If your driving under domestic rules - so can drive for 10 hours a day, but only do a max duty of 11 hours - what breaks do you have to have ? or is this where working time comes in… so you can drive for 6 hours and then have a 15 min break?
Jenson Button:
If your driving under domestic rules - so can drive for 10 hours a day, but only do a max duty of 11 hours - what breaks do you have to have ? or is this where working time comes in… so you can drive for 6 hours and then have a 15 min break?
I thought it was 6 hrs then 30 min break
Jenson Button:
If your driving under domestic rules - so can drive for 10 hours a day, but only do a max duty of 11 hours - what breaks do you have to have ? or is this where working time comes in… so you can drive for 6 hours and then have a 15 min break?
No breaks required at all. Not even under working time rules.
I’m pretty sure that eventually van drivers will be tacho bound like the rest of us.
I do a bit of van as well and the only thing i have to watch is that when i do truck work on the tacho any driving time in vans is counted as other work not driving time,so when i fill my weekly log out i have to remember that
quaser:
I’m pretty sure that eventually van drivers will be tacho bound like the rest of us.
I think that is a knocking bet and i’m surprised it hasn’t already happened
quaser:
I’m pretty sure that eventually van drivers will be tacho bound like the rest of us.
They won’t be, but depends what you mean by vans, vans where the profession is transport and delivery then maybe but vans that are used for traders like builders,plumbers etc then no way.
quaser:
I’m pretty sure that eventually van drivers will be tacho bound like the rest of us.
There is talk of dropping the weight to 2.8t which would bring anything over 2.8t into scope of EU Rules. That’d be a few million vehicles.
Jenson Button:
If your driving under domestic rules - so can drive for 10 hours a day, but only do a max duty of 11 hours - what breaks do you have to have ? or is this where working time comes in… so you can drive for 6 hours and then have a 15 min break?
The breaks you are referring to are under the RTD which is under the EU regs
The normal WTD covers domestic regs and those state that the person is ‘entitled’ to certain breaks but there is no legal requirement to take them
ROG:
Jenson Button:
If your driving under domestic rules - so can drive for 10 hours a day, but only do a max duty of 11 hours - what breaks do you have to have ? or is this where working time comes in… so you can drive for 6 hours and then have a 15 min break?The breaks you are referring to are under the RTD which is under the EU regs
The normal WTD covers domestic regs and those state that the person is ‘entitled’ to certain breaks but there is no legal requirement to take them
So someone could drive a van delivering goods for 10 hours straight without having a legally enforced break ■■
Jenson Button:
So someone could drive a van delivering goods for 10 hours straight without having a legally enforced break ■■
YES
Jenson Button:
ROG:
Jenson Button:
If your driving under domestic rules - so can drive for 10 hours a day, but only do a max duty of 11 hours - what breaks do you have to have ? or is this where working time comes in… so you can drive for 6 hours and then have a 15 min break?The breaks you are referring to are under the RTD which is under the EU regs
The normal WTD covers domestic regs and those state that the person is ‘entitled’ to certain breaks but there is no legal requirement to take them
So someone could drive a van delivering goods for 10 hours straight without having a legally enforced break ■■
Of course - nowt wrong with that. How else would ewhite van man do it■■?
shep532:
quaser:
I’m pretty sure that eventually van drivers will be tacho bound like the rest of us.There is talk of dropping the weight to 2.8t which would bring anything over 2.8t into scope of EU Rules. That’d be a few million vehicles.
and tons more money for el gov
My cousin used to do white van man work, his hours were terrible. I remember one week, on the Monday he drove around Cornwall, got home at 7pm had tea then had to drive to Aberdeen that night for a 10am delivery. He then had to do a few more drops in Scotland and got back to Calne at 2 am, then was up again at 6 to load up for Newcastle, that day, before heading to Ireland. Getting back home for tea the following day. Up till now, he had 9 hours sleep in 4 days. When I asked why, it was because he was paid per mile. Not per hour.
He went bust and set up in Scotland somewhere in the end.
10hr drive & 11hr duty time,lol domestic rules, who abides by those ? When i did vans we used to do 18hrs driving or more most days , with breaks when & if we needed to , but there was no rules as a far as the company i worked for was concerned
FarnboroughBoy11:
quaser:
I’m pretty sure that eventually van drivers will be tacho bound like the rest of us.They won’t be, but depends what you mean by vans, vans where the profession is transport and delivery then maybe but vans that are used for traders like builders,plumbers etc then no way.
Or ■■■■■■ 
tommy t:
10hr drive & 11hr duty time,lol domestic rules, who abides by those ? When i did vans we used to do 18hrs driving or more most days , with breaks when & if we needed to , but there was no rules as a far as the company i worked for was concerned
I must admit i’ve done some pretty horrendous hours driving in vans myself ,i agree with others however that eventually courier companies will be on a tacho for their vans
I would love to know the logic that seams to assume a van won’t cause as bigger smash than a 7.5 tonner… but that’s beyond me.
So white van man - whom is supposed to only do 11 hours duty and 10 hours driving in a day… his breaks are not enforcable - and he just writes up a log book (if he can be bothered) with what ever he wants in? and hopes that no one questions his pay packet?
and in the event of him causing a major accident - would he and the firm he works for be investigated ?
Jenson Button:
he just writes up a log book (if he can be bothered) with what ever he wants in? and hopes that no one questions his pay packet?
He doesn’t even need a log book. No records required at all if the vehicle isn’t in scope of Operator Licensing 
Jenson Button:
and in the event of him causing a major accident - would he and the firm he works for be investigated ?
Oh yes … definitly investigated, which is where the definition of adequate rest comes into it.
I used to keep genuine records and daily run sheets when I worked at LCS. They came in handy a few times when stopped by VOSA.