Hello all, simple fact, UK useage was far more intense in terms of utilisation, ton miles, and speed, than the rest of Europe. The Swedes could not believe what we did with the little F86, but it was perfect for 32ton operation, 192hp, legal 22ton payload, so manouverable it was untrue and economic, a gaffers and drivers motor all in one!! Can anyone suggest another that has fulfilled that role since?? Cheerio.
ramone:
I think the weight limit in Aus is slightly higher than here and so are the distances travelled,i dont think roadtrains would suit our congested road network.New Zealand was a big customer of ours for a long time but they cant buy whats not available.Everythings bigger in the USA especially their toilet rolls
New Zealand is’nt Australia or the US and it’s road system and distances are comparable to the UK and general US weight limits have always been comparable to ours.The current standard NZ weight limit is at present 44 t with permits being required to run at heavier weights and there’s no evidence to suggest that gross weights have’nt been comparable over the years, with the most common types of trucks being mostly Drawbar outfits and artics of similar dimensions of those here.
The fact is they ‘would’nt’ continue to buy,not ‘could’nt’ buy, what was available from the Brit manufacturers when it mattered because just like the Ozzies they knew that Brit trucks were crippled by the buying policies of the customers in their home market. 
Saviem:
Hello all, simple fact, UK useage was far more intense in terms of utilisation, ton miles, and speed, than the rest of Europe. The Swedes could not believe what we did with the little F86, but it was perfect for 32ton operation, 192hp, legal 22ton payload, so manouverable it was untrue and economic, a gaffers and drivers motor all in one!! Can anyone suggest another that has fulfilled that role since?? Cheerio.
For ‘intense’ read skinflint guvnors using underspecced,gutless,uncomfortable wagons to do more work than they were designed for.The role has’nt been fulfilled in recent years because Brit guvnors were finally dragged kicking and screaming into the real civilised world starting with trucks like the F88,DAF 2800 and F10/12.
Carryfast:
Saviem:
Hello all, simple fact, UK useage was far more intense in terms of utilisation, ton miles, and speed, than the rest of Europe. The Swedes could not believe what we did with the little F86, but it was perfect for 32ton operation, 192hp, legal 22ton payload, so manouverable it was untrue and economic, a gaffers and drivers motor all in one!! Can anyone suggest another that has fulfilled that role since?? Cheerio.For ‘intense’ read skinflint guvnors using underspecced,gutless,uncomfortable wagons to do more work than they were designed for.The role has’nt been fulfilled in recent years because Brit guvnors were finally dragged kicking and screaming into the real civilised world starting with trucks like the F88,DAF 2800 and F10/12.
So what made these “skinflint guvnors” buy F88,DAF 2800 and F10/12 when the British made vehicles were still available . The British manufacturers would be still in buisness if your theory was right as these “skinflint guvnors” would be still buying them.Who was it that actually did the dragging■■?
Carryfast:
Saviem:
Hello all, simple fact, UK useage was far more intense in terms of utilisation, ton miles, and speed, than the rest of Europe. The Swedes could not believe what we did with the little F86, but it was perfect for 32ton operation, 192hp, legal 22ton payload, so manouverable it was untrue and economic, a gaffers and drivers motor all in one!! Can anyone suggest another that has fulfilled that role since?? Cheerio.For ‘intense’ read skinflint guvnors using underspecced,gutless,uncomfortable wagons to do more work than they were designed for.The role has’nt been fulfilled in recent years because Brit guvnors were finally dragged kicking and screaming into the real civilised world starting with trucks like the F88,DAF 2800 and F10/12.
Yes, “skinflint guvnors” there were. And it’s still the same today with regards to the intensity of operations. With road haulage margins being so slim you need to get maximum utilisation out of your vehicles. At the company I work for we currently have a double-shifted trunking vehicle working 7 days weekly covering 5,650 miles every 7 days. The modern terminology is ‘sweating the assets’. 
The Bold “carryfast’s” in built time clock would appear to be somewhat retarded (just like him .so no change there then!) However,as I aquired my first two F88’s in circa March '76,which is by my calculation( hang on while I put my socks and wellies back on) is 35 years ago! So how can this be described as “recently”.obviously The Bold One must have been a stable hand when the Mail Coaches were running in the 17 hunreds and his grasp on time and reality is somewhat “different” to everyone elses!! Has the 2nd world war just finished or is it about to start,“carryfast”? I think your tickover needs adjusting son,pass me the screwdriver and would someone lift up his “syrup” over his left lug 'ole so I can get at the screw! Oh! is that daylight I can see?Cheers Bewick.
gingerfold:
Carryfast:
Saviem:
Hello all, simple fact, UK useage was far more intense in terms of utilisation, ton miles, and speed, than the rest of Europe. The Swedes could not believe what we did with the little F86, but it was perfect for 32ton operation, 192hp, legal 22ton payload, so manouverable it was untrue and economic, a gaffers and drivers motor all in one!! Can anyone suggest another that has fulfilled that role since?? Cheerio.For ‘intense’ read skinflint guvnors using underspecced,gutless,uncomfortable wagons to do more work than they were designed for.The role has’nt been fulfilled in recent years because Brit guvnors were finally dragged kicking and screaming into the real civilised world starting with trucks like the F88,DAF 2800 and F10/12.
Yes, “skinflint guvnors” there were. And it’s still the same today with regards to the intensity of operations. With road haulage margins being so slim you need to get maximum utilisation out of your vehicles. At the company I work for we currently have a double-shifted trunking vehicle working 7 days weekly covering 5,650 miles every 7 days. The modern terminology is ‘sweating the assets’.
I worked in a similar operation on a 6 day double shift operation until i was made redundant last march 
The units were all leased and the contract allowed 180000k/ms a year but they were all over that figure when they went back with penalties but a vehicle thats stood isn`t earning money
ramone:
Carryfast:
Saviem:
Hello all, simple fact, UK useage was far more intense in terms of utilisation, ton miles, and speed, than the rest of Europe. The Swedes could not believe what we did with the little F86, but it was perfect for 32ton operation, 192hp, legal 22ton payload, so manouverable it was untrue and economic, a gaffers and drivers motor all in one!! Can anyone suggest another that has fulfilled that role since?? Cheerio.For ‘intense’ read skinflint guvnors using underspecced,gutless,uncomfortable wagons to do more work than they were designed for.The role has’nt been fulfilled in recent years because Brit guvnors were finally dragged kicking and screaming into the real civilised world starting with trucks like the F88,DAF 2800 and F10/12.
So what made these “skinflint guvnors” buy F88,DAF 2800 and F10/12 when the British made vehicles were still available . The British manufacturers would be still in buisness if your theory was right as these “skinflint guvnors” would be still buying them.Who was it that actually did the dragging■■?
You’ve overlooked the issues of lead times required by the uk manufacturers to develop competitors to those trucks and by ‘dragging’ I was referring to those foreign operators,who were the ones that created the demand for the higher rate of development in the foreign manufacturers home markets and who then susequently proved by example the productivety benefits of using higher powered trucks and the more civilised working environment that they provided for their drivers.At the time of introduction of trucks like the DAF 2800,Volvo F88 and F10/12 the Brit operators were still under the mindset of using their typical old fashioned heaps as shown by the example of Bewick’s comments concerning his main thinking concerning truck specs during the 1970’s.There’s no way that the Brit manufacturers could develop trucks to compete with those foreign rivals with the type of demand for them in their home market which applied at the time.
Bewick:
The Bold “carryfast’s” in built time clock would appear to be somewhat retarded (just like him .so no change there then!) However,as I aquired my first two F88’s in circa March '76,which is by my calculation( hang on while I put my socks and wellies back on) is 35 years ago! So how can this be described as “recently”.obviously The Bold One must have been a stable hand when the Mail Coaches were running in the 17 hunreds and his grasp on time and reality is somewhat “different” to everyone elses!! Has the 2nd world war just finished or is it about to start,“carryfast”? I think your tickover needs adjusting son,pass me the screwdriver and would someone lift up his “syrup” over his left lug 'ole so I can get at the screw! Oh! is that daylight I can see?Cheers Bewick.
What was your reason for switching to Volvo and Scania Dennis and was you draged along to see the dealers or did you assess your needs and choose what in your opinion was the best vehicle for the job?
Hiya “ramone”,you do ask some difficult ones!! My change,although gradual,to Volvo and Scanias was for a number of reasons starting with factory built sleeper cabs and then gaining momentum with the poor quailty and reliability of the early Sed/Atks,mainly concerning Group axle failure,air filter positioning and other constant niggles! Compounding all these problems was the fact that I could buy Scanias cheaper than Sed/Atks or ERF’s although I did continue to buy British motors through to '84 but by this time the fleet was predominately Scania with a few “token” Volvos thrown in on account of their price!!! Hope this answer is satisfactory although I’m sure my “in house” consultant “carryfast” will no doubt elaborate!! Cheers Dennis.
Bewick:
Hiya “ramone”,you do ask some difficult ones!! My change,although gradual,to Volvo and Scanias was for a number of reasons starting with factory built sleeper cabs and then gaining momentum with the poor quailty and reliability of the early Sed/Atks,mainly concerning Group axle failure,air filter positioning and other constant niggles! Compounding all these problems was the fact that I could buy Scanias cheaper than Sed/Atks or ERF’s although I did continue to buy British motors through to '84 but by this time the fleet was predominately Scania with a few “token” Volvos thrown in on account of their price!!! Hope this answer is satisfactory although I’m sure my “in house” consultant “carryfast” will no doubt elaborate!! Cheers Dennis.
I always enjoy your posts Dennis and have genuine interest of what your thinking was on the vehicles you operated.
gingerfold:
Carryfast:
Saviem:
Hello all, simple fact, UK useage was far more intense in terms of utilisation, ton miles, and speed, than the rest of Europe. The Swedes could not believe what we did with the little F86, but it was perfect for 32ton operation, 192hp, legal 22ton payload, so manouverable it was untrue and economic, a gaffers and drivers motor all in one!! Can anyone suggest another that has fulfilled that role since?? Cheerio.For ‘intense’ read skinflint guvnors using underspecced,gutless,uncomfortable wagons to do more work than they were designed for.The role has’nt been fulfilled in recent years because Brit guvnors were finally dragged kicking and screaming into the real civilised world starting with trucks like the F88,DAF 2800 and F10/12.
Yes, “skinflint guvnors” there were. And it’s still the same today with regards to the intensity of operations. With road haulage margins being so slim you need to get maximum utilisation out of your vehicles. At the company I work for we currently have a double-shifted trunking vehicle working 7 days weekly covering 5,650 miles every 7 days. The modern terminology is ‘sweating the assets’.
That’s nothing new I was doing 400-500 mile trunks per shift before speed limiters but there’s no way that you could get that type of productivety with the average speeds provided by the type of power outputs that most British guvnors were speccing during the 1970’s. 
Carryfast:
gingerfold:
Carryfast:
Saviem:
Hello all, simple fact, UK useage was far more intense in terms of utilisation, ton miles, and speed, than the rest of Europe. The Swedes could not believe what we did with the little F86, but it was perfect for 32ton operation, 192hp, legal 22ton payload, so manouverable it was untrue and economic, a gaffers and drivers motor all in one!! Can anyone suggest another that has fulfilled that role since?? Cheerio.For ‘intense’ read skinflint guvnors using underspecced,gutless,uncomfortable wagons to do more work than they were designed for.The role has’nt been fulfilled in recent years because Brit guvnors were finally dragged kicking and screaming into the real civilised world starting with trucks like the F88,DAF 2800 and F10/12.
Yes, “skinflint guvnors” there were. And it’s still the same today with regards to the intensity of operations. With road haulage margins being so slim you need to get maximum utilisation out of your vehicles. At the company I work for we currently have a double-shifted trunking vehicle working 7 days weekly covering 5,650 miles every 7 days. The modern terminology is ‘sweating the assets’.
That’s nothing new I was doing 400-500 mile trunks per shift before speed limiters but there’s no way that you could get that type of productivety with the average speeds provided by the type of power outputs that most British guvnors were speccing during the 1970’s.
Point of order Herr Sturmbahnfuhrer! What is the mileage(roundtrip) between Milnthorpe and Hockliffe,Beds.I will accept your decision on the matter! Cheers Bewick.
Carryfast:
gingerfold:
Carryfast:
Saviem:
Hello all, simple fact, UK useage was far more intense in terms of utilisation, ton miles, and speed, than the rest of Europe. The Swedes could not believe what we did with the little F86, but it was perfect for 32ton operation, 192hp, legal 22ton payload, so manouverable it was untrue and economic, a gaffers and drivers motor all in one!! Can anyone suggest another that has fulfilled that role since?? Cheerio.For ‘intense’ read skinflint guvnors using underspecced,gutless,uncomfortable wagons to do more work than they were designed for.The role has’nt been fulfilled in recent years because Brit guvnors were finally dragged kicking and screaming into the real civilised world starting with trucks like the F88,DAF 2800 and F10/12.
Yes, “skinflint guvnors” there were. And it’s still the same today with regards to the intensity of operations. With road haulage margins being so slim you need to get maximum utilisation out of your vehicles. At the company I work for we currently have a double-shifted trunking vehicle working 7 days weekly covering 5,650 miles every 7 days. The modern terminology is ‘sweating the assets’.
That’s nothing new I was doing 400-500 mile trunks per shift before speed limiters but there’s no way that you could get that type of productivety with the average speeds provided by the type of power outputs that most British guvnors were speccing during the 1970’s.
It was the likes of you Carryfast that carved the job up.Starting the rate cutting by doing your 400-500 mile sprints as you call them.The demise of a good paying sector of the British haulier is down to drivers like yourself not the Guvnors .
Cheers Dave.
Bewick:
The Bold “carryfast’s” in built time clock would appear to be somewhat retarded (just like him .so no change there then!) However,as I aquired my first two F88’s in circa March '76,which is by my calculation( hang on while I put my socks and wellies back on) is 35 years ago! So how can this be described as “recently”.obviously The Bold One must have been a stable hand when the Mail Coaches were running in the 17 hunreds and his grasp on time and reality is somewhat “different” to everyone elses!! Has the 2nd world war just finished or is it about to start,“carryfast”? I think your tickover needs adjusting son,pass me the screwdriver and would someone lift up his “syrup” over his left lug 'ole so I can get at the screw! Oh! is that daylight I can see?Cheers Bewick.
Shows how far retarded you were then because the things had been in production since the 1960’s. 
But you’ve also said previously that your ideas during the 1970’s were more related to old Gardner powered Brit heaps, including the 180,during the 1970’s so make your mind up.But maybe you had a lottery in the yard amongst the drivers to decide who got the two Volvos and who got lumbered with old dogs.
Bewick:
Carryfast:
gingerfold:
Carryfast:
Saviem:
Hello all, simple fact, UK useage was far more intense in terms of utilisation, ton miles, and speed, than the rest of Europe. The Swedes could not believe what we did with the little F86, but it was perfect for 32ton operation, 192hp, legal 22ton payload, so manouverable it was untrue and economic, a gaffers and drivers motor all in one!! Can anyone suggest another that has fulfilled that role since?? Cheerio.For ‘intense’ read skinflint guvnors using underspecced,gutless,uncomfortable wagons to do more work than they were designed for.The role has’nt been fulfilled in recent years because Brit guvnors were finally dragged kicking and screaming into the real civilised world starting with trucks like the F88,DAF 2800 and F10/12.
Yes, “skinflint guvnors” there were. And it’s still the same today with regards to the intensity of operations. With road haulage margins being so slim you need to get maximum utilisation out of your vehicles. At the company I work for we currently have a double-shifted trunking vehicle working 7 days weekly covering 5,650 miles every 7 days. The modern terminology is ‘sweating the assets’.
That’s nothing new I was doing 400-500 mile trunks per shift before speed limiters but there’s no way that you could get that type of productivety with the average speeds provided by the type of power outputs that most British guvnors were speccing during the 1970’s.
Point of order Herr Sturmbahnfuhrer! What is the mileage(roundtrip) between Milnthorpe and Hockliffe,Beds.I will accept your decision on the matter! Cheers Bewick.
Try Heathrow to Killington Lake and back because that’s as far as the lazy zb doing the scotch change over wanted to go and Heathrow-Bristol-Heathrow-Bristol-Heathrow or Heathrow-Leicester-Heathrow-Leicester-Heathrow and you’d be close. 
Dave the Renegade:
Carryfast:
gingerfold:
Carryfast:
Saviem:
Hello all, simple fact, UK useage was far more intense in terms of utilisation, ton miles, and speed, than the rest of Europe. The Swedes could not believe what we did with the little F86, but it was perfect for 32ton operation, 192hp, legal 22ton payload, so manouverable it was untrue and economic, a gaffers and drivers motor all in one!! Can anyone suggest another that has fulfilled that role since?? Cheerio.For ‘intense’ read skinflint guvnors using underspecced,gutless,uncomfortable wagons to do more work than they were designed for.The role has’nt been fulfilled in recent years because Brit guvnors were finally dragged kicking and screaming into the real civilised world starting with trucks like the F88,DAF 2800 and F10/12.
Yes, “skinflint guvnors” there were. And it’s still the same today with regards to the intensity of operations. With road haulage margins being so slim you need to get maximum utilisation out of your vehicles. At the company I work for we currently have a double-shifted trunking vehicle working 7 days weekly covering 5,650 miles every 7 days. The modern terminology is ‘sweating the assets’.
That’s nothing new I was doing 400-500 mile trunks per shift before speed limiters but there’s no way that you could get that type of productivety with the average speeds provided by the type of power outputs that most British guvnors were speccing during the 1970’s.
It was the likes of you Carryfast that carved the job up.Starting the rate cutting by doing your 400-500 mile sprints as you call them.The demise of a good paying sector of the British haulier is down to drivers like yourself not the Guvnors
Cheers Dave.
If you think that was fast you should have seen how quick some of the other firms like Independent Express were going using even faster wagons.
Carryfast:
Dave the Renegade:
Carryfast:
gingerfold:
Carryfast:
Saviem:
Hello all, simple fact, UK useage was far more intense in terms of utilisation, ton miles, and speed, than the rest of Europe. The Swedes could not believe what we did with the little F86, but it was perfect for 32ton operation, 192hp, legal 22ton payload, so manouverable it was untrue and economic, a gaffers and drivers motor all in one!! Can anyone suggest another that has fulfilled that role since?? Cheerio.For ‘intense’ read skinflint guvnors using underspecced,gutless,uncomfortable wagons to do more work than they were designed for.The role has’nt been fulfilled in recent years because Brit guvnors were finally dragged kicking and screaming into the real civilised world starting with trucks like the F88,DAF 2800 and F10/12.
Yes, “skinflint guvnors” there were. And it’s still the same today with regards to the intensity of operations. With road haulage margins being so slim you need to get maximum utilisation out of your vehicles. At the company I work for we currently have a double-shifted trunking vehicle working 7 days weekly covering 5,650 miles every 7 days. The modern terminology is ‘sweating the assets’.
That’s nothing new I was doing 400-500 mile trunks per shift before speed limiters but there’s no way that you could get that type of productivety with the average speeds provided by the type of power outputs that most British guvnors were speccing during the 1970’s.
It was the likes of you Carryfast that carved the job up.Starting the rate cutting by doing your 400-500 mile sprints as you call them.The demise of a good paying sector of the British haulier is down to drivers like yourself not the Guvnors
Cheers Dave.If you think that was fast you should have seen how quick some of the other firms like Independent Express were going using even faster wagons.
I never said it was fast.I said you were carving the job up 
.
Carryfast:
Dave the Renegade:
Carryfast:
gingerfold:
Carryfast:
Saviem:
Hello all, simple fact, UK useage was far more intense in terms of utilisation, ton miles, and speed, than the rest of Europe. The Swedes could not believe what we did with the little F86, but it was perfect for 32ton operation, 192hp, legal 22ton payload, so manouverable it was untrue and economic, a gaffers and drivers motor all in one!! Can anyone suggest another that has fulfilled that role since?? Cheerio.For ‘intense’ read skinflint guvnors using underspecced,gutless,uncomfortable wagons to do more work than they were designed for.The role has’nt been fulfilled in recent years because Brit guvnors were finally dragged kicking and screaming into the real civilised world starting with trucks like the F88,DAF 2800 and F10/12.
Yes, “skinflint guvnors” there were. And it’s still the same today with regards to the intensity of operations. With road haulage margins being so slim you need to get maximum utilisation out of your vehicles. At the company I work for we currently have a double-shifted trunking vehicle working 7 days weekly covering 5,650 miles every 7 days. The modern terminology is ‘sweating the assets’.
That’s nothing new I was doing 400-500 mile trunks per shift before speed limiters but there’s no way that you could get that type of productivety with the average speeds provided by the type of power outputs that most British guvnors were speccing during the 1970’s.
It was the likes of you Carryfast that carved the job up.Starting the rate cutting by doing your 400-500 mile sprints as you call them.The demise of a good paying sector of the British haulier is down to drivers like yourself not the Guvnors
Cheers Dave.If you think that was fast you should have seen how quick some of the other firms like Independent Express were going using even faster wagons.
Obviously you wouldnt have been driving a TM at this point CF as Independent Express couldnt have been faster!!!
As you seem to gravitate from around Heathrow “carryfast” you want to be careful you dont get loaded into one of those cargo containers and shipped abroad! Lets see,somwhere nice and remote like Tristan da Cuna or Libya or Syria now that would give the Arabs something to really get “■■■■■■■ about if you turned up as an illeagal alien( in full arab regalia)!! Bewick.PS still awaiting your mileage estimate which I requested earlier.