Driveroneuk:
DF. Lets assume its 2 lanes merging into one, the left one. If those in the left lane fail to drive in accordance with the Highway Code’s advice to “merge in turn” i.e. 1 from the left, 1 from the right, then those approaching the end of the open right lane are left with no option than to bully their way in, but its not them in the wrong is it? Its those in the open lane not driving in accordance with the HWC.
Edit: (on reading the rest of the thread) which is basically just what Cruise Control said (when he eventually got the picture ) at 10.25pm (why aren’t posts numbered in this forum? Makes for easy reference).
Now that there are more posts…
I wasnt saying that people should join a single lane 2 miles back from the works, I wasnt suggesting that people should close the door at the closure.
What I was pointing out to Orys, was the nature of the beast as I saw his post as more of a question than a statement.
Driverone, I totally agree with you. If EVERYBODY drove to the correct standards in this instance, then the “merge in turn” scenario is great and works well. Unfortunately, as you know, it doesn’t work that way.
switchlogic:
It’s an irritating and idiotic manovure by people who childishly can’t stand anyone getting in front of them. Ever heard of or know the meaning of ‘merge in turn’? It’s what’s suppose to happen.
■■■■ right, typical of the ‘after me you’re first attitude’ that is sadly all too common now, I suggest a quick read the Highway Code, which coincidentally, is a list of rules & regulations governing the highways & byways of this green & not very pleasant anymore land.
ROG:
The new highway code recommends to ‘merge in turn’ and there is a good reason for this -
If the planners had meant for the outer lane (in most cases) not to be used then they would have coned it off earlier.
The idea is to use all the available tarmac and then merge in turn at, or just prior to, where the lanes actually merge.
CULTURE -
This seems to be against the UK culture of the liking to queue and consider it ‘rude’ to pass others that are waiting - USA drivers are brought up with ‘zip merging’ as part of their driving culture
This culture thing is now why more places such as busy post offices have a single line that leads up to many open counters - does not happen in most supermarkets though…
Well ROG, the yanks have become all British lately, as they too will all sit in a line miles away from the obstruction, most states have a ‘zip’ law & post signs telling you when to merge, I obey the signs & frequently sail past 2 or 3 miles of stationary traffic, it upsets a few people, but hey ho, life’s a ■■■■■
newmercman:
‘… typical of the … attitude that is … all too common now …’
Q. And what’s the Government doing?
A. It cowardly applauds our ‘diversity’ (as much as we’re ‘diversified’ over what to do in a simple traffic snarl, for Pete’s sake) as they vacuum in more migrants through Dover to make us even more diverse, etc, etc
Q. So what does society do?
A. Vote them back time after time after time, etc
Conclusion: If society continues to do what society has in recent years done, it will continue to get what it has now become accustomed to (ie, self-shafting)
newmercman:
‘… typical of the … attitude that is … all too common now …’
Q. And what’s the Government doing?
A. It cowardly applauds our ‘diversity’ (as much as we’re ‘diversified’ over what to do in a simple traffic snarl, for Pete’s sake) as they vacuum in more migrants through Dover to make us even more diverse, etc, etc
Q. So what does society do?
A. Vote them back time after time after time, etc
Conclusion: If society continues to do what society has in recent years done, it will continue to get what it has now become accustomed to (ie, self-shafting)
Keith, I believe we share our hatred for the shambolic excuse we have for a government, but you cannot blame them for society, it’s the electorate that allows them to continue diluting our ‘Britishness’ as you rightly say, it will continue to do so until we do something about it, we both know that won’t happen, tomorrows voters live in a world where the push of a button solves everything, the act of actually doing something is beyond them, the likes of you & I are doomed to becoming modern day Alf Garnetts mate, except I hate West Ham
newmercman:
tomorrows voters live in a world where the push of a button solves everything the act of actually doing something is beyond them,
and what wrong with that, works fine when my crappy MAN breaks down, just push the “auto destruct” button it beats doing something like fixing it. no point flogging a dead horse
Driveroneuk:
‘…Amazing how … The coning off of a lane & subsequent driver behaviour has now become a political issue!..’
I’m as torn by the argument/debate within this thread as any - and have experienced zip-merging work perfectly and with good signage in Germany where the Polizei keep that nations wheels rolling with a presence amongst its people & its traffic. I respectful many of their ways of ‘doing things’ - though not of their larks in Poland, etc, obviously.
Meanwhile back in our back yard - who took plod off the motorway, gave us cheaper but toothless HATO’s/PCSO’s/etc, abandoned immigration control, applauds diversity …and has got the nation skint if it aint our masters - whom we are daft enough to tolerate. Politics & its neglect at our level is with us on our roads - not just on Newsnight. The next time any of us when out on the road thinks ‘I’ll scam this’ will do so because having slippery boundaries allows us to - except we’re all getting irrate because the whole nation is also scamming it whilst our leader (?) lauds it up on the world stage ironically when few here seem to have asked him to.
Davnic:
IMO,if everyone merged whilst on the move,BEFORE reaching the cones,instead of driving until they ran out of road,all traffic would be able to keep moving instead of the nearside lane having to come to a halt to allow vehicles from lane two to come in at the last minute.
Spot on, but too difficult for the mentally retarded
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yorkshireborn:
i disagree, why should i join the back of a que where the signs are telling you to merge, only to watch an endless number of selfish, impatient, im more inportant than you ignorant [zb] drive to the front and expect to be let in the que. you should join ques at the back as people do in shops, i take great pleasure in holding up the [zb]. yes i have heard of merge in turn it means as it says ‘in turn’, not drive past however many vehicles you wish and then try joining the que at the front.
That’s brings my example again: so if you are in Tescos, do you pick the till where is the longest queue to do not be a [zb] who jumps over them using other till, when less people with half empty carts are waiting?
ive yet to see a sign in tesco ques saying merge in turn, if you were trying to use this as an example its not a good one to use.
yorkshireborn:
ive yet to see a sign in tesco ques saying merge in turn, if you were trying to use this as an example its not a good one to use.
Off course there are not any signs in TESCO’s, but example is very good: you got many lanes, queues on them, some longer, some shorter and then you all leaving through the same doors.
My most favourite place is on the A628,on a wet day going up in two lanes to the traffic lights at Mottram. This really tests patience and professionalism to the “max”.
The outside lane eventually is right turn only.
Fully freighted you creep slowly up the hill, naturally leaving a safe space between yourself and vehicle in front. Doing this you can you can maintain a steady forward speed.
Then up the outside lane whizzes car and neatly pulls in front of you and stops. After the tenth nicely executed hill start even my years of care and consideration start to crumble!
Rant finished.
yorkshireborn:
ive yet to see a sign in tesco ques saying merge in turn, if you were trying to use this as an example its not a good one to use.
Off course there are not any signs in TESCO’s, but example is very good: you got many lanes, queues on them, some longer, some shorter and then you all leaving through the same doors.
the point im making is about people not merging in turn, so i cannot see how the supermarket example works■■? its not about using all lanes that are open its about not merging in turn.
) at 10.25pm (why aren’t posts numbered in this forum? Makes for easy reference).
- USA drivers are brought up with ‘zip merging’ as part of their driving culture 
