That would be via a CIVIL court though - wouldn’t it?
that would come under “blatantly taking the proverbial” though i appreciate it wasn’t your cigarette ash and butts in the ash tray but someone had done it and left them there.
while we are on the subject of smoking in cabs, what happened when it was legal to do so. were all the seats covered in burn holes with ash and burn holes all over the dash and steering wheel?
When it was still legal to smoke in cabs, some did have burn marks, yes.
“What would have happened”?
Legally nowt.
Companies would have had their own rules.
The truck owner might well have given the careless driver a right rollocking, or ignored it.
How do you stand, or how does the firm stand, then if you get your old motor as a tramper, changed to a newer one and it absolutely stinks of cigarettes.
This happened to a lad at my lot’s, a non smoker, who told me after about a month he still can not get rid of the stink.
He reckons it is embedded in the roof lining and cab ‘walls’, and despite cleaning the steering wheel his hands stink at the end of his day.
I’m assuming he does not like confrontation so he just took it and said nothing. 
I would have thought as a duty of care they would be obliged to give the cab a deep clean valet.
Why a Civil Court?
If a fine is contested it would go to a Magistrate’s Court, wouldn’t it?
don’t know the lad but if they or he cleaned the steering wheel i find it hard to believe his hands smell.
I would of said the truck should of been deep cleaned properly before he took it over or the company got it. This is obviously something the guy cant do himself. I would of thought it would of been obvious if the cab had been cleaned properly or not.
a few years ago i had a bottle of milk explode in the boot of my car on a very hot summers day. I got the wet vac out and cleaned it as best i could and it still stank. I went to one of those pop up valet places and it still stank. in the end i found a chemical cleaning company dunno what they used that was different but it was fine after that.
Well he has tried to clean it himself, it is a lot better he says, but he can still smell it.
He asked me to get in,.and I could smell stale smoke in there.
As for the steering wheel…aint got a clue, I cant see any reason he would lie.
A bit like in the past I’ve been told…‘I smoked but made sure I had the windows open’ or ‘I used a (cheap) air freshner’.
Does not make a ■■■■ i
of a difference,.a non smoker will still smell it…maybe same thing with the steering wheel, …who knows.
Maybe if you are a smoker you are thinking it is all a big fuss over nothing, man up etc, but a non smoker takes a different view and should not be expected to put up with it.
no i cant stand the smell of air freshener or perfume so i understand (plus you didn’t grow up with my mother that when i visit makes me triple bag my dog ends and put them in the bottom of the outside bin)
as i said he wont be able to clean the smell out himself it will need proper proffestional cleaning
If he doesn’t want to rock the boat, that is his choice of course.
Local Authorities are responsible for enforcement.
Fines and penalties
Businesses can be fined up to £2,500 if they don’t stop people smoking in the workplace or up to £1,000 if they don’t display ‘no smoking’ signs.
Tell the local authority or the H&SE who will pass it across.
That would not endear him to the company.
Or rather (real world) talk to union? or talk to company first.
Anything beyond a conversation and co-operation will get very awkward and expensive for the company, and awkward for the driver.
He does have legal routes to follow, but possibly not an easy ride.
And there there lies the problem.
They want to do (or be SEEN to do) everything right and above board, and by the book…but only when it suits THEM.
Same old same old.
I suppose though on the other hand, the lad should have stood his ground and refused allocation of the motor, and the firm given a chance to put things right…however they were fully aware the last driver was a heavy smoker.
There I would agree with you. Refuse it on day one.
The company are in the wrong in not enforcing a no smoking law. Their weakness has made a problem.
No smoking law?
Ignoring the fact they should have made good the truck for the next driver, (if not by law by common decency ) I thought it was acceptable by law if it was one truck one driver and the driver was a smoker.
Or is it now totally no smoking in co vehicles by law ?
Doesn’t a mechanic put it in the workshop?
He uses it.
In the case above clearly Smokey Joe was in it Friday, and Sensible Cyril was in it Monday, so it is not a one driver vehicle! You just said so.
But you are correct that one driver vehicles can be exempt i believe.
Ok I get your point, but technically it was a one driver motor, or at least intended to be.
The first guy the smoker had it from new, so would have usually used it all the time as a tramper, and kept it until re.newed again.
A better model truck arrived in the yard,.and he asked for that one instead.
All.a bit academic, but just clarifying.
As for your mechanic, highly unlikely but he would have the option to ask a smoker mechanic to put it over the pit.
Ok…I’m being pedantic and argumentative…not at all like me.
Fair enough.
So, if they had actually given it a deep clean themselves, as I think you have already suggested, I would imagine, all would be well.
As it stands I don’t think it is legal.
But after a professional clean? I think it might be.
We do agree, I think, that it best to say your piece earlier on, in a cool calm manner. Don’t let the situation descend into a worse situation.
A lot depends on the company and their attitude, but the driver needs to stand up too.
If No Smoking were enforcable in law at the workplace, then there wouldn’t be this politically correct stance of “Smoking Sheds” provided “or there would be a walkout for infringing smokers rights” blah blah…
A properly enforced anti-smoking law - would simply not employ people who smoked - period!
The problem with “Lack of Faith” in anyone, is that if enough people dis-believe something, then others may actually end up dying BECAUSE they’ve had that disbelief touted upon them.
Surely a centerist way of dealing with what you “don’t believe is true” is to stay out of the argument, and let others decide for themselves…
Everyone who smokes - KNOWS that it isn’t doing them any good.
NOT everyone that takes jabs, lives a certain lifestyle, works a particular job, or even lives in a particular area EVER knows if what they are doing is directly harmful to their health and well-being because the facts are being not only obscured by others, but also downright LIED about by those same “Others”…
There’s no motive for “Conspiracy Theories” to be somehow “deliberately made-up lies/propaganda” - who benefits from that?
Many have been booted out for attempting to uphold “Conspiracy theories” - but what “Inquisitor Class” have ever been upheld for DOING that?
Conspiracy Theories are delusions, so whether they are deliberately made up, or simply the product of aberrant thinking, doesn’t seem to make much difference as far as I can see, either way they are symptomatic of a psychologically-ill modern society
It’s not a dillusion if you notice you’re getting worse off, the officials say “you’re not” but you know “you are…”
Take America’s “Non Farm Payrolls” report out every first friday of the month…
The Biden regime - likes to boast “We’ve added 304,000 net new jobs last month” whilst no one ever seems to know any of these huge crowd of people that make up that statistic…!
Who are they lying/talking to?
The Voters in any employment not normally affected by NFP I suggest…
“A Recession is when your neighbor loses their job, and cannot find another one.”
“A Depression is when YOU lose YOUR job - and there ISN’T another job to find!”