GORDON 50:
A for me, but I sometimes think that lights don’t stay amber long enough, specially if your in a loaded truck. I remember one of the first things I learned when doing my HGV lessons was that approaching a green light was a pig as you didn’t know if you were going to have to stop or not.
I saw a good idea in Austria years ago, the green light would flash 4 or 5 times before going to amber, gives you more of a chance to pull up.
Yes the same in Russia as well & logical as it takes away that uncertainty as you say.
A) stop unless it’s unsafe to do so (ie too fast and heavy or past the point of no return etc) as the next light will be red
Or
B) go unless it’s unsafe to do so
To me the answer is A. However a driving instructor, and I repeat a driving INSTRUCTOR told me yesterday it’s B which I totally disagree with.
Was he properly qualified or a micky mouse one? The latter I suspect! Maybe grass the useless mother up eh.
(ie too fast and heavy or past the point of no return etc) WHAT? Pardon? If a vehicle was going too fast and was too heavy to stop the driver did not anticipate the lights changing by slowing down on approach. A pathetic excuse for bad driving.
No all I mean by that is that your point of no return is different for a fully loaded truck compared to an empty one and different again for a car, so I don’t mean lack of anticipation but there is a point where if they change to amber then your still going to go as it’s unsafe to stop. Not down to not anticipating a phase change. Although some will use that as an excuse, like you say for bad driving. It could have been on amber for 2 seconds and they could easily have stopped yet they floored it and ended up going through when it had changed to red and used the I passed the point of no return excuse, well no you didn’t. But there’s always a point where that is genuine.
Yeah that’s fair enough. Just as a matter of interest was the instructor a car ADI or an LGV instructor?
GORDON 50:
A for me, but I sometimes think that lights don’t stay amber long enough, specially if your in a loaded truck. I remember one of the first things I learned when doing my HGV lessons was that approaching a green light was a pig as you didn’t know if you were going to have to stop or not.
I saw a good idea in Austria years ago, the green light would flash 4 or 5 times before going to amber, gives you more of a chance to pull up.
Yeah good idea but in reality if you slow as you should there’s never really a problem.
GORDON 50:
A for me, but I sometimes think that lights don’t stay amber long enough, specially if your in a loaded truck. I remember one of the first things I learned when doing my HGV lessons was that approaching a green light was a pig as you didn’t know if you were going to have to stop or not.
I saw a good idea in Austria years ago, the green light would flash 4 or 5 times before going to amber, gives you more of a chance to pull up.
Yes the same in Russia as well & logical as it takes away that uncertainty as you say.
How well does it work? Do people accelerate and close up gaps to squeeze across?
Like all systems, including ours, it depends on drivers using it correctly
GORDON 50:
A for me, but I sometimes think that lights don’t stay amber long enough, specially if your in a loaded truck. I remember one of the first things I learned when doing my HGV lessons was that approaching a green light was a pig as you didn’t know if you were going to have to stop or not.
I saw a good idea in Austria years ago, the green light would flash 4 or 5 times before going to amber, gives you more of a chance to pull up.
Yeah good idea but in reality if you slow as you should there’s never really a problem.
You’re right…but I found that if fully loaded when approaching a green light I slowed right down to a crawl before making that stop/ go decision, so I think a flashing green or countdown would help.
GORDON 50:
A for me, but I sometimes think that lights don’t stay amber long enough, specially if your in a loaded truck. I remember one of the first things I learned when doing my HGV lessons was that approaching a green light was a pig as you didn’t know if you were going to have to stop or not.
I saw a good idea in Austria years ago, the green light would flash 4 or 5 times before going to amber, gives you more of a chance to pull up.
Yeah good idea but in reality if you slow as you should there’s never really a problem.
You’re right…but I found that if fully loaded when approaching a green light I slowed right down to a crawl before making that stop/ go decision, so I think a flashing green or countdown would help.
Yes I tend to agree it may help probably some more than others! Always amazes me how some just batter on then wonder why they can’t stop and end up going through on red.
Correct. If your only preparing to stop on an Amber then when it actually goes red you might not be able to stop before the line and go through on red, Especially for us in trucks. It means stop unless it’s unsafe as the next phase will be red, unsafe covers if you are past the point of no return but only ones who genuinely are. Past the point of no return does NOT mean I could easily stop but I’m going to floor it and end up going through on red.
Correct. If your only preparing to stop on an Amber then when it actually goes red you might not be able to stop before the line and go through on red, Especially for us in trucks. It means stop unless it’s unsafe as the next phase will be red, unsafe covers if you are past the point of no return but only ones who genuinely are. Past the point of no return does NOT mean I could easily stop but I’m going to floor it and end up going through on red.
So tell me about this instructor(■■?) Was he a car instructor or doing vocational training on buses or trucks? How the hell can a so called instructor not know basic highway code.
Any properly qualified instructor goes far beyond the basics! Or they used to.
GORDON 50:
I saw a good idea in Austria years ago, the green light would flash 4 or 5 times before going to amber, gives you more of a chance to pull up.
^ This.
Also many continental countries set the lights to flashing amber over night.On that note if green supposedly means proceed with caution then what does flashing amber mean.
In this case it’s the right hand rule unless one of the roads have priority over other one and the sign give way is displayed.
Correct. If your only preparing to stop on an Amber then when it actually goes red you might not be able to stop before the line and go through on red, Especially for us in trucks. It means stop unless it’s unsafe as the next phase will be red, unsafe covers if you are past the point of no return but only ones who genuinely are. Past the point of no return does NOT mean I could easily stop but I’m going to floor it and end up going through on red.
So tell me about this instructor(■■?) Was he a car instructor or doing vocational training on buses or trucks? How the hell can a so called instructor not know basic highway code.
Any properly qualified instructor goes far beyond the basics! Or they used to.
Wrong, not a proper instructor and I suspect he is not properly qualified. That’s a big problem with LGV training. Just imagine what other crap he is telling students.
It’s disgusting and adds to the poor standards we have today. In future go to a properly qualified and registered school and that will never happen.
jakethesnake: Proper instructor working for a training school
Wrong, not a proper instructor and I suspect he is not properly qualified. That’s a big problem with LGV training. Just imagine what other crap he is telling students.
It’s disgusting and adds to the poor standards we have today. In future go to a properly qualified and registered school and that will never happen.
jakethesnake: Proper instructor working for a training school
Wrong, not a proper instructor and I suspect he is not properly qualified. That’s a big problem with LGV training. Just imagine what other crap he is telling students.
It’s disgusting and adds to the poor standards we have today. In future go to a properly qualified and registered school and that will never happen.
Oh it’s a properly registered school.
I knew I was right anyway.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
just because you personally know for a fact something is absolutely correct,whereas jts “suspects” something different means that in his bubble of fantasy self important superiority,then no matter what you may prove to the contrary,you are wrong,and that dead horse will now get yet another predictable flogging unless you care to just ignore what will inevitably follow.
jakethesnake: Proper instructor working for a training school
Wrong, not a proper instructor and I suspect he is not properly qualified. That’s a big problem with LGV training. Just imagine what other crap he is telling students.
It’s disgusting and adds to the poor standards we have today. In future go to a properly qualified and registered school and that will never happen.
Oh it’s a properly registered school.
I knew I was right anyway.
If this is true which I doubt who are the school registered with? Did you confront him with a HC in hand ? Depending on his answer did you talk to his boss?
I find it exremely hard to believe that a qualified instructor does not know basic HC. Maybe the school are registered but he obviously hasn’t been trained or is just a complete ■■■■■■.
I really hope you did not leave it at him being wrong and you being right as he is totally unfit for the job.
Can I ask why you were at the school?
jakethesnake: Proper instructor working for a training school
Wrong, not a proper instructor and I suspect he is not properly qualified. That’s a big problem with LGV training. Just imagine what other crap he is telling students.
It’s disgusting and adds to the poor standards we have today. In future go to a properly qualified and registered school and that will never happen.
Oh it’s a properly registered school.
I knew I was right anyway.
If this is true which I doubt who are the school registered with? Did you confront him with a HC in hand ? Depending on his answer did you talk to his boss?
I find it exremely hard to believe that a qualified instructor does not know basic HC. Maybe the school are registered but he obviously hasn’t been trained or is just a complete ■■■■■■.
I really hope you did not leave it at him being wrong and you being right as he is totally unfit for the job.
Can I ask why you were at the school?
Put it to bed jake. The details of why I was talking to him don’t matter. That’s what he said, I disagree and without going into detail it wouldn’t have been appropriate for me to undermine him in the situation. No I don’t carry a copy of the HC with me at all times, no his boss wouldn’t have been around at the time.
jakethesnake: Proper instructor working for a training school
Wrong, not a proper instructor and I suspect he is not properly qualified. That’s a big problem with LGV training. Just imagine what other crap he is telling students.
It’s disgusting and adds to the poor standards we have today. In future go to a properly qualified and registered school and that will never happen.
Oh it’s a properly registered school.
I knew I was right anyway.
If this is true which I doubt who are the school registered with? Did you confront him with a HC in hand ? Depending on his answer did you talk to his boss?
I find it exremely hard to believe that a qualified instructor does not know basic HC. Maybe the school are registered but he obviously hasn’t been trained or is just a complete ■■■■■■.
I really hope you did not leave it at him being wrong and you being right as he is totally unfit for the job.
Can I ask why you were at the school?
Put it to bed jake. The details of why I was talking to him don’t matter. That’s what he said, I disagree and without going into detail it wouldn’t have been appropriate for me to undermine him in the situation. No I don’t carry a copy of the HC with me at all times, no his boss wouldn’t have been around at the time.
A whole different kettle of Pandoras being opened here: should someone “in authority” be challenged on what they say? Should /would their “authority” be undermined?
Just thought I might leave that thought hanging there for anyone wishing to consider it. No need for Rowley or anyone to go into it of course.
