Trucker gets 110 years in jail, whos side are you on?

So this young trucker brake fails and causes a massive pile up on the motorway 27 people die and is getting sentenced to 110 years a lot of the people are not happy with the sentence saying it could of happened to anyone…

thoughts, i think if he used his engine brake/retarder and idk drove accordingly but i think 110 year is too much thought guys ( i wasn’t there just speculating )

nytimes.com/2021/12/22/us/c … tence.html article

Pic said trucker

youtu.be/PtfbqaFUnHM - video of said incident

edit: a lot of people are planning to boycot the area saying sentence is too steep and they feeling sympathy for driver

That sentence is insane

Looking on the bright side he might get out in 100 years for good behaviour :smiley:
Course it’s ridiculous, but it’s the US innit.

The difference in America is that their sentence’s run concurrently so he likely got 20 odd years for each death plus other offences.

TruckDriverBen:
So this young trucker brake fails and causes a massive pile up on the motorway 27 people die and is getting sentenced to 110 years a lot of the people are not happy with the sentence saying it could of happened to anyone…

thoughts, i think if he used his engine brake/retarder and idk drove accordingly but i think 110 year is too much thought guys ( i wasn’t there just speculating )

nytimes.com/2021/12/22/us/c … tence.html article

Pic said trucker

youtu.be/PtfbqaFUnHM - video of said incident

edit: a lot of people are planning to boycot the area saying sentence is too steep and they feeling sympathy for driver

Only 4 people died.

As a brand new driver myself, I would accept that sentence after doing what I understand he has done.

Not using an escape lane when she should have? You’d accept being twenty something and facing dying in prison? Yeah, you wouldn’t. Easy to say.

switchlogic:
Not using an escape lane when she should have? You’d accept being twenty something and facing dying in prison? Yeah, you wouldn’t. Easy to say.

No, in my position, not being 20.
To me it seems like he’s been willing to take on the responsibility of driving a truck without learning how to, nor learning English sufficient to read road signs.

The 4 people that died, died at whatever age they were and have no prospect of release for good behaviour. A life for a life I guess.

stu675:

switchlogic:
Not using an escape lane when she should have? You’d accept being twenty something and facing dying in prison? Yeah, you wouldn’t. Easy to say.

No, in my position, not being 20.
To me it seems like he’s been willing to take on the responsibility of driving a truck without learning how to, nor learning English sufficient to read road signs.

The 4 people that died, died at whatever age they were and have no prospect of release for good behaviour. A life for a life I guess.

If his brakes failed I would consider if it is even worth sentencing him. I’d be looking at the company whose job it was to ensure the brakes were maintained.

youtube.com/watch?v=1Hp-l3nxUcc
Seems he can speak English fairly well.

youtube.com/watch?v=Zl_Kjc4zo3E

Intent plays quite an important part in all this.
Also how many guys on this forum actually check their brakes when they see signs for a runaway ramp? Not many I bet.

I personally think he should get 5 years max or be put on release.

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You know the sentence is mental when even the prosecution are asking the judge to reconsider the sentence and reduce it.

wasnt there a young tipper driver out of bristol whos brakes failed a few years back ended up killing people and was facing life in prison. Cant remember the details but im sure they ended up procecuting the company.

cooper1203:
wasnt there a young tipper driver out of bristol whos brakes failed a few years back ended up killing people and was facing life in prison. Cant remember the details but im sure they ended up procecuting the company.

Indeed there was, a young girl was killed. Both driver and employer were found guilty, as was right.

cooper1203:
wasnt there a young tipper driver out of bristol whos brakes failed a few years back ended up killing people and was facing life in prison. Cant remember the details but im sure they ended up procecuting the company.

Bit of a difference in those cases.
Bath tipper, the driver was unaware, but the vehicle was very badly maintained.
Owner and fitter both jailed I think.

As I understand it the US driver was accused of driving badly and his brakes failed because he didn’t correctly use retarder and gears, and the brakes overheated and faded through his actions, not lack of workshop maintenance.
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Not commenting on the length of sentence here, just on the alleged cause of accident.
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Sidevalve:

cooper1203:
wasnt there a young tipper driver out of bristol whos brakes failed a few years back ended up killing people and was facing life in prison. Cant remember the details but im sure they ended up procecuting the company.

Indeed there was, a young girl was killed. Both driver and employer were found guilty, as was right.

And the mechanic as well

blue estate:

Sidevalve:

cooper1203:
wasnt there a young tipper driver out of bristol whos brakes failed a few years back ended up killing people and was facing life in prison. Cant remember the details but im sure they ended up procecuting the company.

Indeed there was, a young girl was killed. Both driver and employer were found guilty, as was right.

And the mechanic as well

4 dead including 4yr old girl.
Driver Potter not guilty of all charges.
Owner Gordon 7yr 6mth, Mechanic Wood 5yr 3mth
bbc.com/news/uk-england-38774080

In Bath incident the driver was unaware of brake defects, he had used the brakes and the vehicle had stopped, although on flatter roads.
In Colorado its alleged...found...that the driver knew his brakes were fading, but he still passed at least one escape run-off. . Also note that the Judge didnt want the sentence imposed.
“Jefferson County District Judge Bruce Jones said Colorado law required he impose the mandatory minimum sentences to all the counts Aguilera-Mederos was convicted of, but that he had “no desire” to send him to prison for life.
“If I had the discretion, it would not be my sentence,” Jones said”
reuters.com/world/us/truck- … 021-12-14/

nickyboy:
The difference in America is that their sentence’s run concurrently so he likely got 20 odd years for each death plus other offences.

Consecutively, not concurrently. Concurrently, he would only service the longest sentence.

Franglais:
4 dead including 4yr old girl.
Driver Potter not guilty of all charges.
Owner Gordon 7yr 6mth, Mechanic Wood 5yr 3mth
bbc.com/news/uk-england-38774080

I suspect that the only thing which saved the driver’s skin was his youth; though he will have to live with the knowledge that his actions killed four people.

Cba to go through the virtual jumping through hoops b/s to create account etc to read the article, but from the posts on here mentioning stuff like not using escape routes, brake fade, lack of gear usage, and all the rest of it, it sounds as if the guy is just another incompetent f/wit with a truck licence.
I remember talking to a guy on here was it ''Robin Hood ’ ? he ain’t been on TN for a long time.
He was an ex pat Brit driving in the US, he totally dispelled the myth to me one night about US truckers being like the Rubber Duck and Sonny Pruitt and the like. :smiley:
I know you should not generalise, but he told me the majority, or at least a high percentage of immigrants who drive over there ain’t got a clue, and that the US (like us) had more than their share of incompetents who should not be let anywhere within 6 feet of a truck cab…

Looking at that vid he was tear arse airborne coming down that hill, to the stage of looking for somewhere to place it off the road to save lives if he was a decent driver, but he didn’t and evidently he wasn’t.

10 years for manslaughter and a lifetime driving ban, followed by deportation …but I drive a truck, I ain’t a judge in a court of law.

Driver Potter was taught how to pass a test with not a thought towards how to control a loaded lorry on steep hills, green as grass and being a new driver would have no prior knowledge or experience on which to base a complaint even if he dared do so, a complaint would probably have seen him sacked off anyway given the third rate operation involved, as such most of us had great sympathy with the young chap because many of have been in a similar situation in our first jobs, where the older of us had advantage is that cars and vans had crap brakes too back in the day so we’d learned about such things as brake fade or brakes locking up when empty and just how little grip tyres really have in the wet long before we got anywhere near a full size wagon.

Sadly you see full on-the-brakes driving is the norm on the roads now for trucks, which is ok up to a point with modern disc braked well maintained vehicles on average roads with average loads where someone who knows bugger all either is footing the bills for the excessive brake wear, its not professional lorry driving but sadly no bugger knows why its not nor cares any more.
You combine drum brakes all round with poor maintenance on a fully loaded vehicle and things can change very quickly, once the brakes have overheated by constant braking there’s nothing in reserve and little even the most experienced of drivers could do to recover the situation Potter found himself in once the brakes have faded out save smash the vehicle into a ditch or something and hope for the best.

Had he been taught properly how to use appropriate gears and any auxilliary systems (exhaust brake typically, if working which if i recall it wasn’t) to control the vehicle using brakes only to assist rather than as the only means of slowing the vehicle that tragedy would not have happened, Potter and the company directors and mechanic weren’t the only people that should have been in the dock that day.
Potter wasn’t let off because he was young, he was as much a victim as those who perished, let down by ■■■■ poor training ■■■■ poor maintenance and ■■■■ poor management.

The video for the case in question is shocking, what the hell speed was the bod doing as he barrelled past the car running the video, anyone driving a vehicle has to make constant judgements of their speed in relation to and planning for what is happening ahead, he failed to do so, for what combination of reasons (training, competence, vehicle condition, previous driving etc) we will probably never know.
Yes the sentence is harsh, just as many sentences in this country are excessively lenient even when there are multiple victims, much depends on who the victims are in the UK, shouldn’t be but fact.

What this case shows, and be honest now we work with or see them doing their thing every day, there are a number of people out there at the wheel of wagons who shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near one, end of, you can train and educate stupid till you’re blue in the face, it’ll still be stupid.

nickyboy:
The difference in America is that their sentence’s run concurrently so he likely got 20 odd years for each death plus other offences.

I think you meant “consecutively”. Concurrently is what we have over here in most cases.

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