W.H.WILLIAMS (spennymoor)

JAKEY:
Hi Carl , thankyou for the kind thoughts, plenty of quotes going out as I write, but Robinsons are hitting the market hard with £700 plus plus jobs for two days :open_mouth: , its not funny being told they are cheaper than us , then they ring me to help them with porter etc because there men are leaving because of low wages :open_mouth: ,to top it off they take 3 months to pay me !!! :imp:

Hi Jakey

Over the years we dealt with a few companies that went into liquidation and ended up getting nothing, as in fact the hundreds of subcontractors we used did.

It is a worry as what is the point of working if one day you find nothing gets paid. I can understand where we did work for companies and they waited to get paid for two to three months, and so did not pay us for three months. However we both know that there is no credit allowed on household removals and so in theory,if you are in this trade, you should not need extended credit terms. If you use your own staff, you have to pay wages and I would be inclined to be anxious in case they are using your services as a means of borrowing money.

I assume you do not have insurance to cover if your customers default from payment, and therefore would recomend you have a credit check done of customers that are taking 3 months to pay, and depending on the results you consider either taking out insurance or decline their offers of work if the credit check is unfavorable.Remember the recent new removals management company formed by Pickfords. Did all their creditors receive payment in full?

Carl

What went wrong?

Part 4 Thorn part 2
Over the years working for Thorn we carried Florescent lighting fittings, Radiograms, Fridges fridge/Freezers, Freezers (Both chest and upright) Electric cookers, Gas Cookers, washing machines, dishwashers, microwave ovens and clothes air dryers. (basically a frame where you put your washing with a fan heater facing up to fully dry your clothes).All these products to some degree made in Spennymoor, augmented by some imported products for delivery through the Thorn sales network. The most unusual product made that I remember delivering was the bottle top screw cap for the glass Lucazade bottles. (No doubt a relic from the original Smart and Brown manufacturing)
We were involved with delivering into the site bought in products used in the manufacture of the finished product and I spent a week or so driving round the site with one of our small vans with a team of workers collecting any waste cardboard and other waste scattered round the site.
Products left Spennymoor with Atlas lighting, Echo Lighting, Ferguson, HMV, Tricity, Moffat, Bendix and numerous other trade names used by Electricity boards etc. as budget brands. We even loaded gas cookers, made at Spennymoor with Hoover as the trade name. (In this instance Hoover insisted that these products were delivered on vehicles in our cream/brown livery so that there was no direct evidence that they were made by Thorn and we charged Hoover directly for our charges)
My memory does not really go back to the Radiogram deliveries but Dad said we took so many to Scotland for instance that every member of the Scottish population. However before the start of manufacture of fridges, after the radiograms had finished was light fittings, and from a very early age I can remember sitting in the cab as we loaded in the old Nissan hut style warehouses and loading docks, a remnant of the old munitions factory that survived into the eighties.
For thirteen years, starting 1957 we had a load each day of light fittings to take to Thorn’s Leeds depot bringing back any goods left there by others for Spennymoor and any North East deliveries but most Southern Deliveries were sent out as return loads with Thorn paying £20 per to London for example with Lebus furniture’s Mercantile Transport doing many loads. Jeakin’s Removals from Romford were another regular. It was work we could have as much as we wanted, but could not get return load work from the South, so only took up the offer if we had a removal booked from the south and needed an empty van sending down for it. I remember in 1957 Thorn paid us £15 per load to Leeds and back with extra £3 if we did an extra drop en route.
Dad told many stories of strange activities from there including taking stock to a warehouse at Newton Aycliffe Industrial estate where they had warehousing and Sunderland where they had a massive warehouse. In dad’s opinion money was wasted as in most cases they took the products there and once they were there took them back again. In the case of Sunderland bricklayers were employed in building a massive brick wall splitting the warehouse and before the builders had finished others were demolishing the work, waiting for the bricklayers to finish before they knocked it down.
Things changed in 1960 when they started making fridges. Thorn already had their own vehicles and drivers delivering cooker production and realising they were not efficiently using either staff or vehicles decided to use us for the fridge production especially as our vans could carry about 120, three high on each load. Production and our work went mad as the population all wanted a fridge and the sixties proved a very busy decade for us.

When Thorn first took over Smart & brown (Engineering) Ltd Jules Thorn’s nephew, Danny Neil was appointed as the Managing Director. Apparently he was extremely cleaver and was able to make sketches of the machinery and layout other manufacturers based abroad that he visited from time to time and bring them back to Spennymoor where he worked with their toolmakers to copy and improve their manufacturing systems. Alec Ellis, his assistant took over when we moved Danny Neal south to take over management of another factory.
Once again Ellis was a wise manager of the company having learnt his trade after many years at Spennymoor. On his retirement the site and his job was split into Lighting and Domestic Appliances and at the same time Domestic Appliance control was taken away to Havant the HQ of Kenwood another member of Thorn EMI Domestic Appliances, making Spennymoor a plant that was in practice managed and controlled by management 350 miles away.

To be continued

Retired Old ■■■■:
I’m glued to this informative and very honest account of your family’s business, Carl. Looking forward to the next episode.

Hi
I am pleased you are enjoying my writing. The latest series that sets out what went wrong and why we stopped trading and went into liquidation is pretty heavy going and I thought it might be boring and uninteresting, but it will be comprehensive and accurate and I will tell all I definatly know. There are times when I feel bribery and corruption may have taken place by others but I do not definatly know so in that respect I will keep my thoughts and opinions to myself, others that read this might draw their own conclusions, which might or might not be correct.

However think it will be an unique account and perhaps something telling a story that many on here, who’s business has ended, either by selling out or coming to a sudden end.

i have , just yeserday posted another part of the Thorn segment and have waited to reply to you until that was posted.

Carl

Bedford Marsden KF caught on Motorway

What went wrong?

Part 3 Thorn part 3

It is difficult to imagine how large the Smart & Brown factory had become in Spennymoor. As I have already said it all started from the former munitions factory that had been set up during the Second World War and again as I already have said massive Nissan Huts still survived in use in what eventually became the bottom of the site until well into the eighties. Low Spennymoor and Merrington Lane was an area with streets and streets of terraced house which were condemned and demolished with a whole community rehoused mostly in the new Besemer Park Estate, and the area the size of a large village was built on as the factory increased in size. One week whilst I was on holiday from school I spent driving one of our small vans round the site with three of Thorn’s staff collecting cardboard and salvage scattered here and there, which was a job we regularly did for them. Seeing every ■■■■ and cranny around and between the buildings illustrated the huge maze the various workshops created.

I already have told, on this thread, of the problems we experienced of theft of domestic appliances with the involvement of many of our drivers and at the same time massive theft came to light directly off the estate. Staff sales was a big industry, where ‘staff’ could buy Thorn products at greatly discounted prices, and even more popular was the sale of seconds and slight damaged appliances. We regularly had products loaded for ‘transit test’ where they made the return journey on our vehicles and after being returned to Spennymoor were tested to see if they had travelled well and see if packaging needed improving. These were then passed on as ‘slight seconds ‘and sold by Staff Sales although they were perfect, but as they had been transit tested it was felt that they could not then be sent out as new.

As you can imagine staffs third cousin of your great uncles daughter arranged to buy products using their staff relative or friend. Most of our customers’ management arranged, though us to buy cheap appliances. I don’t think Thorn minded this as it is most probable that they made more profit on staff sales than they made on the wholesale prices they sold their goods that we delivered. However Staff Sales created another problem. People with cars and small vans had to be admitted onto the site to visit and load their goods at the Staff Sales shop, and this led to temptation and opportunity for theft.

The solution for this was to hire five of our small vans with drivers and porters to collect each Saturday the week’s staff sales and deliver them to the homes of the purchasers throughout Durham County and Teeside, and at the same time stopping all vehicles except wagons delivering or loading from the site. Anyone wishing to enter had to park in the huge car parks on the exterior of the site and walk in through a security manned gateway. I always remember a song about a worker at the Chevy factory were they took out the parts one by one over several years and built their own car. I am sure cookers and fridges were made the same way from Smart & Browns or ‘The Factory’ as it was locally known. It was incredible that they were never able to reconcile the number of appliances made against the number of appliances stored and sold. Stock takes within 10,000 were considered acceptable.

When we started delivering fridges in the sixties it, difficult as it is to imagine was seasonable. They built up stock in the winter months and sold in the summer. Obviously this was difficult for us to manage as there were periods when we were very slack and others when we were very busy. I can remember times when we had very little to do and then after a day or so of sunshine sales soared.
Over the years we loaded fridges from all over the site. I remember at one time until they created a loading bay at one shop where they were manufacturing in the early days management and production workers wheeling fridges out, with sack barrows from a fire door where we could park a van next to. Eventually DA shop was built, a purpose built fridge factory with loading bays for about 10 vehicles on virgin land, at the top of the site.

When originally Smart & Brown moved in after the war there were one or two other manufactures who joined them on the new Industrial Estate. One by one they went and Thorn took over the premises. The last to do so was Siemens who when eventually moved Thorn took over what was names as ‘K Shop’ and converted into a massive warehouse for domestic appliances with many loading docks and the area between it and the newly built admin office block was cleared to make very adequate parking for vehicles waiting to load. In its time, I believe it was the largest warehouse in the UK.

When the seventies arrived fridge sales had stabilised as most homes had by that time bought and were using them, and purchasing was more throughout the year as they stopped working and people bought a new one, and they had become an indispensable part of the modern kitchen. Thorn had decided to maintain demand and production with built in obsolescence. The products were good and would last many years, but once everyone had a fridge demand would dry up. I do know this was solved and although I am not sure what was done on fridges, freezers etc. I do know how the problem was solved in the cookers. The wiring was hidden deep inside the structure, making it impossible to rewire. As time went by and the heat drying the wiring it wore and came detached at the point where it emerged from the appliance. It was found that by pulling a little bit more wire through it was possible to cut off the end and bear the new ends and refix. By stretching the wire and using the minimum possible (saving costs at the same time) once it became brittle there was insufficient wire to repair and it tended to retreat inside the structure once the end was freed, after being stretched. Without wire the appliance was unreparable.

We were now in the Common Market and that and what happened from then on brought more, different problems for us. I had appeared on television and given a talk on Britain and the Common Market (EEC). Somewhere I have a video (Not VHF or BETEC but Phillips format which frustratingly I have not been able to revue). However I remember the gist to what I said, as I expected our vehicles to be as familiar delivering in European towns and cities as we did in UK. How wrong I was as in the event we only did removals and several loads of specialist new furniture overseas. Spennymoor made appliances did not sell overseas and the import of products by the likes of Zanussi was a large factor to events that happened in late 1985. However that was just one factor that caused such problems as we faced at Thorn in the eighties. In any event it changed my views on the EEC over the years and where I was pro I now take the view we should get out.

To be continued

BMC Laird Boxvan. Surely the Laird must have been the Morris Marina of Commercials.

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Carl Williams:
BMC Laird Boxvan. Surely the Laird must have been the Morris Marina of Commercials.

Better than it’s predecessor the FJ Carl, they bankrupted more than one operator! A lot of the engine and clutch problems had been ironed out when the Laird appeared, though they were much better when returned to the vertical position in the Boxer where the cooling system performed as it should and gave very little trouble, a few even made it around the clock.

Pete.

windrush:

Carl Williams:
BMC Laird Boxvan. Surely the Laird must have been the Morris Marina of Commercials.

Better than it’s predecessor the FJ Carl, they bankrupted more than one operator! A lot of the engine and clutch problems had been ironed out when the Laird appeared, though they were much better when returned to the vertical position in the Boxer where the cooling system performed as it should and gave very little trouble, a few even made it around the clock.

Pete.

Hi Pete,

Thank heavens we never had an FJ. Surely it couldn’t be worse than the Laird?
We were also conned into buying two new Boxers telling us they had put things right the first RPT603M with one of their useless engines. The second S reg had the Perkins engine, and we inherited 4 Boxers with Perkins engines when we took over the ATM fleet, again with Perkins. Although the Perkins engines were OK in our Seddons and Dodge rigids they again were very bad in the ‘Leylands’ (BMC).
You say ‘A few made it round the clock’ 90% of our Bedford rigids did over 300,000 miles before needing new short motors.
With the wonderful Lynx tractor units we unfortunately made a sad mistake in buying I hate to think how much British Leyland cost us

Carl

I was recently writing about the Seddon Pennine passenger chassis use in the Removal Trade on another site.
The reason they were popular is that they ticked most boxes.
Being a coach chassis they could accommodate a maximum length body without needing a wheelbase extension, and gave a softer ride for fragile loads.
The engine was easily accessible from the front, unlike most coach chassis that were mid engines under the body. The GVW was 13 ton, right weight for furniture.
The front wheels set back (Designed to facilitate passengers boarding coaches) gave great movrebility and made easier to access tight spots with such a large van.
Downside we found was we could buy 3 Bedfords to 2 Seddons as they were expensive chassis.
Although reliable were no better and achieved less mileage per engine than Bedfords.
Fuel consumption was about 8% down on Bedfords and parts were more expensive.
Eddie you ran one what did you think?

What went wrong?

Part 3 Thorn part 4

Thorn had particular poor industrial relations during the late 60’s and 70’s, with strikes, work to rules and overtime bans almost every day. Shifts would often start, at seven thirty in the morning to be told to go out in the car park at about half past nine for a mass meeting, where with a show of hands it was ‘Everyone Out’. Most workers didn’t know why they were on strike but I suppose it was a sign of the times. Our vans came back and of course as the factory was on strike were unable to load. In those days we never laid anyone off, finding them whatever work we could, usually a tin of paint with a paint brush painting wheels and touching up scratches. Another occupation, in those days was washing vans by hand using Flash in buckets of water to remove built in grime. In those days, long before detergents were used in vehicle washing machines we just used a hose with a brush attached to a hose using clear water, and grime built up over time.

Trade unions were given extreme power on Thorns site, and the inevitable happened that the allowed shop stewards to sit in the site entrance with the security guards to check union membership of anyone wishing to enter the site without a union card. Our drivers were stopped and we were given a week to get everyone joined up to the TWGU or we no longer would be able to load.

For years there had been a conflict between our drivers and Thorn’s own drivers who quietly complained to our drivers that they were ruining the job, as we did a load that was taking their drivers three, sometimes four days, quite legally in one. Although Thorn had about 15 vehicles running in Spennymoor they had no transport manager, as such. Both Syd Hardy, and Stan Bradley, who were described as such had never sat in a cab and had no knowledge of how long a journey would take. Driving on a holiday would worry both of them for weeks before, and had no control over the time their drivers took to do the work, so the drivers tended to have a free for all and worried that their jobs might be ruined if anyone ever realised what they actually were doing.

We had an urgent meeting with TGWU and they left membership forms with us so that we would get them filled in and completed and we also agreed that we would collect union fees directly from the pay packet and pay them directly. Dad had a problem as he asked them could he become a member of the union as he regularly drove vans over to the factory and he would need to be a member to pass through the gates. After a week of consideration they decided that he could not become a member and gave dispensation so that both he and I could take vans in. One of the best things we did was agreeing to collect the union fees for them, as minor disagreements were immediately forgotten when we explained we could always stop doing this and they knew their biggest problem was collecting fees and seeing there were no areas amongst their membership.
It is my opinion that union membership ever did any good for our drivers, and certainly the Thorn drivers who wanted to slow down our drivers had no success with TGWU.

I was fortunate in life that at an early age I found I had aptitude for arithmetic, which led to me eventually achieving ‘A Level’ in Mathematics. As soon as I officially joined the business I put my mind to how we could improve efficiency. It was obvious that drivers were working at different rates and some did a lot more than others. I asked dad, ‘If a driver could do a third more work in his time would you be prepared to pay him accordingly’. His answer was ‘Yes, of course.’ I had an advantage in my life that I had ridden in vans for most of my years and had started driving our small vans as soon as I reached 17. I knew what was possible and I knew what I had done myself with a small van. When I started considering things in 1966 we paid by the hour, 8 hours per day single time 1 ½ times over and double time on a Sunday. They were paid a fixed 11 hours for each night they were away from home and a minimum of 8 hours the next day) As I said Thorn refrigeration had greatly increased our traffic and we had already broken dad’s golden rule that you shouldn’t work on a Sunday and it was now normal that vans loaded for London and South Coast travelled down on a Sunday afternoon, to start delivering first thing Monday morning, which enabled us to get an extra journey a week out of a van, but we were still working with ‘A licences’ before the Operator’s Licence system was introduced and although we had been successful with each application to increase the number of vehicles we operated, each extra vehicle needed more capital expenditure.

I needed to know exactly what was happening, so I bought two Service Recorders. (The forerunner of the tachograph) and secretly fitted these hidden in various vehicles from time to time. Vans were parked up at three o’clock in an afternoon, on occasion in Edinburgh for instance so that a two day job took three. Working back I calculated that if we paid a rate of 30 miles per hour and 1 hour per drop we could pay the slowest driver the same as he was earning before, and if he did extra and work a little harder he could potentially improve their wages by 30%. They were also paid the hours they were in the depot but had to clock on and clock off. In preparation we bought a new clocking machine and time cards.
I had dad’s agreement but how to convince the drivers. We were fortunate at that time as they were not in the union, which was for their benefit, and I spoke to each separately and explained to them. Obviously they talked it over with each other and were still unconvinced so I offered to put my money were my mouth was and tell them if they gave it a go for 4 weeks I would pay which ever method (Old hourly rate or new price per mile etc.) Two did not accept and carried on as normal but the rest found they had a massive pay increase, be it in most cases they were doing a lot more work.

In effect this still gave them the same percentage (about 34%) of vehicle earning but the vans were earning a lot more money and we got through a lot more work, giving the same effect as putting a third more vans on the road. However that was before motorways when the speed limit was 30 mph. As time went on as our margins were squeezed as I will tell later we had to go up to 33 mph and reduce delivery times down nearer to 30 min per drop, and when tacographs were introduced it was out of date as we needed to get nearer the hours worked
Once again my arithmetical ability came in handy about the same time. UK was experiencing the start of inflation and we were having difficulty with the rates that Thorn were paying. I set about working out the individual costs that made up our charges and we needed 24% increase to give us a genuine rate. Setting it out clearly we sent it to Alec Ellis the managing director of Smart & Brown Engineering Ltd asking him for his help and advice and for the first time I went with dad to a meeting with Ellis. He said he had passed my calculations to their Cost Accountants and they entirely agreed with my figures and agreed to 24% increase in charges as everyone agreed it was not in Thorn’s interests that we should cut corners as that could only reduce the standard of service. These calculations served as a template for our rates for the next 20 years. As diesel and wages went up and any other cost by slotting in the new costs we could easily see the rate increases we needed.

As our workforce increased in size we got more trouble makers in our drivers and industrial relations got quite bad at times, It was a shame because nearly every driver will say today, once we finished they never got a job as good again, but like most things the majority are quiet and get on with their job and don’t attend union meetings and when they do it is the noisy ones who take over and cause trouble, and in every case that I ever found these were the people who were lazy and didn’t like working.

As I said earlier we were unionised because of Thorn being a closed shop and in my opinion the TGWU did not represent their members. For instance sleeper cabs were blacklisted and I never can understand why the tachograph was so easily accepted. If I had been a driver I can understand why they would not have wanted ‘The Spy In The Cab’ but when the time came there was no resistance.
For my part I was again looking at wages. Pay according to the tachograph would have greatly reduced our wages as a percentage of turnover (But not as low as 17%). Looking at that and giving drivers bonus on vehicle cleanliness, Fuel consumption, no accidents and number of return loads would have put them to where they were, in most cases. Most of this particularly fuel consumption bonus would have been self-financing as it could only be achieved by less flogging and better driving which not only would have cut our diesel costs but also our wear and tear, but the union would not even discuss and had I had cooperation it might have retained the jobs.

1973 marked a huge change with our work with Thorn. John Davison left Davisons Transport Shildon (Direct Transport ) and bought three new Volvo tractor units and 5 40ft flat trailers. Also armed with my costing that had been agreed Smart & Brown cost accountants had carried out an exercise of how much it was costing to run their own vehicles. They concluded they needed to get rid of their own drivers in as friendly fashion as they could as soon as possible and it was arranged that we would buy their vehicles.

To be continued

The memory is the strangest thing.

Here is a photo of one of our curtainsider trailers. I can just about remember that we had three built, with cream and brown curtains as seen, and had the front and back sign written, but the curtains were not, yet I cannot remember when or how they were built. I presume after the closure of Courtaulds we had not much use for the platform 40 foot trailers and sent three to Boalloy and had them converted to Tautliners, but I just cannot remember, and I cannot remember why or what work they were used for.

The photo is very unclear can anyone identify what ake the tractor unit is?

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I am almost sure that this is a Bedford SB (passenger chassis) with integral body by Marsden. The siding cab door over te front wheel gives it away. We had to phase them out because they were only plated at 9.5 ton GVW, which only gave them 5 ton legal carrying capacity which was near the knucle, but the biggest worry was they were very easy to overload on the front axle, and we got caught on one occasion. It was a shame, because although by the time the last one went, although quite old they all had been in very good condition with years life left in them, and we had a fortunes worth of new parts in our parts department, including several radiators several sets of springs, compressors etc. They had been wonderful vehicles for us, so simple to work on and so reliable, but we could not risk our operators licence by getting pulled in again and found to have the front axle overloaded.

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Carl,

Your prose is very interesting,have you thought about a book,you have probably already written the first few pages on this site!

Keep it up,most enthralling insight into your business,

David :slight_smile: :slight_smile:

5thwheel:
Carl,

Your prose is very interesting,have you thought about a book,you have probably already written the first few pages on this site!

Keep it up,most enthralling insight into your business,

David :slight_smile: :slight_smile:

Hi David,

It was an idea I had toyed with before I started writing in Trucknet. In fact I wrote what I believe could be the first chapter, however I am not well enough to continue. I can write small pieces, like I have on here and am very pleased I have done so, as long as my memory has allowed me. I surpose I live in the past and cannot put it into chronological order. I have tried to continue my ‘book’ with chapter two but cannot manage. I personally think it is a shame as there is a lot that would not only interest Road Transport enthusiasts , but also there is a lot of history of County Durham that could be of interest to the wider public, particularly people who lived in the 60’s to 80’s in County Durham. What I need is a Ghost Writer or someone like that who could put a book together with m ideas and get it published.

Anyway I might as well put on here Chapter One over the next few weeks to see what people think, and I would greatly appeciate your thoughts

Carl

Carl Williams:

5thwheel:
Carl,

Your prose is very interesting,have you thought about a book,you have probably already written the first few pages on this site!

Keep it up,most enthralling insight into your business,

David :slight_smile: :slight_smile:

Hi David,

It was an idea I had toyed with before I started writing in Trucknet. In fact I wrote what I believe could be the first chapter, however I am not well enough to continue. I can write small pieces, like I have on here and am very pleased I have done so, as long as my memory has allowed me. I surpose I live in the past and cannot put it into chronological order. I have tried to continue my ‘book’ with chapter two but cannot manage. I personally think it is a shame as there is a lot that would not only interest Road Transport enthusiasts , but also there is a lot of history of County Durham that could be of interest to the wider public, particularly people who lived in the 60’s to 80’s in County Durham. What I need is a Ghost Writer or someone like that who could put a book together with m ideas and get it published.

Anyway I might as well put on here Chapter One over the next few weeks to see what people think, and I would greatly appeciate your thoughts

Carl

I do understand Carl,it would be a huge commitment,and if you dont feel up to fullfilling that commitment,well so be it,you carryon putting your thoughts on this site,I know you must have “loads” of avid readers,keep it up Carl,and good luck to you.

David :slight_smile: :slight_smile:

For anyone who has been reading my account of what went wrong, and in particuar the final part of the Thorn problem, I will be coming back to this in about a weeks time. I need a rest and following David ,5th wheel’s book suggestion I a going to put my first chapter on here over the next few days. I wrote this about 4 years ago and it will give me a rest so I can finnish my ‘What went wrong’ tale refreshed.

So here goes:

The W.H.Williams Story

1919-1986

Chapter 1

The birth of a fleet of vans

Part 1

The cream and brown vans were well known on all roads, all one hundred of them. People from all over the country were noticing them, in many cases occupying their children’s minds, during long journeys telling them to watch out for them and guess how long it would be until they saw one passing them by.

One budding author wrote us telling how he had made characters of Lorries he and his children had seen on the roads and making up stories to entertain them on long journeys. Asking our permission to use one of our vehicles as the hero as he felt the tales were so good that he was going to publish them in a book. Many people who had never before heard of Spennymoor now knew it was in County Durham and was the home of W.H.Williams (Haulage) Ltd. Even in Europe people, travelling by car in France, Belgium and Germany were writing in saying where they had spotted, unexpectedly a cream and brown furniture van.

W.H.Williams Staff and vans delivered furniture and domestic appliances to such addresses as Buckingham Palace, Balmoral, Sandringham and Windsor Castle. Church organ parts had even been collected from the Chapel in Windsor Castle and most of the large Cathedrals including Westminster Abbey and St Paul’s and returned them after refurbishment. From the tower of London to Blackpool Tower staff had witnessed Williams vans making deliveries. One driver Gordon Ball told how he wished he had brought a camera with him when he was making a delivery at Buckingham Palace, as he was directed to pull up next to the Glass Coach which had been pulled out from the Coach House for cleaning. It would have made a wonderful photograph he was to say on his return to Spennymoor, but this was in the days long before the invention of mobile phones with cameras.

Where to begin? Like in most cases from small acorns large trees grow, and I suppose it is best to go back to Wales. With a name like Williams it would have to be. My great, great grandfather was born in Wales and along with many of his neighbours and friends he left Wales with his family and settled in Shropshire, in the area that is now Telford. My great grandfather was born in 1857 was born in Shropshire as was his wife and four of his six children.

Describing himself as a hewer at a colliery it was obvious the newly found Durham coal mines would attract the family to move on to the North East and settle in a new town called Spennymoor, five miles south of Durham City. Such a journey today would be a relatively simple task with roads and vehicles as they are today, but to go back in the 1870’s 80’s it would be a mammoth task probably having to walk alongside a horse which would be pulling a cart with all of your few family possessions and carrying four babies and toddlers. My Grandfather and his youngest sister Catherine were born in 14 Marmaduke Street Spennymoor, my great grandfather and great grandmother’s new home in Spennymoor

Obviously the reason for this long journey into the unknown was work. I don’t know how they heard of coal mining in the North East of England but experience in mining from this Welsh Stock added to no doubt mining for Iron in Shropshire would have made this type of immigrant population the ideal type to populate the sprawling villages that were to make up the towns of County Durham.

From what I have been told my great grandfather was a very hard worker and became deputy manager of two of the local mines, the Rock and Page Bank, and he used to walk to work. One of his jobs was to climb down onto the mine shafts by rope to check for safety before allowing the workforce to be lowered down. As well as his work as a miner he had a business as a photographer and at 51 years old he had a horse drawn chip van built by Herbert Raine founder of H.Raine & sons the spennymoor coachbuilding company. I have a photograph with a very young W.H.Williams, my grandfather in the chip van taken in 1908. (My Grandfather was about 16) Herbert Raine would build; paint and sign write thee whole van including the making of the wheels. And this photo, I think, serves as a record of his craftsmanship. I also have another photo showing the chip van outside the Commercial Hotel Spennymoor (where it usually stood.) taken about 20 years later and then it carried a board advertising ‘W.H.Williams haulage by horse and motor. As a young boy I used to walk passed H.Raine and son who were based at the bottom of Marmaduke Street before they opened Tower Coach works in King Street Spennymoor, which had originally been a brewery for North Eastern Brewery. Hence the name Brewery Field for the local football club. In front of the building which had originally been Raines there was a large circle moulded into the concrete. This my grandfather, told me, had been used in the making of cart wheels.

To be continued

The W.H.Williams Story

1919-1986

Chapter 1

The birth of a fleet of vans

Part 2

Of the family of six my grandfather was the youngest and by far the most industrious. When one of his sisters’ said that she could have done ‘what our Willie had done he abruptly told her ‘Why didn’t you then?’ He often told me the story of how he bought 14 Marmaduke Street Spennymoor whilst still a teenager. My grandfather and my father were both born in this house and it served as the base for much of the life of W.H.Williams (Haulage) Ltd until its move to Green Lane Industrial Estate

The Williams family had, on arrival in Spennymoor moved into 14 Marmaduke Street which they rented. The area of Spennymoor which consisted of three streets became known as the blocks. It was is at the bottom of Cheapside and very close to the town centre. The big bonus is that each house had a very large garden which came in very handy as it gave the space to build the large garage used until the move to the seven acre green field site in 1973 at Green Lane Industrial Estate. Marmaduke Street was to become a very industrious area. At the bottom was H.Raine and Son and opposite was Swinburn monumental Sculptures. Next to Raine’s was located Oughton Carriers, run by the Hindmarch family. About halfway up was our Garage and further up near the top was Howe’s garage. Eddie Howe started the OK bus service from Bishop Auckland to Newcastle about 1926 and when the Great Exhibition came to Newcastle found he couldn’t cope split the service with Emersons who called their business OK Motor Services at Bishop Auckland. At the rear of the garage, on Barnfield Road lived the Hadwyn family with a son about dad’s age who went onto become Editor of The Times. Years later when dad was a member of Spennymoor rotary Club Hadwyn came as a guest speaker and immediately started talking of old times. Everyone was spellbound and even more surprised that he had lived behind our garage on Barnfield Road and dad had known him all is life. Years later BBC television sent a television crew from London to interview me at various parts of our site at Green Lane and ending with me sitting talking at my desk the attractive female producer came straight over and introduced herself to me as Hadwyn’s daughter., saying she was so pleased to have been given that job as she had heard so much about my family.

My great Grandmother had saved throughout her married life (Which would have been difficult as her husband, like most other miners of these times were a heavy drinker). This is what I was told by my grandfather but I don’t know where he found the time because as well as being a miner, a photographer and also run the chip van 5 nights a week. The only time he could have found to drink was on a Saturday night when he left my grandfather to run the chip van so he could have a night out. I was told he got dressed up in his suit shirts and tie with a freshly picked rose in his button hole and returned worse for wear, flower broken and twisted tie.

In any event when my Great Grandmother, Ruth Williams heard that 14 Marmaduke Street was to be sold by auction she gave my grandfather her savings and sent him off to the sale and to try and buy it. I’m not sure how old he was but I suspect about 14 years old. He later told me that at first he was a little disappointed as number 14 and 16 were being sold together as one lot. Being each half of a semi detached block. In the event he managed to buy the two with his mother’s money and on his return home arranged with the tenants of number 16 (the next door neighbours) to buy it from him for the amount he had paid for the two. When he went home and gave his mother her money back she was disappointed thinking he had been unsuccessful at buying the house until he explained how he had bought it at no cost. He then arranged with her that it was his house, with the deeds in his name, but that his mother and father could live there free until they died. I’m sure many people reading this will find this story hard to believe but anyone who came across my grandfather would understand the truth.

My grandfather was born on 7 May 1891 in Spennymoor and baptised at St Andrew’s church where he was christened William Henry Williams. He was called Willie by his immediate family but generally known as Billy. Strange as it seems I met Teddy Elland in my late teens who had taught my grandfather in Rosa Street School. Rosa .street was at the top end of the town above the bridge and as this was before King Street School had been built was probably the nearest school to Marmaduke Street… When I met Mr Eland as he was known to most people he was in his eighties and easily recognisable as a school teacher.

To be continued

Well done Carl,looking forward to the next Chapter!

David :smiley:

The W.H.Williams Story

1919-1986

Chapter 1

The birth of a fleet of vans

Part 3

When I met him he was quite a stern man who although with such an age difference treated me with respect listening to my opinions and thoughts of life but being unable to resist criticising me for any grammar errors in my speech. I can imagine that he would have been a very good teacher. At school age my grandfather was also an Alter Boy at St Andrew’s Church so would leave school with an adequate education

From what I can understand young Billy Williams grew up and enjoyed life round Spennymoor. He had a keen interest in horse riding, riding a mare; Beauty owned by his father and followed the hunt. He used to go to Durham and ‘hire’ a boat at the boathouse disembarking down the river after a good row so he didn’t have to pay. He also claimed to be a ‘snappy dresser’ Theatre and music halls were popular entertainments and he got a job helping with the lights at the Cambridge Theatre Spennymoor. Two of his friends were Bobbie and Billie Edwards who sold rotten tomatoes and fruit at the theatre their family were very well known fruit and vegetable merchants and it was good use for fruit that was no longer suitable for human consumption. In those days if the audience liked the acts they applauded and if not they threw the fruit and tomatoes they had purchased from the Edwards Brothers at the offending acts. Grandfather told me they had to be very good to receive applause and not being hounded off the stage. No doubt it was with the influence of his fruit selling salesmen that he got his job at the Theatre. He was an apprentice motor mechanic at a garage in Newcastle upon Tyne for some time which must have been avant garde at that time prior 1914 when very few cars were seen. In any event he hadn’t learnt much as his mechanical knowledge and aptitude were almost non existent.

When war broke out in 1914 he volunteered to join the army. It would appear that part of his army life involved ferrying horses for the troupes from Southampton to France. He reminisced travelling up the Seign from the coast and at one time wanted me to take him back to relive his boat journey. He told me an interesting story from around that time when the captain of the ship feared they were going to sink, cried out ‘Every man for himself’. The young Private Williams saw a lifeboat being lowered into the water and jumped in, not knowing it was so decayed that it immediately sank. Finding himself in the sea and having to be ‘fished out’ he was no doubt glad to find out that the captain had been mistaken and the vessel was able to complete its journey to port without its lifeboat.

He then went on to be a signaller in the battle of the Somme. He mentioned to me such places as Hell House Corner and the terrible conditions of life with the dig outs and only recently long after his death I saw a documentary of the First World War and saw things he had told me about all those years ago. When I was young, in spennymoor at the top of the High Street on the left hand side was a newsagent shop called Reavleys and my grandfather recalled seeing the founder’s oldest son blown up by a mine directly in front of him. Like all wars the First World War was a bloodbath and soldiers from Spennymoor must have served near each other, so it was particularly dreadful to see someone you had known from school killed.

In any event young William Henry Williams was twice wounded and gassed and when he was finally discharged from the army he was awarded a pension of a couple of shillings or so a week. Even then the government thought highly of their soldiers. I was told of the horror he experienced when he regained conscience after he was wounded by a bayonet, which went into his leg at one point and came out another. He found himself lying on earth with earth above him and at his side. He screamed out thinking he had been buried alive. The nightmare lived with him the rest of his life. What had happened was that in the dug out shelves had been cut into the sides, where the wounded were laid to receive treatment. Open at one side to allow nurses to see them. Also my father recalled that when he was young he could remember his dad sicking up gas that had remained in his stomach.

My grandmother was Annie Clements until she married my grandfather in 1919. It would appear for some reason she never had a birth certificate and therefore we never could be certain of the year she was born but we think her birth date was 13 April 1899. Her father was James Clements known as Jimmy the Jew, in Spennymoor in the nineteen twenties. He certainly was not a Jew but was an Auctioneer with premises in Dundas Street Spennymoor, also a jeweller and said to be County sheriff responsible for collecting debts and I assume collecting furniture and chattels from non payers and auctioning them off to realise the debts. It would also appear he made ink and collected glass which was broken up and sent back to glass manufacturers to make more glass. It would appear that recycling existed long ago in the early nineteen hundreds. I remember my grandmother telling me that she used to enjoy breaking the glass up. She also told me her grandfather worked on the building of the High Level Bridge between Gateshead and Newcastle upon Tyne. I suspect it must have been her maternal grandfather as I believe the Clements family, like the Williams family came from Wales. I wish now I had asked her more about that as she would have enjoyed telling me. But like so many things life doesn’t always give you the time to find out all you would wish.

To be continued

The W.H.Williams Story

1919-1986

Chapter 1

The birth of a fleet of vans

Part 4

My Grandmother had been made to go to Gretna to a munitions factory during the Second World War where they lived in wooden dormitories making arms for the soldiers by day. She never mentioned this much but as in 1914 she would have only been 15 it would appear she was taken there when very young and in the early twenties where people stayed in their own town or village it must have been quite frightening to have been taken away from your family to have to work on the Scottish borders.

I know very little about my grandmother’s mother except I heard she went ‘Into Service’ after her husband died and developed a bad leg and had to return to Spennymoor in ill health. It would appear at the time she went to see a faith healer who cured her leg but told her it would return and when it did she died. I think it must have been cancerous.

My grandmother had three brothers Tom, ■■■■ and jimmy and two Sisters Ethel and Nellie. Nellie and ■■■■ were twins and it would appear that ■■■■ had minor mental problems, possibly caused at birth. Grandma, as I called her went to the Dicy’s school a small private school somewhere near the side of the Town Hall Spennymoor. Apparently she was not too keen at school and was better known for her absence than her scholarly achievements. Needless to say she left school as soon as she could without a good education, yet she was quite wise and could be well spoken. The Clements family were with the exception of my uncle ■■■■ a very intelligent family and they all went to the Alderman Wraith grammar school Spennymoor.

I don’t know where or when my grandparents met but I do know before he started courting my grandmother, my grandfather went out with Flossie Tuck who went on to marry Mr Hepple who established a garage at Croxdale where Croxdale Service Station is today. He specialised in Austin cars & commercials and Nuffield tractors.

My Grandparents were married November 1919. This was the same year that grandfather had invested his gratuities from the army to purchase a horse and cart and the chance to carry on doing the work that the horse and cart was doing. The delivery of groceries for Broughs who had a grocery store in Spennymoor.

The horse was called ■■■■■■ and became very loved by the family. My grandmother told me stories of how during the summer months he was allowed to live outside from his stable and in a rented meadow at the top of Marmaduke Street, where Derwent Terrace is situated today. ■■■■■■ never wanted o be court and simply kicked his back feet in the air and galloped off, but it would appear she had the knack of catching him. When she was told the time my grandfather needed him she always had him ready to be harnessed to his cart. ■■■■■■ also had no problems pulling the heavy chip van that was taken down into spennymoor and brought back as the pubs closed each night. Other horses had struggled pulling the load up Marmaduke Street but ■■■■■■ took it in his stride.

No doubt my dad, as a young boy developed the affection for ■■■■■■ but still he had a fear for horses that lived with him throughout his life. When he was seated on ■■■■■■’s back, no doubt hanging onto his mother for grim death he used tom say ‘Down Dare’ pointing to the ground (Down there) He told me the only time he would have liked a horse is if they had a door on the side to get in and a steering wheel inside. ■■■■■■ had served during the First World War and because of this was very nervous. I was told the story how one day he was so frightened. He pulled his cart back home to his stable at 14 Marmaduke Street and tried to pull his cart in with him. Grandfather told the story of how one day whilst travelling down Whitworth Lane towards Page Bank he saw overhead a large bird which was so big it must have been a Golden Eagle. Worried that it might swoop and carry off the young lad who was assisting him that day with his deliveries, he threw over him the tarpaulin used to cover the load. He later heard that the Eagle had been shot and taken to Bowes Museum. When I was young visiting the museum I felt I must see the eagle but there was no evidence of one ever being in the museum. Many years later I stopped at Bowes Moor Hotel and lo and behold there was a stuffed eagle inside a glass case. Could this be the bird my grandfather had seen?

To be continued