I think the one thing that I best remember was how versatile our vans had to be. The faintest recollection was GPT (see below) without the disguise of Spennymoor Garden Guild being used to deliver a load of sheep.
I cannot remember how old I was, but was very young possibly only about three, with dad at Darlington Cattle Mart. It was beginning to get dark and only a few cattle trucks were left finishing loading and in pulls GPT. A van as you can see in the photograph. The back of the van had the usual two doors and tailboard. GPT had a straight though floor with no wheel boxes or drop well and was quite high at the back. The doors were opened and a large quantity of sheep was loaded onto it by lifting them over the tailboard. The doors were closed and off it went, presumably to deliver the sheep to butchers in Spennymoor, Ferryhil areas, who all had, in those days their own individual slaughter houses.
Presumably there was enough air getting through the gaps where the rear doors were fitted for the sheep to get plenty of air to breath, as there were no air vents on GPT’s van body, and presumably they were lifted successfully off at each delivery point, without any injury to the animals, but even in those days I hate to think what would have happened if they had been caught, as there must have been many offences committed. For one the van had no side gates or no ramp.
while looking for another photo, unsuccesfully I found this photo of me with my Triumph Stag RUP99M. I bought it new, and had it just under three years. Although I had heard of all the troubles with the 3 litre triumph V8 engine, I always considered that I never drove it hard so I would have no problems, until it boiled up with me. The engine was alloy so not only did the head warp but also the block tended to warp as well. We had it stripped and the head shaved and new head gaskets. It seemed OK but we didn’t take any chances and sold it. However over those three years it had appreciated and I made £200 profit from the price paid.
Not Bad considering it never existed.
Eddie
edworth:
Not Bad considering it never existed.
Eddie
Hi Eddie
Great job
Just looks like the real van
Carl
Hearing about the poor 12 year old girl that was discovered in the loft after being murdered brought my mind back to something peculiar that happened to me. No murder but interesting.
Every week we had two vehicles and one trailer to prepare and take to the test station at Darlington. We were usually well organised and vans were loaded and carried on from Darlington after test each Monday or Wednesday morning. I booked the tests and again, strangely for me was well organised.
The problem occurred every so often when we had too many vehicles registered in one particular month, usually August, when as well we had a lot of staff holidays.
On one occasion, and the only one I can remember, we were so short of staff that all our fitters were fully occupied in preparation that we couldn’t spare the time for one to spend half a day at the test station, and so I took one of our rigid Bedford Marsdens on my own.
The van would be loaded with a full load of empty tea chests to simulate the load. We also needed some boxes dropping at a house in Darlington that had been promised for their removal the following week so I was given the task of dropping them off on my way back.
The test went Ok and I went to the customer’s house to find there was no one at home and so I went round the back and found the back door open, but still no one answered and so I carried the boxes round and put them inside the back door.
As I was getting in the cab to drive off I saw a lady running up the street towards me. ‘I’m here’ she said and told me she had just been to the corner shop. I told it was OK as I had put them in the back door. At that I saw her face change colour, and she told me that the house was locked when she left and asked if I would go in with her.
She opened the door and we went through to the wide open back door. And littered across her back yard towards her open gate was a video recorder Hi-Fi equip etc. that must have been dropped as they heard us enter the property, so that they could make a rapid get away.
The burglars must have been inside gathering things together when I put the boxes inside the back door, and remained quiet till I went out.
Looking at the Photo of GPT with promoting Spennymoor garden Guild reminded me of the other two occasions we went round the North East with a van promoting an event.
The next time was the 1975 referendum for membership of The Common Market. We were approached by the organisers of the Yes vote who hired a van for two weeks to travel round the North East to be parked where speeches were taking place.
In this case as the van had to be used over a two week period and the paper writing was being made to the exact size of the van, it was going to be well stuck on, and we were concerned that it would damage the paintwork when it was removed. It all happened at the time we were buying nine boxvans from ATM Crook, and employing their drivers as we secured the contract to do their work. As all the vans had to be repainted (Five in WHW livery and four in ATM’s new livery) we used one of these vans. (I cannot remember which)
The third occasion was in 1978 for Spennymoor Round Table, of which I was a member. We were raising money to buy a PUVA machine, to be used in the treatment of psoriasis. At the time Dr Adrian Ives was an expert in this treatment and as money was not available within the NHS, we decided to buy one which was to be based at Chester Le Street Hospital.
It was decided our members would run right round the boundary of County Durham, and I would drive a van round promoting the event. The van I used was GPT233H, and I travelled along with the runners, who from time to time also took rest and refreshments in the back of the van. As we parked up in each town and village people came along and put money in collection buckets and it was a huge success. This was helped by my presence with the van as it highlighted what was happening and was a focal point for the collection.
The money raised was more that the cost of the machine, and the remainder was spent on providing a heart resuscitator for Spennymoor Doctor’s use, which they claimed saved quite a few lives. I also in my day to day life met three people with psoriasis who used had treatment with the PUVA machine and it improved their life.
I certainly wasn’t fit enough to run, but I played my part by helping with the van
NUP, in photo below was new in 1952, and our first Bedford SB Passenger chassis and huge compared with everything we had operated before. I would only be four at the time, but remember seeing it arrive in grey primer, on trade plates and as I said earlier remembered seeing ‘Professor’ Norton signwriting it after dad had painted it.
With it dad had a great advantage when it was registered and put on the road, as it was bigger than anything else in our area. So we were able to quote good prices for large removals which our competitors were using two vans for.
In its early days it carried furniture for Shragers a furniture factory in Newton Aycliffe, RWA Toothill 3 piece suite manufactures again from Aycliffe and also radiograms which were just starting to be made by Smart and Brown (Engineers) Ltd Spennymoor under the Ferguson label. (This was long before Fridge production started) Its size proved so popular that sisters HTH and CDJ soon joined the fleet. It proved equally popular at Raymar Dresses a newly established clothing factory at Crook where by fitting removable hanging rails across the van supported by the tie rails on either side it carried hanging dresses to London.
The most unusual job it did regularly in 1953 was each Monday morning at 5-00AM it loaded about 7ton of meat from Arnold Jewitts slaughter house in Middlestone Moor Spennymoor and delivered it to Newcastle. I could never understand dad having to go out about 4-00 each Monday morning for this job, but I suppose it was good for our business as it was for Jewitts as when he got back about ten in the Morning he could hand the van over to Bob Marsden (my uncle) who drove it for the rest of the week and it was an extra job squeezed in without much difference to the weeks work.
However I wonder what people would think today if a large furniture van pulled up filled with a load of freshly slaughtered meat.
Carl Williams:
Looking at the Photo of GPT with promoting Spennymoor garden Guild reminded me of the other two occasions we went round the North East with a van promoting an event.
The next time was the 1975 referendum for membership of The Common Market. We were approached by the organisers of the Yes vote who hired a van for two weeks to travel round the North East to be parked where speeches were taking place.
In this case as the van had to be used over a two week period and the paper writing was being made to the exact size of the van, it was going to be well stuck on, and we were concerned that it would damage the paintwork when it was removed. It all happened at the time we were buying nine boxvans from ATM Crook, and employing their drivers as we secured the contract to do their work. As all the vans had to be repainted (Five in WHW livery and four in ATM’s new livery) we used one of these vans. (I cannot remember which)
The third occasion was in 1978 for Spennymoor Round Table, of which I was a member. We were raising money to buy a PUVA machine, to be used in the treatment of psoriasis. At the time Dr Adrian Ives was an expert in this treatment and as money was not available within the NHS, we decided to buy one which was to be based at Chester Le Street Hospital.
It was decided our members would run right round the boundary of County Durham, and I would drive a van round promoting the event. The van I used was GPT233H, and I travelled along with the runners, who from time to time also took rest and refreshments in the back of the van. As we parked up in each town and village people came along and put money in collection buckets and it was a huge success. This was helped by my presence with the van as it highlighted what was happening and was a focal point for the collection.
The money raised was more that the cost of the machine, and the remainder was spent on providing a heart resuscitator for Spennymoor Doctor’s use, which they claimed saved quite a few lives. I also in my day to day life met three people with psoriasis who used had treatment with the PUVA machine and it improved their life.
I certainly wasn’t fit enough to run, but I played my part by helping with the van
There are strong transport connections with this photo.
A couple of posts ago I told the story of how I drove GPT233H round County Durham publicising a Round Table appeal to raise money to buy Medical Equipment, whilst my fellow Tablers’ ran.
Well this is the presentation at Spennymoor medical centre. To gain as much publicity as possible we arranged for the young lady in the centre to present it on our behalf. She was either Australian or from New Zealand and a presenter with Tyne Tees Television. As I was engaged at the time I had to keep secret how much I was looking forward and enjoyed meeting her that day. Yet I cannot remember her name, perhaps someone reading this will remember her and tell me.
From Left
David Raine, joint proprietor of H Raine and Sons the spennymoor Coachbuilders. David’s Grandfather had built our Chip Van in 1908 and my grandfather’s first model T Ford cab and body, and had carried out work for us throughout the existence of our business.
Next Barry Summers my cousin. It is Barry’s brother, Peter who keeps me right on this site as his knowledge of our vehicles surpasses even mine. Barry also helps Peter lovingly restore and maintain their Bedford Van in that horrible black colour and also their beautiful Foden platform.
Me
Hiding behind looking over my shoulder is Billy King, who had a milk business at the time of this photo, but might be known as a driver for George Spence. Billy is now a self-employed driver with one of the last ERF badged tractor unit and can be usually found delivering bricks.
Taking centre stage in red is the late Mike Gowland. Many who worked for Dents will remember Mike as at the time of the photo he was married to Caroline Dent and was manager down at Tudhoe. I had known Caroline since when we were about 8 years old, and went to Rosa Street School in Spennymoor. Caroline left to go to Durham High School about the same time as I left to go to Bow School Durham, when we were both about 11, however I am proud to number Mike amongst my friends. He was a lovely guy, who was flung out of his job by John Henry on their marriage break up without any compensation, and although as a father of a daughter, I can understand how Harry Dent felt I cannot help think it was unfair dismissal, and advised Mike accordingly, but Mike had his pride and was sadly taken away from this life so young in his early forties. It would be good to hear views from anyone who worked with Mike.
Looking over mikes shoulder trying, obviously to snuggle up as close as possible to our celebrity is Alan Whitley, another character, who I seem to remember had started his life as an apprentice at Dents, and went on to open a chain of carpet shops, The last I heard from Alan was when he had developed a guest house in Shincliffe into a fully functional hotel and was successfully running it, in particular its restaurant. Alan always had an artistic gift.
Next to Miss Tyne Tees we have Paul Harper, who at the time was manager at Radio Rentals in Spennymoor, in the days that many people rented their televisions. Paul went on to hold a high position in Durham County Fire Services in their training division.
Receiving the resuscitator we have Dr Corrigan, Dr Addan, Dr Wood, I cannot remember name Mrs Corrigan also a doctor and finally Doctor Andrew Sanderson.
Somewhere I have a photo of GPT233H dressed with it’s Round Table advertising. However I am on there with my ex wife so I had decided orriginaly not to show it. Now when I thought I might I cannot remember where I have put it.
My dad Geoffrey pye was a driver for wh williams for many years , i remember going to work with him on many occassions i used to like playing with the 2 dogs that used to be at green lane not sure if anyone can remember them .
i have a photo of 1 of the vans if i can find it i will post it on here
speak soon
barbara pye
Hi Barbara…I worked with your dad, we were at Marmaduke street when WH took over Johnsons of Durham and your dad and Old Ed (and a John ? think he was related to Fred Johnson) your dad and old Ed were great blokes, we all had some good nights out together.
Young Ed…now retired, Eddie
wombat2010:
My dad Geoffrey pye was a driver for wh williams for many years , i remember going to work with him on many occassions i used to like playing with the 2 dogs that used to be at green lane not sure if anyone can remember them .i have a photo of 1 of the vans if i can find it i will post it on here
speak soon
barbara pye
wombat2010:
My dad Geoffrey pye was a driver for wh williams for many years , i remember going to work with him on many occassions i used to like playing with the 2 dogs that used to be at green lane not sure if anyone can remember them .i have a photo of 1 of the vans if i can find it i will post it on here
speak soon
barbara pye
Hi Barbara
So good to hear from you.
How is Geoff?
I remember you being born.
The dogs were Pyrenean Mountain dogs, brother and Sister Henry and Ponda
When we got them at seven to eight weeks old I carried both and they sat on my knee till we got them back to Green Lane. But they grew to be very big with Henry over 8 stone.
Some guard dogs, that let you play with them!
Geoff joined us when we bought out Fred Johnson’s removal business in about 1967, along with Eddy Ramsey, John Vasey and another one or two. Of all the vans Geoff drove I best remember him with FPT780G which he had from new for many years.
Geoff did removals mainly, long distance ones and he was one hell of a worker, both a perfectionist and working like a horse. On the occasions I worked with him he never stopped. Of course he was an excellent packer, in the days when Removals were Removals, and undertake many massive jobs that today’s people would faint at the thought of. Yet to look at Geoff, being so thin you could never understand where he got his strength from.
How is your mam? My mother is 86 and sends both Geoff and your mam her well wishes.
I hope you find the photo, and if you have any problems putting it on let me know and I will try to help. They have stopped me driving now but Paul, my son runs me around a bit and perhaps if Geoff would like we could call one Saturday afternoon and I could treat Geoff to a drink.
Best wishes and hoping to hear from you soon
Carl
I have received the attached letter from Anne Askwith (Walton), together with the attached photographs.
Anne joined us in the early seventies directly from school as an office junior, and worked for us for several years… She met her husband Ian Askwith who had originally joined us as a van lad, progressing to driving, first with a small van.
I always remember a reporter described our offices as a very happy place, starting wit the young teenager that answered the phone. That was Anne, and the direction her career has taken must speak highly of the training she experienced with her work with us.
I was pleased to hear from Colin Watson regarding the get together.
Ferryhill Workingmen’s Club for the afternoon of Saturday 27th October 2012 from 12.30pm onwards.
He tells me that to date he has heard from 30 ex-employees who say they will attend, so it should be a very good day.
It seems to me that when a photo of a van turns up it is always the last one you would expect.
I am always interested to what happened to our vans after we closed and along comes this photo of OVR561R. As I said this is a strange van to survive. It started life as a Bedford Pantechnicon, with integral body by Vanplan. About 1984-85 it had an accident, although not serious, ended up with significant damage to the cab and Luton, which would need a new front end from Vanplan to repair. Alan Henderson persuaded dad to simply cut away the cab and Luton, and put on a second hand TK cab, which took our workshop about three to four days including painting. As normal we put a Hatcher illuminated sign on the top of the cab. Although, in my opinion it was a good van ruined it did make a tidy box van, with a cheap repair, and in fairness earned the same money as it would have if it had been fully repaired.
So here we have it in this photo, quite nicely painted and obviously used by a traveller. I would question the safety of using what would appear to be a stove with chimney inside a fibreglass body however. The one strange thing is W.H.Williams on the illuminated cab sign. I must admit I never can remember looking at it after it was repaired, but usually the sign was painted in brown leaving the name showing in white. Perhaps it was not in this case, but why had the owner left the name on it. Paul said perhaps the chap was also called W.H.williams, however I doubt that. More probably Peter Butler usually painted them inside and perhaps the new owner didn’t know how to paint it.
When I checked the registration details it is no longer taxed but from the photo the outer rear wheels seem to have been removed so perhaps it is permanently parked up. However its sister, (A Bedford Vanplan pantechnicon) OVR563R was still running about 8 years ago, so who knows it a photo of it might turn up
Hi Carl
OVR 561R still looks a nice vehicle despite mods after accident and good testimony to W H Williams that the name was kept. Yes, I agree that a stove in the back would scream Health and Safety but, after a closer look, I see a cable from the side, and think they may have been running a generator inside and these are vent holes.
I think I also see what look like tools at the back of the vehicle and wonder if someone was working on the wheels hence the reason why it appears to be chocked up.
Good numbers for the reunion. It sounds like a decent turnout.
Peter
pbsummers:
Hi Carl
OVR 561R still looks a nice vehicle despite mods after accident and good testimony to W H Williams that the name was kept. Yes, I agree that a stove in the back would scream Health and Safety but, after a closer look, I see a cable from the side, and think they may have been running a generator inside and these are vent holes.I think I also see what look like tools at the back of the vehicle and wonder if someone was working on the wheels hence the reason why it appears to be chocked up.
Good numbers for the reunion. It sounds like a decent turnout.
Peter
Hi Peter,
Looking at the photo, although at the time I didn’t agree with them making it into a boxvan, they didn’t do a bad job.
As you will know with your Marsden, the roof was always put on as a ‘tophat’ and then joined to the side by tacks and then a spouting mould put round on the vertical panels so that there was no water ingress. In this case, our lot have cut the roof, constructed a frame where the luton would start and then cut a plymax sheet to the shape of the roof. How they have joined the roof front to the plymax sheet I cannot see or imagine, and how with the wind pressure the roof front has not lifted seems unbelievable, but photos never lie and whatever they had done has worked.
My memory is very strange, because I cannot remember the time this work was done. I remember Bill Bailey, working in the top part of the warehouse, and I remember Bill leaving, I also remember he did have an apprentice, but who did the body building after he left I cannot remember.
Also at the time this work was done, we had built the new body shop. (As you pass the warehouse on the way in on the left hand side at the bottom end of the first yard). I remember it was 45ft by 45ft with three bays, two for bodywork and one for painting, but who worked in there escapes me.
Every day about twice or three times a day I walked round the warehouse, the drivers restroom , and all the workshops and vehicle stores, to see what was happeningand talk to everyone but I cannot remember ever going into the new building, but I would do, and if I saw them doing this repair I would not have let them fix the roof as it has been done. Whether it happened whilst I was away somewhere or I was so annoyed by what they were doing, I ignored it, I cannot remember, but perhaps it was just as well because it obviously worked.
Carl
For anyone who might be interested in how the Vanplan roof should have been reduced to make the boxvan body:
The front of the van should have been repaired as it was with the exception the top panel of plymax sheeting should have been straight up to the height as the two sides where the roof domes. The roof should have been then cut back a further two feet, and then the original roof over the luton should have been cut to fit so that the front was domed as the two sides. The fibreglass roof should have then been bonded where the new piece joins with where the roof was cut. This would have produced a perfect result and the front of te an would have looked so much better and professional.
Carl Williams:
For anyone who might be interested in how the Vanplan roof should have been reduced to make the boxvan body:
The front of the van should have been repaired as it was with the exception the top panel of plymax sheeting should have been straight up to the height as the two sides where the roof domes. The roof should have been then cut back a further two feet, and then the original roof over the luton should have been cut to fit so that the front was domed as the two sides. The fibreglass roof should have then been bonded where the new piece joins with where the roof was cut. This would have produced a perfect result and the front of te an would have looked so much better and professional.
Something like this…
edworth:
Carl Williams:
For anyone who might be interested in how the Vanplan roof should have been reduced to make the boxvan body:
The front of the van should have been repaired as it was with the exception the top panel of plymax sheeting should have been straight up to the height as the two sides where the roof domes. The roof should have been then cut back a further two feet, and then the original roof over the luton should have been cut to fit so that the front was domed as the two sides. The fibreglass roof should have then been bonded where the new piece joins with where the roof was cut. This would have produced a perfect result and the front of te an would have looked so much better and professional.Something like this…
Hi Eddie
Looks better already
Carl
Another photo that has turned up is this one of the 30cwt Bedford we had from 1974 to 1986. I might be biased but I don’t think the signwriting does the van justice, or look authentic for the age of the vehicle.
I know in the 1930’s we bought Bedfords from Sherwoods at Grange Road Darlington, and its probable that they had photos or some record of how their sign’s etc were in that decade, even if they had not got an actual van to copy off.
ENK306 was not one of our original vehicles, and although most of our Bedfords from that time were 2 tonners, we did infact have a 1937 Bedford 30cwt, which, I was told by both my father and Grandfather, looked very similar. The painting and lettering of both ENK and EUG were taken from memory and we tried to recreate as accurate as we could.
Personally I think Sherwoods had ruined the van