Used Scania from dealership

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mucker85:
Are we ever going to see photos of these wheels?

Its a very complicated process you know :smiley:

Where is Rob k with his popcorn smilie

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Janos:

shuttlespanker:

Janos:
Newmercman, I have already said I am not looking for sympathy.

I find it hard to believe you are trusted to moderate this forum, as your post is dripping with vitriol. Hardly moderate in my mind.

Rusty rims only become a problem if it affects the integrity of the wheel. When that rust is on the adjoining face of a d/axle rim, then that rust can flake and cause the tightness of the wheel nuts to be compromised. Something that can only be checked by taking the wheels off. Okay, as some have said, the rusty inner wheel may of given a clue to problem, but I sympathise with the fitters who service it. They are right to assume that outer wheels have been shot blasted and painted, and inner ones left. I have no sympathy for the prick who put the wheels on though.

I buy from a dealer for supposed peace of mind, and so I don’t have to climb under the truck at the weekend. Scania have fallen well short here, not me. I pay good money for quality service. I should not have to double check everything they do.

Janos

i have colour coded each part, so you should be able to work out easily which part of the reply goes with which part of your post

what has his personal feelings got to do with moderating a forum?

surely, this would be noticed on your daily walk round check, the part about ‘wheel nut security’

obviously not :wink:

hope this helps :smiley:

What a load of patronising nonsense. I find it hard to believe you actually run anything more than a milk float. Apologies to any milkmen on forum. To reply any further would give credence to what you have posted.

why is it patronising?

if i had highlighted everything in red, you, and/or others may have misunderstood what each part was related to

if you want patronising, i am more than qualified to give you plenty of that

i have simply tried pointing out some ‘errors’ which have occurred from BOTH sides

but, what the hell, let’s go with it your way…

there there, what a nasty bunch of ■■■■■■■■ they are at Scania for right royally screwing you over, and if you like, i will come and hold your hand for you the next time you want to choose a new truck, just so that it doesn’t happen again :smiley:

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What puzzles me is that you say the wheels were faulty when you bought the truck, and then you say

Fast forward a year to its first MOT, and the low looking drive axle tyres that I had chosen to overlook when I bought, now need replacing. I left vehicle at local dealer for MOT prep and Motorway/HI-Q said they would replace tyres on site. Receive call from tyre depot who tell me their fitter cannot replace tyres on two of rims because they are in a dangerous condition. With MOT being next morning, and this is early evening I agreed to replacement rims along with tyres. A fifteen hundred pound bill on top of MOT fees was not what I had planned.

I am surprised that it took 12 months for this to be noticed and that the “low looking tyres” “need replacing” ? Surely this should have been noticed at your 6 weekly inspections ?

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watch out Denis, you have dared to question his intelligence in truck buying ability, he will be calling you a patronising sod soon :unamused:

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When I go look at a 2nd hand vehicle of any size if it had no name cheap brand tyres on my thoughts would be what else has money been saved on ?

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Dan Punchard:
When I go look at a 2nd hand vehicle of any size if it had no name cheap brand tyres on my thoughts would be what else has money been saved on ?

i see what you are saying there Dan, but, in my opinion (which counts for nothing with the OP :wink: ) the tyres would depend on the type of work the truck was doing

if it had been on bulker doing scrap all the time, you really wouldn’t want to keep paying out for Michelin tyres would you?

after all, a length of rebar won’t tell the difference between a Michelin and a cheap chinese import

the brand of tyre means nothing really, all things considered, but, there would usually be other tell tale signs if it has been looked after or not

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I see your point ,however father would always have Michelin all round on the unit ,then remoulded at falcon Melton Mowbray for the trailer doing scrap every day ,but at ÂŁ450 for a Michelin we stick with the Hancook these days.

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Dan Punchard:
I see your point ,however father would always have Michelin all round on the unit ,then remoulded at falcon Melton Mowbray for the trailer doing scrap every day ,but at ÂŁ450 for a Michelin we stick with the Hancook these days.

My tyre fitter says that Michelins are good tyres, but not good enough to merit the price. When I asked him what tyres he would buy if he was in my position, he said Bridgestones.

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Just bought a 2nd hand Alpha it has a shoulder scrubbed off on the front it’s a Bridgestone and has gone through to the softer grey rubber apparently its a common fault with them regardless of any fault with the vehicle.we currently have 2 mich on one side and 2 Hancook on a drive axle other side same pattern depth wonder who will last the longest ?

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Dan Punchard:
we currently have 2 mich on one side and 2 Hancook on a drive axle other side same pattern depth wonder who will last the longest ?

My guess is that they’ll both last about the same time, I’ve got Continental Road-Trafics on one side of the drive axle and Hankooks on the other and the tyre wear is the same on both.

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Dan Punchard:
Just bought a 2nd hand Alpha it has a shoulder scrubbed off on the front it’s a Bridgestone and has gone through to the softer grey rubber apparently its a common fault with them regardless of any fault with the vehicle.we currently have 2 mich on one side and 2 Hancook on a drive axle other side same pattern depth wonder who will last the longest ?

It is a common fault on the bridgestones however some others do the same, hankook do too.

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monarch of the highway:
Been reading the various posts and yet again a sensible opening question has been killed buy all the negativity and stupidity
Weather the truck was overpriced in my eyes is not the issue the issue I’d be most annoyed with is this truck has come from a main dealer not Arthur daily
I persanaly have bought both my trucks from main dealers one being a Daf n one a Merc
Yes I could of got them cheaper from Arthur daily or flee bay but I went to the main dealer for piece of mind I myself would get in touch with Scania gb and explain your issues as with them being so worried about the image of there brand I’d imagine somthing just somthing may be done if every thing you have posted about the said truck is valid
The other thing that I will add if your purchasing a truck from a main dealer that’s just been on mot and has a full Scania service history do you really need to inspect that we’ll the only thing I would of done is not had done the deal unless all the tyres had a min of 65% to 75% tread depth n be a branded tyre not not some rubbish from china
Welcome to TRUCKNET and I hope you get the mess sorted

Regardless of how this bloke has got everyone’s backs up, for whatever reason, I agree, I think this is a legitimate grievance it was not a sold as seen deal, and even if it was, it wasn’t sold as seen I reckon there’s a pretty good chance it was sold after someone at the paint shop had the rims and tyres out the backdoor for back pocket money.

If you got the history when you bought it the inspection sheets will probably have the tyre tread depths and mileages on. Even at this late stage this might be enough evidence to strongly corroborate your claim a switcheroo has gone on with the tyres and rims. Possibly consider either a county court claim or refuse to pay an invoice to equivalent value on these grounds and then let them county court claim against you, at which point, you can enter a counter-claim and let a judge decide - chances are they’ll decide it’s not worth the aggro.

All depends what ramifications there might be to falling out with the dealer if you’ve got an ongoing maintenance deal. I doubt the dealer principal will know this is going on, they might of course, and if they don’t they might not want to hear about it either. You’ll have to make your mind up what you want to do. One thing’s for certain I’d be tucking those rims and tyres away to pull the same stunt on them when you chop it in again.

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Beetie:

Dan Punchard:
Just bought a 2nd hand Alpha it has a shoulder scrubbed off on the front it’s a Bridgestone and has gone through to the softer grey rubber apparently its a common fault with them regardless of any fault with the vehicle.we currently have 2 mich on one side and 2 Hancook on a drive axle other side same pattern depth wonder who will last the longest ?

It is a common fault on the bridgestones however some others do the same, hankook do too.

Yes Hancook too although there is only the 4 wheeler that’s done this upto now with Hancook s on , but the driver at the time drove it rather hard .

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If there is abnormal wear on a tyre then there is a problem that can be fixed somewhere.

If it is a 4x2 it will be either tracking, castor angle or wheel bearings, if the wear is on the shoulder (or both outer or inner shoulders) and it is feathered it will be out of alignment, if the wear is smooth it is wheel bearings out of adjustment. If the wear is on opposing shoulders it is castor angle.

If it is a 6/8x4 or tag axle then it could also be caused by the thrust angle, the axles should not be at 90deg to the chassis rails, this is so it runs true even with a camber on the road.

There is also the loose nut behind the wheel, excessive cornering speed murders front tyres, especially if one of those flid knobs is fitted to the steering wheel.

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Own account driver, that is very wise advice. Thankyou.

Janos

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Own Account Driver:

monarch of the highway:
Been reading the various posts and yet again a sensible opening question has been killed buy all the negativity and stupidity
Weather the truck was overpriced in my eyes is not the issue the issue I’d be most annoyed with is this truck has come from a main dealer not Arthur daily
I persanaly have bought both my trucks from main dealers one being a Daf n one a Merc
Yes I could of got them cheaper from Arthur daily or flee bay but I went to the main dealer for piece of mind I myself would get in touch with Scania gb and explain your issues as with them being so worried about the image of there brand I’d imagine somthing just somthing may be done if every thing you have posted about the said truck is valid
The other thing that I will add if your purchasing a truck from a main dealer that’s just been on mot and has a full Scania service history do you really need to inspect that we’ll the only thing I would of done is not had done the deal unless all the tyres had a min of 65% to 75% tread depth n be a branded tyre not not some rubbish from china
Welcome to TRUCKNET and I hope you get the mess sorted

Regardless of how this bloke has got everyone’s backs up, for whatever reason, I agree, I think this is a legitimate grievance it was not a sold as seen deal, and even if it was, it wasn’t sold as seen I reckon there’s a pretty good chance it was sold after someone at the paint shop had the rims and tyres out the backdoor for back pocket money.

If you got the history when you bought it the inspection sheets will probably have the tyre tread depths and mileages on. Even at this late stage this might be enough evidence to strongly corroborate your claim a switcheroo has gone on with the tyres and rims. Possibly consider either a county court claim or refuse to pay an invoice to equivalent value on these grounds and then let them county court claim against you, at which point, you can enter a counter-claim and let a judge decide - chances are they’ll decide it’s not worth the aggro.

All depends what ramifications there might be to falling out with the dealer if you’ve got an ongoing maintenance deal. I doubt the dealer principal will know this is going on, they might of course, and if they don’t they might not want to hear about it either. You’ll have to make your mind up what you want to do. One thing’s for certain I’d be tucking those rims and tyres away to pull the same stunt on them when you chop it in again.

The only problem there is, the OP saw it AFTER it had been in the paint shop, and actually saw the tyres on the drive axle

So, it WAS sold as he saw it

Sorry to the OP (who apparently needs his hand holding when he goes to buy trucks), but, after 12 months, you will have no comeback from the supplying dealer

By all means, go to them and threaten them with legal action, in the same way that you should do with the dealer that you highly recommend, who have been doing your PMI’s, and see how far that gets you

But, do us all a favour, can you come back on here and post the transcripts of the conversations between you and them, so we can all have a good laugh :slight_smile:

People have tried telling you that it is not entirely their fault, and all you have done is come back with snide remarks

I wish you well for the next however long you want to keep trading for, and the offer still stands, I will gladly come along for the day to hold your hand for you when you want to buy another truck :slight_smile:

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A local guy has just taken 4 michelin drives off after cutting them, they had 2mm tread and he had only done a total of 80,000kms. He paid ÂŁ520 each for them based on a magical mileage promise from the michelin rep. He has gone for bridgestones this time at ÂŁ310 each. (295/60s)

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Denis F:
What puzzles me is that you say the wheels were faulty when you bought the truck, and then you say

Fast forward a year to its first MOT, and the low looking drive axle tyres that I had chosen to overlook when I bought, now need replacing. I left vehicle at local dealer for MOT prep and Motorway/HI-Q said they would replace tyres on site. Receive call from tyre depot who tell me their fitter cannot replace tyres on two of rims because they are in a dangerous condition. With MOT being next morning, and this is early evening I agreed to replacement rims along with tyres. A fifteen hundred pound bill on top of MOT fees was not what I had planned.

I am surprised that it took 12 months for this to be noticed and that the “low looking tyres” “need replacing” ? Surely this should have been noticed at your 6 weekly inspections ?

i’v been thinking the exact same dennis

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Low looking tyres is a subjective term. It does not mean worn out or illegal.

Shuttlespanker you know what to do with your hand and your hypothetical nonsense. Once again, I will say, I have every right to go into a main dealer of any marque and buy a truck and EXPECT to put that truck to work without a forensic examination, especially if it is just out the MOT station. Fact.

If wheels were swapped prior to me receiving vehicle, and those wheels were not legal, then that is a crime. Fact.

As the operator, the wheels are my ultimate responsibility, and if they came off I would be liable. Fact.

I have been put in an untenable position by a reputable vehicle dealer. Fact.

If I had not changed wheels, vehicle would of still passed its MOT. Fact.

Would dealer have put new tyres all round before I agreed to sale. No. Fact.

Is it possible to miss a circumferential split on a tyre during walk around checks? Yes. Fact.

Am I going to give credence to the egotistical rubbish you post on this thread and reply again? No. Fact.

Let me repeat the first point again, I am perfectly entitled to sign a maintenance contract and expect that work to be done and signed off as per VOSA requirements. It should not need me to then give it another inspection. The same goes for spending thirty five grand on a vehicle, I should expect that vehicle to be legal and ready for work, not to spend more time inspecting it again, apart from visual road operator inspections.

Janos

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Some of this may have been said, afraid i dozzed off.

This tale though is odd, if on receiving the truck they had agreed to pick up the bill for the wobble then should have supplied bill for the 2 front tyres and provided them with the split tyre and tyre fitters report.

As for the stuff that was not picked up for a year! Do you drive the truck? Could the problem be closer to home?

Either way a year on i think you have to bite the bullet.