Coddy
Take that Halo down, 
So you think 180mph is ok and safe,do you? even if it is for pleasure or not.And you are on here preaching about Hgv drivers doing a few mph over the 50 mph speed limit. I am not Nit Picking,it is stating a fact about your double standards.Rant over 
Anyway, if you read my post I never mentioned the âA2â either.
B1 GGK:
I got tugged last week on the A55 for apparently being on the phone,
I was given the option of fixed penalty there and then or to go to court, I opted for the latter.
Details were âtakenâ on a pad and not in the book, phones were not confiscated for evidence even though I did offer, and no rights warning or caution was given to me.
I am currently awaiting my letter so I can go to court and laugh at Mr Policeman for being [zb] at his job.Just to add, I wasnt even on the phone, and the records from my phone and the work phone will prove that,
Didnt use the works phone that day and used mine 3 hours previous via Bluetooth.
Oh dear! 
Youâve got more faith in the justice system than I have, good luck though!
I donât quite understand how you can get fined for doing 56 in a 50. As far as I know, youâre allowed 10% + 1mph (or possibly 2) before you can get a ticket, so it shouldnât be a problem unless your limiter has been fiddled with
i think some people are missing the point here. Vosa are riding in police cars with the police. Its the police car that would stop u. the vosa cars are at check points at ewloe and holyhead. basically if u come along the whole length of the a55 you will be stopped at one of them ewloe or holyhead. or by the the police cars for speeding. there is know way out unless we all good boys n girls lol. last week holyhead was open 4 times your sposed to stop when passing here if open. ewloe was open all week and random lorries are stopped there. 
ye the 10% + 2 mile hour thingy i got told was upto the police forceâ â ?. i got done for doin 33 in a 30 in me car last year. some1 said earlier nwp tend to have zero tolorance! which seems to b true.
Melchett:
B1 GGK:
I got tugged last week on the A55 for apparently being on the phone,
I was given the option of fixed penalty there and then or to go to court, I opted for the latter.
Details were âtakenâ on a pad and not in the book, phones were not confiscated for evidence even though I did offer, and no rights warning or caution was given to me.
I am currently awaiting my letter so I can go to court and laugh at Mr Policeman for being [zb] at his job.Just to add, I wasnt even on the phone, and the records from my phone and the work phone will prove that,
Didnt use the works phone that day and used mine 3 hours previous via Bluetooth.Oh dear!
Cant do owt right them Poleeece,
Not even sent me a letter within 14 days,
Case closed 
B1 GGK:
Cant do owt right them Poleeece,
Not even sent me a letter within 14 days,
Case closed
I thought the 14 day thing was to notify you by post after an automated detection. Iâm sure they have three months to issue you a summons in your circumstances.
Mike-C:
B1 GGK:
Cant do owt right them Poleeece,
Not even sent me a letter within 14 days,
Case closedI thought the 14 day thing was to notify you by post after an automated detection. Iâm sure they have three months to issue you a summons in your circumstances.
Because I did not recieve a verbal caution or warning of arrest I was under the 14 day post ruling.
B1 GGK:
Mike-C:
B1 GGK:
Cant do owt right them Poleeece,
Not even sent me a letter within 14 days,
Case closedI thought the 14 day thing was to notify you by post after an automated detection. Iâm sure they have three months to issue you a summons in your circumstances.
Because I did not recieve a verbal caution or warning of arrest I was under the 14 day post ruling.
I do hope you donât rely on that as your defence.
B1 GGK:
I was given the option of fixed penalty there and then or to go to court, I opted for the latter.
B1 GGK:
Cant do owt right them Poleeece,
Not even sent me a letter within 14 days,
Case closed
A letter within 14 days is a NIP (notice of intended prosecution) & is sent when an offence is witnessed by a camera etc or if you were not stopped by the Police at the time of the offence. This is where the offer of a fixed penalty is made for minor traffic offences such as using a mobile. Not accepting a fixed penalty will, almost always, mean a trip to court with the prospect of a heavier fine should you be found guilty!
In your case you were stopped at the roadside so have basically âhadâ your NIP verbally & have refused the offer of a fixed penalty, so no need for any letter within 14 days, & chosen court!
The Poleeeece have 6 months (not 3) to lay information to a court so it could be even longer before you receive a summons.
Once in front of the maggies it will be your word against one of her majestys finest⌠like to bet who the magistrates will side with??
Melchett:
B1 GGK:
Cant do owt right them Poleeece,
Not even sent me a letter within 14 days,
Case closedA letter within 14 days is a NIP (notice of intended prosecution) & is sent when an offence is witnessed by a camera etc or if you were not stopped by the Police at the time of the offence. This is where the offer of a fixed penalty is made for minor traffic offences such as using a mobile. Not accepting a fixed penalty will, almost always, mean a trip to court with the prospect of a heavier fine should you be found guilty!
In your case you were stopped at the roadside so have basically âhadâ your NIP verbally & have refused the offer of a fixed penalty, so no need for any letter within 14 days, & chosen court!
The Poleeeece have 6 months (not 3) to lay information to a court so it could be even longer before you receive a summons.
Once in front of the maggies it will be your word against one of her majestys finest⌠like to bet who the magistrates will side with??
Exactly, Notice of Intended,
At the side of the road I was not given notice,
For him to do that he would have had to say
âYou are under arrest/caution âŚâ
By which he would would need evidence, he would have had the right to take my phone as evidence and data from the tacho to match records, he didnt even though I offered.
As this goes, it is merely my word against his, and that will not stand in court as he was on his own and I find it very hard to believe a camera could have got a photo due to the angles involved (had I of course had a phone in my hand) so there nullifies that option.
Bare in mind I have an old friend who is doing well on the career path of the local force, I would say his advice is more credable than what I have found on internet forums.
Exactly, Notice of Intended,
At the side of the road I was not given notice,
For him to do that he would have had to say
âYou are under arrest/caution âŚâ
By which he would would need evidence, he would have had the right to take my phone as evidence and data from the tacho to match records, he didnt even though I offered.
As this goes, it is merely my word against his, and that will not stand in court as he was on his own and I find it very hard to believe a camera could have got a photo due to the angles involved (had I of course had a phone in my hand) so there nullifies that option.Bare in mind I have an old friend who is doing well on the career path of the local force, I would say his advice is more credable than what I have found on internet forums.
No probs, Iâve no intention of having an argument with you & I havenât got the time to go through everything that is wrong in that post!
Good luck to you.
I hope you keep us updated if you receive a summons, hopefully your âold friendâ will have more of a clue when it comes to presenting your defence 
Melchett:
Exactly, Notice of Intended,
At the side of the road I was not given notice,
For him to do that he would have had to say
âYou are under arrest/caution âŚâ
By which he would would need evidence, he would have had the right to take my phone as evidence and data from the tacho to match records, he didnt even though I offered.
As this goes, it is merely my word against his, and that will not stand in court as he was on his own and I find it very hard to believe a camera could have got a photo due to the angles involved (had I of course had a phone in my hand) so there nullifies that option.Bare in mind I have an old friend who is doing well on the career path of the local force, I would say his advice is more credable than what I have found on internet forums.
No probs, Iâve no intention of having an argument with you & I havenât got the time to go through everything that is wrong in that post!
Good luck to you.I hope you keep us updated if you receive a summons, hopefully your âold friendâ will have more of a clue when it comes to presenting your defence
Please, do tell.
B1 GGK:
Please, do tell.
Oh alright, youâve talked me into it but I think Iâm wasting my time.
I was given the option of fixed penalty there and then or to go to court, I opted for the latter.
So there is your notice of intended prosecution, youâve been advised it may go to court.
At the side of the road I was not given notice
Yes you were, no need for it to be writen! See above.
For him to do that he would have had to say
âYou are under arrest/caution âŚâ
No he wouldnât!!! a) he wasnât arresting you & b) You have already received the caution, see above!
By which he would would need evidence
He has evidence⌠he will say he you were âhandling a mobile phoneâ & thatâs enough. Your phone records may help to prove that you were not making/receiving a call but you could have been checking for texts, deleting texts or whatever! Having the phone in your hand is enough for a conviction as I know only too well!!!
As this goes, it is merely my word against his, and that will not stand in court as he was on his own
As I said, once in front of the magistrates who do you think they will believeâ â ? He has no need for a witness.
Again, good luck
Melchett:
Again, good luck
Thank you.
Why did he write my details on the front of his book (the brown cover that has the Heddlu logo on) and not in the book? Surely if he wants to record all the correct details then he would have put them in the book He didnt even write the time on the pad, surely a critical part of the prosecution?
He said I was on the phone, not handling, I told him I can get records to say when I was on my phone to which he said
âYour bill only shows you calls madeâ,
I can get a full log of inâs outâs and textâs from my provider.
I even bet him a year of my wages against a year of his that he was wrong and I am 100% innocent,
I will go a years wages against you that I get no conviction from this.
I was told by my friend that some forces use a points marking system for officers in some depts, traffic being 1 dept that has used such a system to show that PC Volvo driver aint just sat in Maccies reading the paper, he couldnt say whether NWP use such a system but I am sure that bullyboy antics may get them a couple of plus points if they are slacking.
Would the traffic commisioner have to be involved? He said that they will also be paying me a visit once notified.
The whole thing just doesnt add up, and didnt feel right at the time, too many flaws IMO.
B1 GGK
Sounds like you will get away with it, fingers crossed. Like you say too many flaws.
I just love some of the crap advice given on some sites, make me laugh to think some people believe what they say is gospel lol⌠
B1 GGK:
I got tugged last week on the A55 for apparently being on the phone,
I was given the option of fixed penalty there and then or to go to court, I opted for the latter.
Details were âtakenâ on a pad and not in the book, phones were not confiscated for evidence even though I did offer, and no rights warning or caution was given to me.
I am currently awaiting my letter so I can go to court and laugh at Mr Policeman for being [zb] at his job.Just to add, I wasnt even on the phone, and the records from my phone and the work phone will prove that,
Didnt use the works phone that day and used mine 3 hours previous via Bluetooth.
You details can be taken on a pad they donât have to go in a book, Phones arenât siezed as evidence there is no need. the only thing he hasnât done is caution you , yet you prove he didânt. because i bet in his file he says he did and you made no reply.
Notice of intended prosecution are only for certain offences them being.
When should you get one?
The following offences require (under Section 1 of the Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988 - youâll find the whole Act here) that you be given notice of the fact that you may be prosecuted:-
a) Dangerous Driving
b) Careless & Inconsiderate driving
c) Leaving a vehicle in a dangerous place
d) Dangerous cycling
e) Careless & Inconsiderate cycling
f) Failing to conform with the indication of a police officer when directing traffic
g) Failing to comply with a traffic sign
h) Exceeding temporary speed restrictions imposed by s 14 of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984
i) Exceeding speed restrictions on a special road
j) Exceeding temporary speed limit imposed by order
k) Speeding offences generally
He may tell the traffic commissioner as you are a professional driver that is regulated by them.
I take it your friend is high up in his/her police force then?
With regrds the OP vosa have travelled with cops for years as its seen as easier for the 2 to deal with people in one go.
Greg:
You details can be taken on a pad they donât have to go in a book, Phones arenât siezed as evidence there is no need. the only thing he hasnât done is caution you , yet you prove he didânt. because i bet in his file he says he did and you made no reply.I take it your friend is high up in his/her police force then?
The details went on the front of the book, on the cover, why not put the details in the book? Surely they have to go in sometime? Why did he not PNC me or the vehicle, For all he knows I could have given a blag name and address, He didnt ask for my licence or any ID to verify who I was.
The phone could have been taken and used as evidence, and as I offered it then if the PC is certain I was on it why would he refuse the chance of hard evidence?
Too many flaws for me.
They have shifted up a few ranks in their career.
Coddy:
Kerbdog:
mike68:
**** me you all know the rules and yet you you still moan, 50 on a dual 40 on a single 60 on the M way, and turn of the ******* front fog lights, professional drivers my arse if itâs to much to take in **** *** and do something else and stop making the rest of us looking like amateurs.Do you really think that the 6mph extra is such a real crime on the A55 ? Maybe around Colwyn Bay or Mold areaâs but not for most of it. Just like the A75. Some parts of that road are wide enough to be 3 lanes each way for miles upon miles, they are also straight as a ruler with no junctions, 40mph is too slow in a modern truck on that type of road. The speed limits were set years ago and havenât evolved like the trucks. Also, take a look at how dangerous Mr. car or Mr. van driver become when they are stuck behind you doing 40mph on a road they can do 60mph on. They take a lot more risks and safety goes out of the window when they canât wait any longer to get past you.
Well the law says 50, so to my mind that means 50âŚ
You are most prob right an extra 6mph means sod all, after all you must save ohhhh 6 minutes (if that an hour)
BUT we dont make the rules, and VOSA enforce them, so they can earn cash, now to my mind again, I aint paying VOSA a penny, I dont want points on MY license, not now, Ive grown upâŚ
Well lets put it another way, what difference does the 6mph extra that a truck does on a Dual Carriageway when it has to âbrakeâ, that extra 6 mile an hour is hardly going to be a massive difference. Some trucks are empty and some trucks are empty so this has more of a bearing on it than a lousy 6 mile an hour, however over a day that 6 miles each hour could mean that a truck going back and forth down a dual carriageway tipping and loading 20 miles away could get an extra 2 runs in each way. I drove down the East Lancs Road tonight at 50mph and got cut up by more cars that are too impatient to wait behind me for their exit or turn by about 100% than i do if Im doing 58mph which is what my truck does. Surely this causes more danger than the 6mph. So you see, there is a big difference.
B1 GGK:
Greg:
You details can be taken on a pad they donât have to go in a book, Phones arenât siezed as evidence there is no need. the only thing he hasnât done is caution you , yet you prove he didânt. because i bet in his file he says he did and you made no reply.I take it your friend is high up in his/her police force then?
The details went on the front of the book, on the cover, why not put the details in the book? Surely they have to go in sometime? Why did he not PNC me or the vehicle, For all he knows I could have given a blag name and address, He didnt ask for my licence or any ID to verify who I was.
The phone could have been taken and used as evidence, and as I offered it then if the PC is certain I was on it why would he refuse the chance of hard evidence?
Too many flaws for me.They have shifted up a few ranks in their career.
B1 GGK
There is no need for your details to go in his book, that is for his notes and he can put as little or as much as he wants in there, they donât have to go in at all if he doesnât wish. All he needs to summons you is your name and address (which he wrote down). he will of PNCâd your vehicle before stopping you i would imagine and also checked that it has insurance, yes you could have given him a blag name and address however lets face it you wonât be that hard to find if he needs too will you after all he knows who you work for. Mobile phones are not taken as evidence as the service provider will give far better evidence and detail than your mobile will, eg you can set the time and date wrong etc, so it is not hard evidence, that comes from the phone company,
Was he on his own? did he have an in car video? from what i see there arenât many flaws if you are relying on what is above to be honest.
With the greatest respect to you and your friend if they have moved up several ranks in there career that will have taken a few years and so might i suggest it is a while since your friend worked on the streets where things change on a daily basis, it is very easy to become out of touch with every day things when promoted. My ex took advice from a solicitor friend about CSA and thought that she was bomb proof (told me i had to pay this and that), her friend was about 10 years out of date and she shot herself in the foot big time compared to what she got and what she thought she could get. (sorry just an example that good intentions are not always correct)