Hi last shift in lorry was Tuesday was in van yesterday no taco. Got into lorry this morning cocked up on man entry started driving at 6 am taco says been driving 3.55 mins! Need to keep going what do I do?
Feel obliged to help here but I don’t know tbh , can you not go back into manual entry to overide what you have done or maybe just a case of getting print out to explain mistake if questioned. Or stop for 45?.
Sorry not much help m8.
Multidrop just don’t have time to stop for 45now. Was thinking set to break then remove card fly on and stick back in after 45. End of day print out and write down details. Won’t let me man entry over previous
I would just leave it in m8 , it’s a genuine mistake . You won’t get locked up for it I’m sure .
Make a written note stating what you have done, Do it now and keep it with you, A genuine mistake is rarely punished.
I would also consider emailing it back to your office so they know the score and its officially recorded. Thats just my opinion, I am sure others will have differnt views
Steve
Leave your card in, do a manual print out. Record your day on the manual print out and your card as normal. Written note explaining your mistake.
You messed up your man entry. It thinks your carrying on from when you took it out.
Nothing you can do but do 2 printouts one for you to keep and give the other to your office with the reason on it.
Do yourself a favour and people on here will say why… And the reason I say it is because I have yet to hear anyone that has had this problem since doing it…
Before you remove your card put the mode to break. And before you insert your card put it ON break…
You cannot do a manual entry to overwrite what’s already written on the card sol eave your card in, ejecting it and reinserting it will not do anything to help.
As said do two printouts and write an explanation on them both and sign them, hand one in when your card is downloaded and keep one with you in case you get stopped.
Keep an eye on your driving time as your tachograph will not be any help until you’ve taken a 45 minute break.
Like the others say you have messed up the manual entry. I think you didn’t change the mode so the digi thinks you haven’t had any rest. The bad news is you will probably get infringements for insufficient daily rest, excess of 4.5 hours driving and incorrect use of mode. The good news is the ministry know drivers are useless and would probable let you off as it is a one off. However you should do a print off ( if you haven’t already) and manually write your duties on the back. This should then be kept like the old tacho chart and handed in to your employer after 28 days. If it happens again do a printout as soon as you notice the error and write on the back what you have done showing break periods and again at the end of the day do the same. Hope this helps
nick2008:
Before you remove your card put the mode to break. And before you insert your card put it ON break…
Why?
LR18-8:
nick2008:
Before you remove your card put the mode to break. And before you insert your card put it ON break…Why?
Because it will show that you’ve been on break from when you take it out to when you put it back in.
In out in out shake it all about.
Do the Hokey Cokey
& turn around.
That’s what it’s all about-Oi !
I just manual entry every time, just make sure that it’s showing the Bed from when you last took it out to when you put it in.
Don’t just chuck it in the slot & leave it, check the times & ok it.
martinviking:
LR18-8:
nick2008:
Before you remove your card put the mode to break. And before you insert your card put it ON break…Why?
Because it will show that you’ve been on break from when you take it out to when you put it back in.
In out in out shake it all about.
Do the Hokey Cokey
& turn around.
That’s what it’s all about-Oi !I just manual entry every time, just make sure that it’s showing the Bed from when you last took it out to when you put it in.
Don’t just chuck it in the slot & leave it, check the times & ok it.
Still do manual entries but your less likely to have the situation the OP has encountered.
You don’t need to put it on bed before ejecting or before putting a card in, that’s retarded.
Why are the why are the manual entries so important, are you vehicle swapping mid shift? I never use manual entries.
LR18-8:
You don’t need to put it on bed before ejecting or before putting a card in, that’s retarded.Why are the why are the manual entries so important, are you vehicle swapping mid shift? I never use manual entries.
I use manual entry because we sometimes have to wait for our tractors to get back from the Hub, could be waiting for more than an hour sometimes, if I just shove it in & leave it, the company won’t pay me (payed on the Digi Card) for getting in early because they want me to be somewhere at silly o’clock, then send my wagon out to get delayed at Catthorpe (Tossa’s)
tachograph:
You cannot do a manual entry to overwrite what’s already written on the card sol eave your card in, ejecting it and reinserting it will not do anything to help.
The OP said remove the card and reinsert it 45 minutes later. He could then do a manual entry for the time the card wasn’t inserted and say it was break.
Of course, he is running the risk of getting caught without a card in which is a definite fine. Unlike screwing a manual entry up which would just be a slap on the wrist.
OP I’d ask your company for more training on tacho use. Or watch some Youtube videos on the new Siemens 1.4 tacho manual entries. Like this one.
Victa1:
can you not go back into manual entry to overide what you have done or maybe just a case of getting print out to explain mistake if questioned. Or stop for 45?
mattni:
Won’t let me man entry over previous
Terry T:
tachograph:
You cannot do a manual entry to overwrite what’s already written on the card sol eave your card in, ejecting it and reinserting it will not do anything to help.The OP said remove the card and reinsert it 45 minutes later. He could then do a manual entry for the time the card wasn’t inserted and say it was break.
I was referring to the reply from Victa1 who asked if the OP could overwrite what had been done, and the OPs reply that the tachograph wouldn’t let him overwrite the records.
Removing the card for 45 minutes and continuing to drive without a card then doing a manual entry for a 45 minutes break would be a far worse offence that would show up as soon as the VU was downloaded.
Also the fact that he’d recorded nearly four hours driving when he’d only been at work for less than 1½ hours suggests that the messed up manual entry meant he inadvertently continued the shift from the previous shift on a digital tachograph, and no amount of breaks or manual entries will rectify that.
I stand by what I said, the OP could not do a manual entry to correct the mistakes that had been made, the only sensible option was to do printouts and write on them the explanation for the mistake.
Got ya. Crossed wires. I was referring to the OP who suggested ejecting the card and putting back in after 45 minutes.
Was thinking set to break then remove card fly on and stick back in after 45
Would work for sure but it’s not a risk I’d take. As I said in my last post it’s a definite fine.
Next time just don’t do a manual entry. Or make sure you do it right look like you’ll just have to stop and take a break.
alix776:
Next time just don’t do a manual entry.
This can actually cause the problem on the new 1.4 tachos. If you ejected on other work then when you reinsert the card it will add the time between ejection and reinsertion as other work.
This is exactly how most people are adding the previous day’s work to their current day and getting drive time alarms within a few hours or some times minutes after starting work.
Unlike on the old ones where you click no manual entry and it takes the ejection as the end of your last day and insertion as the start of the current day. Well done Siemens, great idea.
Another problem is the symbols are now on the left and they used to be on the right, another source of confusion. Despite being years old now and us having hundreds of them on the fleet I still see drivers getting extra training on this in our traffic office.
Terry T:
alix776:
Next time just don’t do a manual entry.This can actually cause the problem on the new 1.4 tachos. If you ejected on other work then when you reinsert the card it will add the time between ejection and reinsertion as other work.
Funny that as I keep telling people to put it on rest just before ejecting and inserting cards to illiminate this problem ( of course you then do your normal manual entries) but you don’t get the problemThis is exactly how most people are adding the previous day’s work to their current day and getting drive time alarms within a few hours or some times minutes after starting work.
Unlike on the old ones where you click no manual entry and it takes the ejection as the end of your last day and insertion as the start of the current day. Well done Siemens, great idea.
Another problem is the symbols are now on the left and they used to be on the right, another source of confusion. Despite being years old now and us having hundreds of them on the fleet I still see drivers getting extra training on this in our traffic office.
