Truss Resigns

[franglais]

Because of the way the site works, and because some members don`t read back…Quoted here.

the nodding donkey:

robroy:

bigstraight6:

robroy:
Just been on 5 Live that Boris is thinking of chucking his hat in for the Tory leader/PM gig.
It won’t happen, but Christ…if only.
The main reasons I’d like to see it would be to ■■■■ off both the ‘partygate’ bandwagon crew, who were the catalyst for this present embarrassing National pantomime, …and to see the faces of the whinging remoaners …class.
Right up the strasse of my weird sense of humour.

I’d relish seeing him back, not just to see the reaction of the lefties and their media kin who wanted him gone in the first place, but he did win a very impressive majority at the last election with many seats that were unimaginable before with good reason.

That is what I’ve been saying all along.
They won by an unprecedented majority, because of …him.
Bet Starmer could not believe his luck when he was turned on by his colleagues,.their best asset for votes given the boot…, he must have thought it was his birthday.

Having a few glasses of Chardonnay and a vol au vent after work and at work suddenly does not look like it was worth all the fuss ( not that it did in the first place to anybody without an agenda ) compared to the cluster [zb] of events we see now eh?
A classic case of ‘‘Be careful what you wish for’’.

Rob, I know you are playing for bites, but you are sounding increasingl like you are believing what you say, and espousing ideas which a man with your experience would know better than to endorse.

It matters not, if Boris had a drink after work, during work, or if the did a conga through the houses of Parliament… he lied. That is why he can not be trusted, and THAT is why he can not be the leader of this country.
Not because he is a buffoon.
Not because he is a tory.
Not because of brexit.
Not because he stabbed his colleagues in the back.

But because he is a habitual liar. He can NOT be trusted. Ask his ex wife. Ask his ex girlfriends. Ask the mothers of his children.

Remember the “oven ready deal”?

He got his 80 seat majority on a promise, to “get brexit done”, with his “oven ready deal”.
He then reneged on the deal he signed, and treated to simply break international laws. You can laugh. You can smirk. But we are, and will, reap the rewards for this for many years to come.

Remember, how “fishing rights in our own waters” was a red line?
Ask the few remaining (not a pun) fishermen how that worked out.

Anyway I’ll leave it, it’s like banging your head against a wall. I hope you get Boris back. At least he’ll entertain us as he drives us off the cliff…

[robroy]

Is Frangers a mod now?

@ ND,
I stand by what I say…all that Boris is guilty of is what anybody else who perpetrates a crime, or any type of offence, or even telling lies…that is getting caught.
I’ve said before on here, imo the majority of MPs are liars, but some are better than others at hiding it and covering it.
Most are self centred, in it just for their own ends…, ok maybe a lot did not start like that, but most of em end up the same…look at the expenses scandal for instance, they all had their snouts in that particular lucrative trough, and let’s not even get on to the EU gravy train that they sucked the juice out of.

Thing is the difference between you and me is our individual views on Brexit, and the guy who delivered it, so we’ll never agree on any of this.
I also could not give a rat’s ass about his private life and his past relationships none of us are perfect on that score.
All I know is it was him that attracted voters to gain the tory’s unprecedented majority,.which was the poi t of my post.

So …after reading your post what we need is a certain type of MP to run for the job.
A paragon of virtue with the morals of Jesus, and the steadiness and competence of a neuro surgeon,.who never tells lies, and is wholly honourable in every way,… and looks after his mother.
Ok, good luck in finding him/her.
Any nominations btw?..they all have human traits and skeletons in cupboards.

[franglais]

robroy:
Is Frangers a mod now?

Hooked
youtube.com/watch?v=BF3NnFruoWQ

[franglais]

robroy:
All I know is it was him that attracted voters to gain the tory’s unprecedented majority,

At the time of their elections May was more popular with the public than Johnson.
I wont bother to put up a link, your attention span is too sh... . For those still awake, try your own search. Johnson did win well.....against that mighty opponent and darling of the UK media Jeremy Corbyn.....the only surprise is that he didnt do better!

But winning elections, which Johnson is good at isnt the same as doing a good job.....nuff said.

Or …not quite:

robroy:
to gain the tory’s unprecedented majority,

■■■■■■■■.
commonslibrary.parliament.uk/re … /cbp-7529/

[dozy]

I’m not sure rayner , Philips , ashworth , abbot , benn , thornberry etc are going to be better than the Torys , and that’s the problem , everyone thinks there some kind of competent party , but I just think it will be another kind of chaos’s
I’m voting labour but not holding out much hope , think the loony’s will have stammer gone in no time , then watch it all fall apart

[robroy]

Franglais:

robroy:
All I know is it was him that attracted voters to gain the tory’s unprecedented majority,

At the time of their elections May was more popular with the public than Johnson.
I wont bother to put up a link, your attention span is too sh... . For those still awake, try your own search. Johnson did win well.....against that mighty opponent and darling of the UK media Jeremy Corbyn.....the only surprise is that he didnt do better!

But winning elections, which Johnson is good at isnt the same as doing a good job.....nuff said.

Or …not quite:

robroy:
to gain the tory’s unprecedented majority,

■■■■■■■■.
commonslibrary.parliament.uk/re … /cbp-7529/

I see what you did there with the Mod/Rocker thing …(excellent choice of track by the way,.and topical.when you add the ‘Lizzy’ bit. )

As for your second post…and your ‘yawn’ link ‘yawn’,
I really think sometimes mate, that you ought to get out more you know

Btw it ain’t my attention span, it’s .my low boredom threshold.

[toonsy]

I think its an embarrassment to even consider going backwards, and that would also apply to anyone else being tekeported BACK into the head office. Never go back as they say.

It smacks of having no idea, hanging the hat on one person and hoping…

I said on here before Truss that the rules are wrong, that it shouldn’t be allowed to just impose a head of millions of people beat the behest of a tiny amount of people whether they be a political party membership or the MPs that represent us. The fairest way is a GE, appoint a leader then dissolve parliament and call a GE and then whichever party wins has secured a fresh mandate based on CURRENT affairs, not on affairs from way back when, and they’d be able to enact a plan iver five years. Whoever the Conservatives appoint is onky going to have two years, we need something longer term.

[franglais]

toonsy:
I think its an embarrassment to even consider going backwards, and that would also apply to anyone else being tekeported BACK into the head office. Never go back as they say.

It smacks of having no idea, hanging the hat on one person and hoping…

I said on here before Truss that the rules are wrong, that it shouldn’t be allowed to just impose a head of millions of people beat the behest of a tiny amount of people whether they be a political party membership or the MPs that represent us. The fairest way is a GE, appoint a leader then dissolve parliament and call a GE and then whichever party wins has secured a fresh mandate based on CURRENT affairs, not on affairs from way back when, and they’d be able to enact a plan iver five years. Whoever the Conservatives appoint is onky going to have two years, we need something longer term.

When there was a system of a Prime Minister being spokesperson for a Cabinet the system worked.
Now, we tend to have a Presidential system with one person setting the agenda and deciding the voting of the Cabinet.
Furthermore we now have a media driven beauty contest of leaders. Or rather a political “cult of personality”.

If we only had a change of figurehead, no problem, but youre right we dont anymore. we had Truss changing Tory policy.
Not to mention the arrogance and incompetence of the Exchequer: sacking a long standing and competent Permanent Secretary, then launching a bizarre Budget saying “Itll be fine. Trust me. Ill work it all out later”.

Yes the whole Parliamentary system needs overhauling.
Proper proportional representation would be very welcome too.
Ban non elected MPs from holding Cabinet Office too.

The country is in a mess.
The markets have already spoken. Moody`s today down rated us from “stable” to “negative” outlook.

Agree that 2 years isn`t enough to set things right. Who will invest in the UK when there could be another change in a year or so?
A General Election is needed for stability.

[franglais]

toonsy:
The fairest way is a GE, appoint a leader then dissolve parliament and call a GE and then whichever party wins has secured a fresh mandate based on CURRENT affairs, not on affairs from way back when, and they’d be able to enact a plan iver five years. Whoever the Conservatives appoint is onky going to have two years, we need something longer term.

For all the good it does, you/we are far from alone.
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/619781

ED to add.
Since the above petition has already been debated, here is a newer one.
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/621931

[the_nodding_donkey]

robroy:
Is Frangers a mod now?

@ ND,
I stand by what I say…all that Boris is guilty of is what anybody else who perpetrates a crime, or any type of offence, or even telling lies…that is getting caught.
I’ve said before on here, imo the majority of MPs are liars, but some are better than others at hiding it and covering it.
Most are self centred, in it just for their own ends…, ok maybe a lot did not start like that, but most of em end up the same…look at the expenses scandal for instance, they all had their snouts in that particular lucrative trough, and let’s not even get on to the EU gravy train that they sucked the juice out of.

Thing is the difference between you and me is our individual views on Brexit, and the guy who delivered it, so we’ll never agree on any of this.
I also could not give a rat’s ■■■ about his private life and his past relationships none of us are perfect on that score.
All I know is it was him that attracted voters to gain the tory’s unprecedented majority,.which was the poi t of my post.

So …after reading your post what we need is a certain type of MP to run for the job.
A paragon of virtue with the morals of Jesus, and the steadiness and competence of a neuro surgeon,.who never tells lies, and is wholly honourable in every way,… and looks after his mother.
Ok, good luck in finding him/her.
Any nominations btw?..they all have human traits and skeletons in cupboards.

0

Nobody is whiter than white. And to expect so would be silly.

But it’s not about Boris having been caught out because he did something wrong once, or even twice. He has lied and schemed his way through life from day one. He is a compulsive lier. He is …

Never mind. If you don’t see it, nothing I say will convince you. The list of his lies and broken promises speaks for itself.

And how did Boris deliver Brexit? His “oven ready deal” was a cobbled together attempt, which he reneged on the moment the ink dried on it. It has created a toxic atmosphere the could restart the trouble in Northern Ireland. We still have immigrants coming into the country by the boatload (intentional pun…). We have to jump through exoensive hoops to import our food. We have a shortage of workers willing to do the backbreaking work harvesting what little food we don’t import.

I could go on.

I will.

Where are his 50000 new nurses?
His new policemen?
His new Hospitals?
His high speed train to the North? (Oh, of course, the North ends at Salford, silly Northeners)

And btw, where does your assertion that I’m a “remainer” comes from? I was neither pro or against brexit, because I saw the pros and cons of both. Now that we have left, I think we should make it work. I have never rubbed my hands in glee, when something went badly, because of us leaving. You know why?
Because it effects our funking future. That’s why.

[carryfast]

Franglais:

toonsy:
I think its an embarrassment to even consider going backwards, and that would also apply to anyone else being tekeported BACK into the head office. Never go back as they say.

It smacks of having no idea, hanging the hat on one person and hoping…

I said on here before Truss that the rules are wrong, that it shouldn’t be allowed to just impose a head of millions of people beat the behest of a tiny amount of people whether they be a political party membership or the MPs that represent us. The fairest way is a GE, appoint a leader then dissolve parliament and call a GE and then whichever party wins has secured a fresh mandate based on CURRENT affairs, not on affairs from way back when, and they’d be able to enact a plan iver five years. Whoever the Conservatives appoint is onky going to have two years, we need something longer term.

When there was a system of a Prime Minister being spokesperson for a Cabinet the system worked.
Now, we tend to have a Presidential system with one person setting the agenda and deciding the voting of the Cabinet.
Furthermore we now have a media driven beauty contest of leaders. Or rather a political “cult of personality”.

If we only had a change of figurehead, no problem, but youre right we dont anymore. we had Truss changing Tory policy.
Not to mention the arrogance and incompetence of the Exchequer: sacking a long standing and competent Permanent Secretary, then launching a bizarre Budget saying “Itll be fine. Trust me. Ill work it all out later”.

Yes the whole Parliamentary system needs overhauling.
Proper proportional representation would be very welcome too.
Ban non elected MPs from holding Cabinet Office too.

The country is in a mess.
The markets have already spoken. Moody`s today down rated us from “stable” to “negative” outlook.

Agree that 2 years isn`t enough to set things right. Who will invest in the UK when there could be another change in a year or so?
A General Election is needed for stability.

The irony when you support the EU Federal government system run for the benefit of German bankers.

[robroy]

Here’s a link especially for Frangers, we all know how he likes his links, he’ll love this one.
bbc.com/news/uk-politics-63353097

[narc]

robroy:
Here’s a link especially for Frangers, we all know how he likes his links, he’ll love this one.
bbc.com/news/uk-politics-63353097

I didn’t want to upset him with the links earlier on, I cannot believe how defensive people get over certain news outlets, they are all in it together left and right, their business is to make money first and that’s a fact.
What an absolute shambles though ‘facepalm’.

[robroy]

the nodding donkey:

robroy:
Is Frangers a mod now?

@ ND,
I stand by what I say…all that Boris is guilty of is what anybody else who perpetrates a crime, or any type of offence, or even telling lies…that is getting caught.
I’ve said before on here, imo the majority of MPs are liars, but some are better than others at hiding it and covering it.
Most are self centred, in it just for their own ends…, ok maybe a lot did not start like that, but most of em end up the same…look at the expenses scandal for instance, they all had their snouts in that particular lucrative trough, and let’s not even get on to the EU gravy train that they sucked the juice out of.

Thing is the difference between you and me is our individual views on Brexit, and the guy who delivered it, so we’ll never agree on any of this.
I also could not give a rat’s ■■■ about his private life and his past relationships none of us are perfect on that score.
All I know is it was him that attracted voters to gain the tory’s unprecedented majority,.which was the poi t of my post.

So …after reading your post what we need is a certain type of MP to run for the job.
A paragon of virtue with the morals of Jesus, and the steadiness and competence of a neuro surgeon,.who never tells lies, and is wholly honourable in every way,… and looks after his mother.
Ok, good luck in finding him/her.
Any nominations btw?..they all have human traits and skeletons in cupboards.

0

Nobody is whiter than white. And to expect so would be silly.

But it’s not about Boris having been caught out because he did something wrong once, or even twice. He has lied and schemed his way through life from day one. He is a compulsive lier. He is …

Never mind. If you don’t see it, nothing I say will convince you. The list of his lies and broken promises speaks for itself.

And how did Boris deliver Brexit? His “oven ready deal” was a cobbled together attempt, which he reneged on the moment the ink dried on it. It has created a toxic atmosphere the could restart the trouble in Northern Ireland. We still have immigrants coming into the country by the boatload (intentional pun…). We have to jump through exoensive hoops to import our food. We have a shortage of workers willing to do the backbreaking work harvesting what little food we don’t import.

I could go on.

I will.

Where are his 50000 new nurses?
His new policemen?
His new Hospitals?
His high speed train to the North? (Oh, of course, the North ends at Salford, silly Northeners)

And btw, where does your assertion that I’m a “remainer” comes from? I was neither pro or against brexit, because I saw the pros and cons of both. Now that we have left, I think we should make it work. I have never rubbed my hands in glee, when something went badly, because of us leaving. You know why?
Because it effects our funking future. That’s why.

If I could be arsed I could research and make a list of past PMs and general MPs who have made and then broken promises and manifesto points, if only to prove my point about all MPs being dodgy.

I could also make a list of disadvantages and pitfalls of being in the EU, but what’s the point,.we are never going to agree.

If I’ve offended you by implying you are a EU remainer/remoaner,.I can only apologise.

At the end of the day all the posturing,.arguing and complaining is going to have zero effect on what happens, because as in time immemorial the ■■■■ s will do whatever tf they want to.

[robroy]

Narc:

robroy:
Here’s a link especially for Frangers, we all know how he likes his links, he’ll love this one.
bbc.com/news/uk-politics-63353097

I didn’t want to upset him .

Why ever not?
It’s always good for a laugh .
Here’s another one…

‘‘Boris flies in after hearing the good news.’’

[franglais]

robroy:
Here’s a link especially for Frangers, we all know how he likes his links, he’ll love this one.
bbc.com/news/uk-politics-63353097

“His campaign claims…”
But it wouldnt surprise me at all if it is true. It also wouldnt surprise if it is flying a kite.
Shocking, but not surprising.

“You can fool some of the people all of the time”, after all.

[owenmoney]

robroy:

Narc:

robroy:
Here’s a link especially for Frangers, we all know how he likes his links, he’ll love this one.
bbc.com/news/uk-politics-63353097

I didn’t want to upset him .

Why ever not?
It’s always good for a laugh .
Here’s another one…

‘‘Boris flies in after hearing the good news.’’
0

Allow me, here, to consider the motivation of Johnson. Let’s be clear, he doesn’t need the money, and will be fully aware of all the pressures and stresses which come with the role of PM. So why would he want to come back? Does a single person in this country believe he’s doing it with the best of intentions? He clearly doesn’t care a jot about other people, and in no way can he believe he’s capable of sorting this mess out. Even he must understand that becoming PM again would fracture both country and party.

The only rational explanation I can derive for his behaviour is that he wants to kill the Parliamentary investigation into lying. If that concludes his guilt his reputation would be severely damaged - even in the public-speaking, column-writing gutter world he expects to thrive in.

If I’m correct, he is therefore willing to deepen the damage to both country and party purely to subvert justice and democracy.

What a staggering self-serving ■■■■ of a person.

[lancpudn]

[owenmoney]

m.youtube.com/watch?v=pCtNxp7sfhE

[franglais]

A ten minute reminder for us all.
Useful for the clear timeline too.
youtube.com/watch?v=32VuifwudhQ&t=66s

Are “all politicians the same”?
None are perfect, they are all human.
Johnson is in a class of his own.