Carryfast:
I think it says more about the pitfalls of the diabolical draconian immigration regime which historically selectively applies such as in the case of UK workers looking for work in places like Canada as opposed to immigrant labour looking for work here.It would be no surprise that some employers would obviously take advantage of that situation.
Which leaves the question as to why it seems no problem for east Euro or Asian etc immigrants to get work in USA or Oz for example while the the door remains firmly closed to Brits just as it was in Canada not long ago.Or why it seems easier for some chosen ethnic groups to be accepted for Canadian immigration than it is for Brits.IE a hidden quota system which discriminates against emigrant Brits while subjecting the domestic labour market to wholesale immigration without limit.
In which case it seems to have the UK government’s grubby paw prints all over it as part of an agenda of making life as difficult as possible for emigrant Brits while maintaining easy immigration here in order to keep the situation of the rigged UK labour market on track.
Carryfast you really are in the wrong job, you should apply to be a labour MP, as you are so full of Verbal diarrhoea.
You know absolutely nothing about the immigrant work process in either the USA or OZ so best you keep your fantasies to yourself, and to be fair this thread was here to warn other drivers about following this route. And not here for you to bleat on with your moronic political clap trap.
Really.Feel free to explain exactly which bit I’ve got wrong at least in terms of the situation regards USA for one example.Or for that matter Brits being retrospectively deported from NZ the government there having retrospectively changed the immigration status of Brit truck drivers.As for Oz who knows but I don’t think it is any better than NZ.While the Brit-Canadian immigration situation is clear to all as to the way in which it stinks.When compared to the obvious open door immigration policy of either country regards other ‘Commonwealth’ or east Euro Labour which lets just say has lower ‘expectations’ regards working conditions.
As for Labour no I think my ideas have more in common with UKIP (now wait for the usual racist bs ).
Sure I sensed some more rather boring Rhetoric form the carryfast corner.
yoyo5: Sure I sensed some more rather boring Rhetoric form the carryfast corner.
An answer to the questions,as to why the facts show a bias in favour of non Brit Asian and east Euro etc immigration,within US,Canadian,and Australian immigration policies,would be good.All of which would explain the reasons for the ‘issues’ contained in the OP’s article better than the idea that working in any of those countries is/was generally just zb.IE it is a deliberate policy of discrimination contained in those countries immigration agendas to deter Brit emigrants.
I moved to Australia from UK in 2012, there is no truck driver shortage on the immigration, the East euro workers are not here like you may think, Asians are here correct but they live 15 high in a 2 bed flat etc all earning money to buy it then they buy a second etc thats exactly how they do it! wages in the trucks are poor here and clapped out old crap like 1980’s Scania driving about (2015 Scania exactly the same )
End of the day over here they run you as legal as they can poor condition trucks etc , I did it for a couple of days and was being paid $22 ph hour only wanna keep you casual no sick pay no holiday pay etc, I am now in a government job so have better hours and security etc but avoid getting a MC or HC here in Australia.
discoman:
I moved to Australia from UK in 2012, there is no truck driver shortage on the immigration, the East euro workers are not here like you may think, Asians are here correct but they live 15 high in a 2 bed flat etc all earning money to buy it then they buy a second etc thats exactly how they do it! wages in the trucks are poor here and clapped out old crap like 1980’s Scania driving about (2015 Scania exactly the same )
End of the day over here they run you as legal as they can poor condition trucks etc , I did it for a couple of days and was being paid $22 ph hour only wanna keep you casual no sick pay no holiday pay etc, I am now in a government job so have better hours and security etc but avoid getting a MC or HC here in Australia.
Hopefully I will be home one day
According to the info available truck driving isn’t/wasn’t on the list of approved occupations in Oz at least as of 2013 with calls for 457 visas to be issued as of that time.Of which as usual even most of that number would probably be allocated to non Brit immigration.I’m guessing that might be why the old Cattle Carters movie was taken down from youtube being that it showed better days when Oz was just an extension of the old country from the point of view of Brit/Australian freedom of movement in residency and work rights.
JIMBO47:
cattle carters was that the test card film on BBC2 ■■? not seen it in years .is it available??
It was posted on youtube some time ago and I posted it on here in a discussion about the old Leylands in it.It then seemed to have been taken down in some strange circumstances in which the uploader seems to have been ‘instructed’ supposedly on grounds of ‘copy write’.Which seems strange for what was just an old short ( but great ) test card film.
Although as I said it obviously did contain the inconvenient facts ( questions ) as to the type of freedom of movement which existed between the old country and the colonies in those better days as opposed to now.
discoman:
I moved to Australia from UK in 2012, there is no truck driver shortage on the immigration, the East euro workers are not here like you may think, Asians are here correct but they live 15 high in a 2 bed flat etc all earning money to buy it then they buy a second etc thats exactly how they do it! wages in the trucks are poor here and clapped out old crap like 1980’s Scania driving about (2015 Scania exactly the same )
End of the day over here they run you as legal as they can poor condition trucks etc , I did it for a couple of days and was being paid $22 ph hour only wanna keep you casual no sick pay no holiday pay etc, I am now in a government job so have better hours and security etc but avoid getting a MC or HC here in Australia.
Hopefully I will be home one day
Been living in Perth Australia since 2002 have an MC Licence but drive HC…as the money is about the same. Currently driving for Toll Logistics. Lot of UK Drivers most of us are either working as on going casual or full time. My standard hourly rate is $33 for the first 7.5 hrs then time & half for anything over 7.5 hrs plus meal allowance and shift allowance. Weekends is double time. 90% of the trucks are European cab overs Mercs, Volvo and Scania no more than 3 hrs old as all on lease contracts.
There are a few doggy operators but I have found if work for the larger companies that are members of the Road Transport Union then they look after you. I don’t belong or agree with unions but when it comes to earning the correct income I won’t complain.
There are drivers here earning in excess of $100k a year and they are not owner drivers - I did post a thread on here about Driver Hire although there was some bad feed back, the general feeling in Perth is that they will find you a good employer and after 6/8 weeks if you have good work ethic you get asked by the company they allocate you with to go fulltime. Know a few drivers that have taken this root. I’m currently looking at working for DHL and TNT through Driver Hire. (only looking)
As NZ has been mentioned earlier in this thread,i thought I would ask about driving there. My understanding is that a class 1 and class 2 license are usable in NZ. (Its class 4/class 5 there). Upon further research it appears that the Canterbury region in the South Island are taking UK drivers.
Does any body have any experience in NZ or have any info. It also appears that 15 hour days are the norm there.
eagerbeaver:
As NZ has been mentioned earlier in this thread,i thought I would ask about driving there. My understanding is that a class 1 and class 2 license are usable in NZ. (Its class 4/class 5 there). Upon further research it appears that the Canterbury region in the South Island are taking UK drivers.
Does any body have any experience in NZ or have any info. It also appears that 15 hour days are the norm there.
I can only comment of Australia, 15 hour days are pretty normal for different states in Oz, most of us drive up to 14 hours, but then need to take a 10 hour break before going back on shift usually Sat with Sun off. Most of us will work between 10/12 hours a day and if possible Saturday which is double time. (No Tacho - No Limiters) just keep a log book…We have transport inspectors same as VOSA in the uk.
I work for Toll Logistics and speaking to Kiwi drivers it’s similar in New Zealand. Toll have offices in New Zealand as well as Oz and do transfer drivers to Oz.
Class 1 in the UK is classed as HC (Heavy Combination)in Oz…I had to do a driving assessment with the department of transport (which is easy) so I could get my class 1 changed over I now have an MC (Mutli Combination)but stick with HC as money is more or less the same.
There is also an agreement with Oz that if you stay in New Zealand for 2 yrs and become a citizen you get free entry into Oz. I have heard there is quite a lot of work in New Zealand at the moment due to the earth quake and the extent of the rebuilding required. Look at tollpeople.com.au there is a section where you can check out job vacancies.
Like everywhere in the world there is a lot of operates that want to pay you bugger all, if you can get in with the likes of Toll then you will be okay - there is other companies also
Stumpy1968:
Been living in Perth Australia since 2002 have an MC Licence but drive HC…as the money is about the same. Currently driving for Toll Logistics. Lot of UK Drivers most of us are either working as on going casual or full time. My standard hourly rate is $33 for the first 7.5 hrs then time & half for anything over 7.5 hrs plus meal allowance and shift allowance. Weekends is double time. 90% of the trucks are European cab overs Mercs, Volvo and Scania no more than 3 hrs old as all on lease contracts.
There are a few doggy operators but I have found if work for the larger companies that are members of the Road Transport Union then they look after you. I don’t belong or agree with unions but when it comes to earning the correct income I won’t complain.
There are drivers here earning in excess of $100k a year and they are not owner drivers - I did post a thread on here about Driver Hire although there was some bad feed back, the general feeling in Perth is that they will find you a good employer and after 6/8 weeks if you have good work ethic you get asked by the company they allocate you with to go fulltime. Know a few drivers that have taken this root. I’m currently looking at working for DHL and TNT through Driver Hire. (only looking)
There seems to be some contradictory information where on one hand we’ve got Brits saying that it is no problem to at least be allowed to work in Australia.While from experience as of at least the 1980’s in my case,like Canada at that time and USA to date,the Australian immigration authorities don’t recognise truck driving as one of the eligible trades for entry.
With calls for a ‘limited’ change in that situation by the Oz transport industry only as of 2013 in the form of a 457 immigrant driver visa quota.Of which,unlike better days,even that probably won’t contain any preference for Brits probably more like the opposite.
While there are documented reports of the NZ immigration authorities having retrospectively removed truck driving from its UK immigration quotas with resulting re patriation of such immigrant drivers.
As for Canada the situation as it stands,at least regarding Brits,seems clear enough from the content of the topic post.IE possibly even worse than just being told honestly that Brits are not welcome there as immigrant workers for reasons of ‘multi cultural diversity’.Which obviously seems to be the reason why I,for one,was refused entry there too,just like Oz and NZ,around 30 years ago.
There seems to be some contradictory information where on one hand we’ve got Brits saying that it is no problem to at least be allowed to work in Australia.While from experience as of at least the 1980’s in my case,like Canada at that time and USA to date,the Australian immigration authorities don’t recognise truck driving as one of the eligible trades for entry.
With calls for a ‘limited’ change in that situation by the Oz transport industry only as of 2013 in the form of a 457 immigrant driver visa quota.Of which,unlike better days,even that probably won’t contain any preference for Brits probably more like the opposite.
While there are documented reports of the NZ immigration authorities having retrospectively removed truck driving from its UK immigration quotas with resulting re patriation of such immigrant drivers.
As for Canada the situation as it stands,at least regarding Brits,seems clear enough from the content of the topic post.IE possibly even worse than just being told honestly that Brits are not welcome there as immigrant workers for reasons of ‘multi cultural diversity’.Which obviously seems to be the reason why I,for one,was refused entry there too,just like Oz and NZ,around 30 years ago.
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I wonder what Beano you read to get you so called up to date information.
I have both friends and Family living in Australia & New Zealand, plus I lived and worked in ozzy myself. I asked about British Truck Drivers being Repatriated from NZ and That appears to be Absolute Rubbish, Unless they are on a working Visa and it has run out so absolutely no problem there, as that’s how visitors Working Visas Work.
As for Australia if you were refused Entry as you say 30 years ago, it would have had nothing to do with you being a Brit but just the fact that you did not measure up to the Ozzy Standards required, and not as you infer for reasons of " multi cultural diversity ". As for driving jobs in Ozzy now, no problem as long as somebody in your family meets the Immigration requirements there are no restrictions on Driving jobs there for Brits.
And just to shoot your very misguided views down in flames, The Australians only brought in Visa`s for British visitors because the then Labour government withdrew the freedom of movement back to the old country from the Ozzys , touché
There seems to be some contradictory information where on one hand we’ve got Brits saying that it is no problem to at least be allowed to work in Australia.While from experience as of at least the 1980’s in my case,like Canada at that time and USA to date,the Australian immigration authorities don’t recognise truck driving as one of the eligible trades for entry.
With calls for a ‘limited’ change in that situation by the Oz transport industry only as of 2013 in the form of a 457 immigrant driver visa quota.Of which,unlike better days,even that probably won’t contain any preference for Brits probably more like the opposite.
While there are documented reports of the NZ immigration authorities having retrospectively removed truck driving from its UK immigration quotas with resulting re patriation of such immigrant drivers.
As for Canada the situation as it stands,at least regarding Brits,seems clear enough from the content of the topic post.IE possibly even worse than just being told honestly that Brits are not welcome there as immigrant workers for reasons of ‘multi cultural diversity’.Which obviously seems to be the reason why I,for one,was refused entry there too,just like Oz and NZ,around 30 years ago.
I wonder what Beano you read to get you so called up to date information.
I have both friends and Family living in Australia & New Zealand, plus I lived and worked in ozzy myself. I asked about British Truck Drivers being Repatriated from NZ and That appears to be Absolute Rubbish, Unless they are on a working Visa and it has run out so absolutely no problem there, as that’s how visitors Working Visas Work.
As for Australia if you were refused Entry as you say 30 years ago, it would have had nothing to do with you being a Brit but just the fact that you did not measure up to the Ozzy Standards required, and not as you infer for reasons of " multi cultural diversity ". As for driving jobs in Ozzy now, no problem as long as somebody in your family meets the Immigration requirements there are no restrictions on Driving jobs there for Brits.
And just to shoot your very misguided views down in flames, The Australians only brought in Visa`s for British visitors because the then Labour government withdrew the freedom of movement back to the old country from the Ozzys , touché
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In my case,like Canada and USA it had nothing to do with not ‘meeting standards’
it was simply a case,then as now and as you’ve admitted entry for non recognised trades like truck driving was/is conditional on family connections.In which case my Great Aunt having married an Anzac stationed here and then having went back to Oz with him long before I was born obviously didn’t work.
While you obviously missed my point that the whole situation of the case of removal of freedom of movement between the old country and the colonies has the Brit government’s grubby paw prints all over it.Together with an obvious very real issue of positive discrimination in favour of populating the UK’s ex colonies on a ‘multi cultural’ ‘ethnic diversity’ basis.Better known as the cheap labour agenda just like here.
Some of the stuff said was total BS. My total training and medical costs were about $1700. I came over with less then $5000 in my back pocket and found that was more then enough and yes I was living in a hotel during training. 10 days after landing I had my Canadian class 1 in my pocket and off on my mentor trips which took about a week. 3 days orientation in the classroom then loaded up for my first solo run down to San Antonio TX.
Over here most likely you will be paid by the mile so the more you do the more you get paid. Problems with getting work done on the truck is the same everywhere you can’t rush a Canadian to get the job done. If you come over willing to put the work in then the rewards are there. Research the company you are coming over for seen a fair few go back due to lack of research.
taffytrucker:
Some of the stuff said was total BS.Research the company you are coming over for seen a fair few go back due to lack of research.
The justifiable point being more that of the ridiculous draconian immigration conditions which tie Brit immigrant drivers to a specific employer good or bad which is obviously then open to abuse by bad employers.As opposed to just a system of open door immigration policy for Brits with freedom of movement and choice to move around taking up whatever type of employment is available and offered which would provide the employee with the same rights and ability to dump a bad employer and move to one that suits,as an indigenous Canadian worker.As would/should be expected in a developed Brit based English speaking society.
Stumpy1968:
Been living in Perth Australia since 2002 have an MC Licence but drive HC…as the money is about the same. Currently driving for Toll Logistics. Lot of UK Drivers most of us are either working as on going casual or full time. My standard hourly rate is $33 for the first 7.5 hrs then time & half for anything over 7.5 hrs plus meal allowance and shift allowance. Weekends is double time. 90% of the trucks are European cab overs Mercs, Volvo and Scania no more than 3 hrs old as all on lease contracts.
There are a few doggy operators but I have found if work for the larger companies that are members of the Road Transport Union then they look after you. I don’t belong or agree with unions but when it comes to earning the correct income I won’t complain.
There are drivers here earning in excess of $100k a year and they are not owner drivers - I did post a thread on here about Driver Hire although there was some bad feed back, the general feeling in Perth is that they will find you a good employer and after 6/8 weeks if you have good work ethic you get asked by the company they allocate you with to go fulltime. Know a few drivers that have taken this root. I’m currently looking at working for DHL and TNT through Driver Hire. (only looking)
There seems to be some contradictory information where on one hand we’ve got Brits saying that it is no problem to at least be allowed to work in Australia.While from experience as of at least the 1980’s in my case,like Canada at that time and USA to date,the Australian immigration authorities don’t recognise truck driving as one of the eligible trades for entry.
With calls for a ‘limited’ change in that situation by the Oz transport industry only as of 2013 in the form of a 457 immigrant driver visa quota.Of which,unlike better days,even that probably won’t contain any preference for Brits probably more like the opposite.
While there are documented reports of the NZ immigration authorities having retrospectively removed truck driving from its UK immigration quotas with resulting re patriation of such immigrant drivers.
As for Canada the situation as it stands,at least regarding Brits,seems clear enough from the content of the topic post.IE possibly even worse than just being told honestly that Brits are not welcome there as immigrant workers for reasons of ‘multi cultural diversity’.Which obviously seems to be the reason why I,for one,was refused entry there too,just like Oz and NZ,around 30 years ago.
I applied for an economic migrates visa which is a point system - I also have a trade and are qualified as a heavy and car vehicle mechanic - hence while I have a class 1. You can also apply as a sponsored Migrate but you will need a family or blood relation who is prepared to sponsor you for 2 years…Basically they have to be prepared to look after you throughout the period of the 2 years and as you cannot be a burden on Australia.
You are right truck driving is not on the list of occupations, but if you can get out here with either one of these visa’s you have the choice to choose what you want to do with regards employment.
With regards to the 457 visa there is a few things you need to be aware of. You get sponsored by a company and have to work for that company for the length of time of the visa - not sure time frames. After that time you can move job, state etc. The key thing is once you have done 2 years in Australia you must apply for citizenship and make sure you get it…otherwise you will get deported if your visa runs out and you have done nothing to stay. You can also apply for a visa if you have a spouse, in a defacto relationship and use their qualifications to apply.!! there is always a way.
I would recommend that if you are serious in coming to Oz then get some info from one of the migration agents - the application process is reasonably easy which you can do yourself. Brits living in Australian !!! more than a hand full - In Perth it’s becoming little Britian
Stumpy1968:
Been living in Perth Australia since 2002 have an MC Licence but drive HC…as the money is about the same. Currently driving for Toll Logistics. Lot of UK Drivers most of us are either working as on going casual or full time. My standard hourly rate is $33 for the first 7.5 hrs then time & half for anything over 7.5 hrs plus meal allowance and shift allowance. Weekends is double time. 90% of the trucks are European cab overs Mercs, Volvo and Scania no more than 3 hrs old as all on lease contracts.
There are a few doggy operators but I have found if work for the larger companies that are members of the Road Transport Union then they look after you. I don’t belong or agree with unions but when it comes to earning the correct income I won’t complain.
There are drivers here earning in excess of $100k a year and they are not owner drivers - I did post a thread on here about Driver Hire although there was some bad feed back, the general feeling in Perth is that they will find you a good employer and after 6/8 weeks if you have good work ethic you get asked by the company they allocate you with to go fulltime. Know a few drivers that have taken this root. I’m currently looking at working for DHL and TNT through Driver Hire. (only looking)
There seems to be some contradictory information where on one hand we’ve got Brits saying that it is no problem to at least be allowed to work in Australia.While from experience as of at least the 1980’s in my case,like Canada at that time and USA to date,the Australian immigration authorities don’t recognise truck driving as one of the eligible trades for entry.
With calls for a ‘limited’ change in that situation by the Oz transport industry only as of 2013 in the form of a 457 immigrant driver visa quota.Of which,unlike better days,even that probably won’t contain any preference for Brits probably more like the opposite.
While there are documented reports of the NZ immigration authorities having retrospectively removed truck driving from its UK immigration quotas with resulting re patriation of such immigrant drivers.
As for Canada the situation as it stands,at least regarding Brits,seems clear enough from the content of the topic post.IE possibly even worse than just being told honestly that Brits are not welcome there as immigrant workers for reasons of ‘multi cultural diversity’.Which obviously seems to be the reason why I,for one,was refused entry there too,just like Oz and NZ,around 30 years ago.
I applied for an economic migrates visa which is a point system - I also have a trade and are qualified as a heavy and car vehicle mechanic - hence while I have a class 1. You can also apply as a sponsored Migrate but you will need a family or blood relation who is prepared to sponsor you for 2 years…Basically they have to be prepared to look after you throughout the period of the 2 years and as you cannot be a burden on Australia.
You are right truck driving is not on the list of occupations, but if you can get out here with either one of these visa’s you have the choice to choose what you want to do with regards employment.
With regards to the 457 visa there is a few things you need to be aware of. You get sponsored by a company and have to work for that company for the length of time of the visa - not sure time frames. After that time you can move job, state etc. The key thing is once you have done 2 years in Australia you must apply for citizenship and make sure you get it…otherwise you will get deported if your visa runs out
Assuming that someone’s ‘trade’ is that of truck driver and they don’t meet the points requirement or established family conditions etc etc that just leaves the even more limited than Canada 457 quota which at least obviously seems to have been pushed through now by the ATA.But which then obviously leaves the prospective emigrant worker with very few if any options if they don’t get on with the specific limited employment they are obviously lumbered with.IE its all a long way from the old 10 pound pomme emigrant regime when being a Brit was as good as being a colonial as depicted in that great old movie the Cattle Carters which I referred to.As for USA and Canada that’s just as bad if not worse in us being viewed as ‘foreigners’ within parts of the world where we should still be viewed as their own.
As for me it’s too late now.If I was going then the 1980’s was my time in which case the door was totally closed to Brit drivers in all those places just as it still is in the USA.
Although as I’ve said even ‘if’ I was young enough and still in the job there’s no way that I’d jump under those present Canadian and Australian immigration rules.It really needs us to get back to that old situation of open door freedom of movement between us and the old colonies while closing the door to the EU.
taffytrucker:
Some of the stuff said was total BS.Research the company you are coming over for seen a fair few go back due to lack of research.
The justifiable point being more that of the ridiculous draconian immigration conditions which tie Brit immigrant drivers to a specific employer good or bad which is obviously then open to abuse by bad employers.As opposed to just a system of open door immigration policy for Brits with freedom of movement and choice to move around taking up whatever type of employment is available and offered which would provide the employee with the same rights and ability to dump a bad employer and move to one that suits,as an indigenous Canadian worker.As would/should be expected in a developed Brit based English speaking society.
Suppose you want it handed to ya on a plate? To move employer don’t cost you a cent and the new employer can take over your sponsorship which I know has happened. Also each province is different as to how the process works.
Although it takes way to long I got no problem going through the same process as everyone else.
I’ve said it a 1000 times, ANY company that needs to recruit drivers from 5000miles away is going to be a load of ■■■.
I’ve been here 7yrs now and these companies get worse every year in the way they treat staff, that’s made easy for them, especially in Alberta as there’s been a shake up in the Temporary Work Permit scheme, but Alberta has always been worse than the other provinces because there it is the company that puts forward the nomination for Permanent Residency. So they have you by the short and curlies.
I met a bloke last night in Lethbridge who went to work for one of the labour importers and his dream has become a nightmare, he is going back to the UK after disgusting treatment by the company, he said he’ll tell the story on here, so I won’t ■■■■ on his fish.
My advice to anybody thinking of Canada is don’t do it if it involves Alberta. Don’t think that you’ll be alright because you’re not foolish as it doesn’t make a blind bit of difference.
I’ve seen dozens of Brits posting on the British Expats site over the last few years dismissing all the warnings they’ve been given about Westcan, H&R, etc and the vast majority of them have been on a few months later telling their tales of woe, then they just disappear, obviously having gone back to Britain having lost almost everything.
The other provinces are different and the companies are not so bad, but you still have to get the increasingly harder immigration stuff done as fast as possible or you’ll be kicked out if your permit runs out before the application is approved.
Ha Ha, Reading carryfasts blogs are more like reading a book of political spin, in other words the same ole same ole verbal twittering’s with no actual content, just repeating the same old mantra but under a different guise.
I can also see why you are behind the UKIP vote, as your approach is as limited as there’s, no actual policies just harp on about Immigration and Immigration and yes Immigration, oh so boring,.,.
Sure I sensed some more rather boring Rhetoric form the carryfast corner.
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