ooopps double post
I got threatened by the plastic pigs in tilbury that I would be done for an insecure load if I didn’t do my twistlocks back up, whilst waiting to get into pentalvers. For those who don’t know, it’s at the very end of the dock, you pull off the road into a stack yard to book in. You then drive 20ft across the road (dead end) into the lift yard. If you cross said road, you’ll be done for an insecure load 
Harry Monk:
shep532:
A bit of confirmation what VOSA are sayinghttp://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repository/MO%20-%20Issue%2039%20-%20June%202012.pdf
That would appear to be saying that a load of bricks, concrete or steel that is loaded with a gap of 30cm or greater from the headboard will attract a prohibition.
Yes - unless some other form of suitable forward restraint has been used - maybe crossed straps or some kind of wodden chocs etc
It seems a bit black and white to me, the way they’ve written it. I wouldn’t fancy putting a 22 tonne steel coil against the headboard. 
Harry Monk:
It seems a bit black and white to me, the way they’ve written it. I wouldn’t fancy putting a 22 tonne steel coil against the headboard.
QUite right … the coil would need to be placed elsewhere for axle weights and weight distribution - but then would need suitable securing/lashings to 100% of it’s weight in a forward direction and 50% sideways and rearwards.
if axle weights allowed it placed against the headboard - then you would also add further forward restraints to help the headboard out. A headboard is usually capable of withstanding 5t - therefore another 17t of restraints and job done.
Their guidlines had to be kind of black and white to reduce the argument of “What do you know, I’ve been doing this job for 20 years”
They have published the guidelines so we can all see 'em and try to fit what we do with what they want us to do. better than not actually knowing what they want
Harry Monk:
It seems a bit black and white to me, the way they’ve written it. I wouldn’t fancy putting a 22 tonne steel coil against the headboard.
How else would you get the steel sheet, tiles and hanging beef on with it H ■■? 
Not sure if it’s an urban myth, but some tipper drivers say it’s insecure load to the material above the bodysides. A quick tap of the brakes sorts this out.
I just strap everything,if in doubt strap it! here is the most unstable stuff we move,HAYLAGE it is not very uniform and each one can weight 250kg so quite a lot of weight up top.
Worse in winter went the water is frozen betwen the bales,like staking ice cubes!! I use 18X10 metre strapes side to side then 4X20 metre straps back to front.And of course veeeery easy on the roundabouts,
I was having chat with a national transport manager yesterday who said a major block & paving manufacturer with a site in Kent had 14 vehicles stopped recently. They were advising on insufficient load security and what they needed to do, the next time around £60 fines will be issued to the driver and a potential £1000 fine to the company.
The company uses cargo nets and straps, but not over every pack.
thedennis:
I was having chat with a national transport manager yesterday who said a major block & paving manufacturer with a site in Kent had 14 vehicles stopped recently. They were advising on insufficient load security and what they needed to do, the next time around £60 fines will be issued to the driver and a potential £1000 fine to the company.The company uses cargo nets and straps, but not over every pack.
Marshalls?
I had an interesting chat with an ‘old hand’ yeasterday who drives a rigid with a brick grab / pallet grab attachment on the hiab.
He told me that he didn’t need to strap the grab to the bed as he had (2 foot deep) ally sides on the wagon. 
I just smiled sweetly and walked away whilst thinking, Its your license dude.
NathanB:
thedennis:
I was having chat with a national transport manager yesterday who said a major block & paving manufacturer with a site in Kent had 14 vehicles stopped recently. They were advising on insufficient load security and what they needed to do, the next time around £60 fines will be issued to the driver and a potential £1000 fine to the company.The company uses cargo nets and straps, but not over every pack.
Marshalls?
No it wasn’t Marshalls it was the contract haulier who delivers for this particular paving manufacturer, which isn’t Marshalls.
In this months Trucking mag
What? Insecure load? ■■■■■■■■!
Who wants a ride has to hold tight!
(It does not have hands, 've you noticed?)
tis-gdv.de/tis_e/foto/2008/2008_12_x4.htm
It’s so heavy it ain’t go nowhere!
(Yeah, right…)
tis-gdv.de/tis_e/foto/2010/2010_05.htm
tis-gdv.de/tis_e/foto/2010/2010_10.htm
tis-gdv.de/tis_e/foto/2003/2003_02.htm
It weighs nothing
(I’d rather spend half an hour strapping it than half a day picking it up)
tis-gdv.de/tis_e/foto/2011/2011_04.htm
tis-gdv.de/tis_e/foto/2011/2011_08.htm
Sits well / tight fit / nice stacks, cann’t move!
(How long will it be like that?)
tis-gdv.de/tis_e/foto/2012/2012_04.htm
tis-gdv.de/tis_e/foto/2005/2005_10.htm
It never gets strapped
(You mean you never bother)
tis-gdv.de/tis_e/foto/2006/2006_11.htm
So how am I supposed to strap these?!
(Use your brain, pallets, boards, bars, nets…)
tis-gdv.de/tis_e/foto/2009/2009_w04.htm
tis-gdv.de/tis_e/foto/2010/2010_03.htm
tis-gdv.de/tis_e/foto/2007/2007_11.htm
How many straps would I need for this?!
(If you need too many you are doing it all wrong. Slip mats increase friction and reduce strap count. Ever heard of chains? Craddles?)
tis-gdv.de/tis_e/foto/2009/2009_01.htm
tis-gdv.de/tis_e/foto/2011/w … 12_x04.htm
What’s the point?!
(To keep the load on the trailer during transport AND in case of accident)
tis-gdv.de/tis_e/foto/2004/2004_02.htm
One of the next thing they are looking at is. Low loaders with chains etc just sat on the trailer deck wile travaling.
Peter
robinhood_1984:
climbing up to put protective corner pieces on to protect the straps from fraying on sharp edges or damaging the load
That’s where the problems start at our place!
We have to use a wheeled set of stairs to enter the empty trailer through the back door with the curtains clipped up. We then pull out the straps and pull them down to the desired length (obviously mind-reading what the desired length is going to be on that particular load), and pull them to where they can be reached from the ground when the curtains are pulled back. Curtains are then unclipped and pulled back.
Now, if we have any large pallets that sit in the middle of the trailer then the steps have to be wheeled out again to lengthen the straps to throw across the pallets to the other side (necessitating stopping the forkies). Also if (god forbid) you should need to walk on the trailer bed at any time during loading to position straps/corner pieces etc, then obviously the curtains should officially be drawn and clipped-up, and step-access be gained through the back door again (lighting issues 
), before reversing the process and continuing loading until you need to hop up again.
And all this for a few cardboard boxes!
Now I see the need to secure loads, obviously, but probably a good 75% of our stuff is light and up against the curtain, and despite the “Would you leave it like that on a flat trailer??” brigade (No i wouldn’t by the way, as it’d get wet and I’d have wind-resistance to contend with, plus there wouldn’t be a curtain beside it (load-bearing or not) to keep it all in check), most of it really doesn’t need strapping.
To be honest, as a shunter I get more hassle and complaints now for strapping loads (“company policy”) than I ever got for not strapping them (which was nil in fact!), but what do you do? In a way I can see it’s a good way to go, if only to keep things secure whilst the curtains are opened, but what’s going to stop it landing on your head when you inevitably have to take the strap off? The euro boards are OK, but it’s another 2, 4 or even 6 posts, plus the risks associated with putting boards in and out above your head, and the chance of posts getting hit/bent and left unusable. It just seems to me this ‘blanket-health-&-safety-right-across-the-board’ stuff is just getting everyone tied in knots!
Still, as they say… If it saves one guys life, it’s worth ****ing the whole driving/loading/unloading etc community about for for the rest of their lives
Saying all that though I’m paid by the hour, so on reflection, who gives a [zb]! Strap away kids!
HomoFaber:
What? Insecure load? ■■■■■■■■!Who wants a ride has to hold tight!
(It does not have hands, 've you noticed?)
tis-gdv.de/tis_e/foto/2008/2008_12_x4.htmIt’s so heavy it ain’t go nowhere!
(Yeah, right…)
tis-gdv.de/tis_e/foto/2010/2010_05.htm
tis-gdv.de/tis_e/foto/2010/2010_10.htm
tis-gdv.de/tis_e/foto/2003/2003_02.htmIt weighs nothing
(I’d rather spend half an hour strapping it than half a day picking it up)
tis-gdv.de/tis_e/foto/2011/2011_04.htm
tis-gdv.de/tis_e/foto/2011/2011_08.htmSits well / tight fit / nice stacks, cann’t move!
(How long will it be like that?)
tis-gdv.de/tis_e/foto/2012/2012_04.htm
tis-gdv.de/tis_e/foto/2005/2005_10.htmIt never gets strapped
(You mean you never bother)
tis-gdv.de/tis_e/foto/2006/2006_11.htmSo how am I supposed to strap these?!
(Use your brain, pallets, boards, bars, nets…)
tis-gdv.de/tis_e/foto/2009/2009_w04.htm
tis-gdv.de/tis_e/foto/2010/2010_03.htm
tis-gdv.de/tis_e/foto/2007/2007_11.htmHow many straps would I need for this?!
(If you need too many you are doing it all wrong. Slip mats increase friction and reduce strap count. Ever heard of chains? Craddles?)
tis-gdv.de/tis_e/foto/2009/2009_01.htm
tis-gdv.de/tis_e/foto/2011/w … 12_x04.htmWhat’s the point?!
(To keep the load on the trailer during transport AND in case of accident)
tis-gdv.de/tis_e/foto/2004/2004_02.htm
All that site makes me think is that if I ever came across an experienced load securing columnist that liked talking about themselves in the third person I’d make sure I tightened a ratchet strap very tightly round their neck.
Mobile bush?
No, in fact, I spotted this well secured load a while back and I can confirm not a single branch fell off for the whole time I followed it.
thedennis:
NathanB:
thedennis:
I was having chat with a national transport manager yesterday who said a major block & paving manufacturer with a site in Kent had 14 vehicles stopped recently. They were advising on insufficient load security and what they needed to do, the next time around £60 fines will be issued to the driver and a potential £1000 fine to the company.The company uses cargo nets and straps, but not over every pack.
Marshalls?
No it wasn’t Marshalls it was the contract haulier who delivers for this particular paving manufacturer, which isn’t Marshalls.
Foley&Miles,Canute?