck to you in Cloud Cuckoo Land!
There is some thing very bizarre about having the need to come on here and criticise someone because they have a different set of values to you. I haven’t been “sucked in” by anything, but I think that other aspects of the job are important. Your entire focus is money - mine isn’t! And, even though I didn’t want to end up throwing insults, I have to say I think you’re a shallow, small minded cretin…the worst kind of moronic troll, in fact.
No such thing as a good job, (sorry to sound negative) it’s about the pay for the bs you have to put up with.
This thread may show an age gap between those that want to earn the max for their family and spend less time with them but more quality time.
Sure if your home every night to support your partner thats great but there will come a time when you get on each others nerves.
For me when my kids where young I was OK with a few nights out a week but no more and wanted to be there during the informative years to support her indoors.
Now the kids are growing up I don’t mind working long hours and having good quality time the weekends.
A nice side effect of this is that I also choose to spend as little as possible during the week and save as much as I can for a good Christmas and Holiday with the family.
Hourses for courses with this but I work all week and relax the weekends and even take the wife shopping… no seriously I enjoy this.
Perhaps a job in itself should be judged not only on the time we spend at work but also the time we spend at home.
After being under the missus’s feet for years & home every night & only getting a shag once a month I’m now only home for 2 days a week and getting my leg over almost every week…this makes my current choices infallable.
The tired mantra of we work to live not live to work is flawed as we work to survive and make our personal and family life better not only for now but for the future and those quality moments inbetween. I may not be a millionaire but I’m happy and more importantly so is the wife… for now anyway.
Oh and this post doesn’t account for single folks out there who can do what they like when they like, its just my personal perspective.
sayersy:
Left hand down!:
sayersy:
There is a bizarre tendency on this forum for moronic trolls to ridicule people that CHOOSE to work for less money than them. Somewhere on here somebody said they turned down a job with my employer because they only pay £7.99 per hour. However, he failed to mention the £12 per hour overtime rate, £27 night out, job security (My employer is a government owned trust), above average holidays, the flexible hours, profit share, good pensions, Paid for attending DCPC, 40 hrs per week on the sick, brand new trucks, and even the office staff that accept that I’m the expert, and always ask my opinion - I even get praised from time to time!So, my question to you, what do you think makes a job worth sticking with? Is there more important things than money?Most normal people only go to work for the money, not the enjoyment. If you can also achieve the latter with the former then you’re doing it right. It seems to me you’re doing it wrong.
I what way am I doing it wrong? I earn 30k, which is enough for me, and I’m very happy! And I disagree that most “normal” people only work for money. I would say that greedy people only work for money, and normal people work for money, the social aspect, a social conscience and a sense of self-worth.
No. That’s why you go to work, so that you have the money to spend the rest of the time you’re not at work, ie. social activities.
Pimpdaddy:
No such thing as a good job, (sorry to sound negative) it’s about the pay for the bs you have to put up with.
Sorry to say but then you have made bad choices or found yourself in jobs your do not like. The balance is to find a job that you enjoy at first then tolerate after time with fleeting momets of enjoyment.
If you are in a job that you dislike then its time to move on or at least look elsewhere.
Easier said than done but perhaps a change is on the cards for you.
Well above average wage for under average hours.
Never dirty
Home every night
Good benefits
Truck/trailer never more than 4 years old.
Easy work
Left alone.
If I left this job, I’d leave the industry.
Left hand down!:
sayersy:
Left hand down!:
sayersy:
There is a bizarre tendency on this forum for moronic trolls to ridicule people that CHOOSE to work for less money than them. Somewhere on here somebody said they turned down a job with my employer because they only pay £7.99 per hour. However, he failed to mention the £12 per hour overtime rate, £27 night out, job security (My employer is a government owned trust), above average holidays, the flexible hours, profit share, good pensions, Paid for attending DCPC, 40 hrs per week on the sick, brand new trucks, and even the office staff that accept that I’m the expert, and always ask my opinion - I even get praised from time to time!So, my question to you, what do you think makes a job worth sticking with? Is there more important things than money?Most normal people only go to work for the money, not the enjoyment. If you can also achieve the latter with the former then you’re doing it right. It seems to me you’re doing it wrong.
I what way am I doing it wrong? I earn 30k, which is enough for me, and I’m very happy! And I disagree that most “normal” people only work for money. I would say that greedy people only work for money, and normal people work for money, the social aspect, a social conscience and a sense of self-worth.
No. That’s why you go to work, so that you have the money to spend the rest of the time you’re not at work, ie. social activities.
If those social activates include people from work then it’s a consequence of the job. If you didn’t work, you wouldn’t have met them to socialise with. And most “normal” people socialise AT work, a bit of crack in the morning when you start, or with the fitters at lunchtime, maybe even a pint on Friday night. To lonely people this may even be the ONLY social interaction they have! For them, that’s a far more important reason than money, don’t you agree? That’s what I meant by the social aspect.
George@ASDA driver:
Well above average wage for under average hours.Never dirty
Home every night
Good benefits
Truck/trailer never more than 4 years old.
Easy work
Left alone.
If I left this job, I’d leave the industry.[/quote Me to, I avoid for profit transport like the bubonic plague.
sayersy:
Truckulent:
sayersy:
Conor:
sayersy:
There is a bizarre tendency on this forum for moronic trolls to ridicule people that CHOOSE to work for less money than them. Somewhere on here somebody said they turned down a job with my employer because they only pay £7.99 per hour. /quote]Because whilst drivers accept that it leads to wage deflation. Yes you may get £12/hr overtime but that is only £1/hr more than I earn for my flat rate. Government owned trust does not guarantee job security. 100,000s of people working in the civil service thought their jobs were OK until the govt handed out redundancy notices like confetti in 2008-11. The company I’m working at has above average holidays, profit share, good pensions, pay for doing DCPC, have 40hrs on the sick, are just about to renew the entire fleet (100+ units and over 600 trailers) as well and have office staff who respect the drivers decisions and they pay a lot more than £7.99/hr.
£7.99/hr is a joke in the current climate even with all of the above you say you get.
Is the company you work for an own account operator, or a haulage operation? If it’s haulage is it specialist work? It sounds to me that you’re VERY lucky in that you have a VERY good job…but is the exception rather than the rule. £7.99 may be considerably less than you get, but it is far from a joke…in fact, it is above average for general haulage in this area.
There is nothing bizarre about expecting to be paid a decent wage for doing a good job efficiently.
£7.99 is far from a joke, but only if you’re 15 and doing a paper round.
Too many drivers are sucked in by the other ‘benefits’ of the job. Being happy at work is the only valid point in your post.
This is worth something. However, night out money at £27 is only 3 quid an hour on a 9 hours off, the ‘better than average holiday’ is meaningless unless you mean you get a couple of months a year off over and above. A couple of days here and there are nowt - they’re worth less than £100/day.If you really believe that working for a Government Owed Trust means your job is safe then good luck to you in Cloud Cuckoo Land!
There is some thing very bizarre about having the need to come on here and criticise someone because they have a different set of values to you. I haven’t been “sucked in” by anything, but I think that other aspects of the job are important. Your entire focus is money - mine isn’t! And, even though I didn’t want to end up throwing insults, I have to say I think you’re a shallow, small minded cretin…the worst kind of moronic troll, in fact.
Really?
You make a statement about a bizarre tendency on here to ridicule people that CHOOSE to work for less money and asked what makes a job a good job. I answered you - as Conor indicated, the tendency is because drivers that work for poor hourly rates like you do, make it more difficult for drivers that actual value themselves to acquire work at a decent rate, because if you do it, companies expect others to do it.
Secondly, you asked what makes a job a good job. I told you - a decent wage for doing the job as well and efficiently as you can.
Fine - your entire focus isn’t money - more fool you, but that’s your business. But don’t ask questions on a forum on the 'net, then throw your toys out of the pram and resort to comments a kid in year 5 would be ashamed of just because people don’t agree with you!
Truckulent:
Fine - your entire focus isn’t money - more fool you
Can I ask why you would put a statement like that?
What makes and constitutes a good job is very much a personal preference imo. Again imo, every one of us is individual and chases a different goal. Certain folk require £x per hour due to other financial commitments, certain folk want the least number of hours possible, whilst others want the latest motor.
None of these are right or wrong, they are what the individual requires.
Leaving aside money for a moment, what I require from a job is to be left alone to get on with it, I want to fix any problems that occur, I want to be treated as a grown up. Above all I don’t want to be second guessed or have to justify my actions to someone who doesn’t actually do my job.
Give me that (and what I consider a fair wage) and you’ve just bought a very loyal employee. 
Truckulent:
sayersy:
Conor:
sayersy:
There is a bizarre tendency on this forum for moronic trolls to ridicule people that CHOOSE to work for less money than them. Somewhere on here somebody said they turned down a job with my employer because they only pay £7.99 per hour. /quote]Because whilst drivers accept that it leads to wage deflation. Yes you may get £12/hr overtime but that is only £1/hr more than I earn for my flat rate. Government owned trust does not guarantee job security. 100,000s of people working in the civil service thought their jobs were OK until the govt handed out redundancy notices like confetti in 2008-11. The company I’m working at has above average holidays, profit share, good pensions, pay for doing DCPC, have 40hrs on the sick, are just about to renew the entire fleet (100+ units and over 600 trailers) as well and have office staff who respect the drivers decisions and they pay a lot more than £7.99/hr.
£7.99/hr is a joke in the current climate even with all of the above you say you get.
Is the company you work for an own account operator, or a haulage operation? If it’s haulage is it specialist work? It sounds to me that you’re VERY lucky in that you have a VERY good job…but is the exception rather than the rule. £7.99 may be considerably less than you get, but it is far from a joke…in fact, it is above average for general haulage in this area.
There is nothing bizarre about expecting to be paid a decent wage for doing a good job efficiently.
£7.99 is far from a joke, but only if you’re 15 and doing a paper round.
Too many drivers are sucked in by the other ‘benefits’ of the job. Being happy at work is the only valid point in your post.
This is worth something. However, night out money at £27 is only 3 quid an hour on a 9 hours off, the ‘better than average holiday’ is meaningless unless you mean you get a couple of months a year off over and above. A couple of days here and there are nowt - they’re worth less than £100/day.If you really believe that working for a Government Owed Trust means your job is safe then good luck to you in Cloud Cuckoo Land!
he lives in the North East, so £7.99 per hour is actually ABOVE average. I’m not saying that’s right, but it’s a fact.
His overtime rate is better than mine.
Of course night out money at above average rate is good, any extra money in your pocket matters.
better than average holiday allowance to me is mega important. I’m already up to 3 holiday days unpaid this year, and it’s only just September, now my company has let me have them, a LOT of companies wouldn’t. Time off to me is VERY important, I only work to pay for the ■■■■ I do outside of work.
George@ASDA driver:
Well above average wage for under average hours.Never dirty
Home every night
Good benefits
Truck/trailer never more than 4 years old.
Easy work
Left alone.
If I left this job, I’d leave the industry.
Its not the same asda i used to work for then,its above average hourly rate but when you are working weekends for single time it works out crap,im guessing you dont do ambient loads with pallets of pop and beans with snow on top of them aswell,every unit i drove at asda was a tip with all the different drivers using them,way to many weekends and no chance of getting a holliday on those days,that was 14yrs ago though at normanton things must have changed.