Truck dealerships past & present

transporter man:

Lawrence Dunbar:

tyneside:
On Tyneside we had
Bedford Adams & Gibbon (several branches) taken over by Bristol Street Motors
Albion FW (Ted) Cawthorn on the Team Valley, merged into Hargreaves,
Dodge North Eastern Motors Lemington
Mercedes Bell Trucks, (Jim Bell, nice fella) have 4 or 5 branches now
ERF Paynter & Stadium , Can’t remember where they were originally (Larry will know!) but ended up at Shiremoor, That place ended up with Buist above the door and were Leyland dealers. It was then a Dickens DIY and is now Boundary Mills.
Scania Union Trucks Killingworth
Foden Can’t remember who the dealers were (in Darlington I think) but I Know some warranty work was done at Tilcon Birtley. Theo James at Bedlington was a repair agent.
DAF Brian Sharp on Teeside, ERF originally I think, which then turned into North East Daf Trucks and had a place at St Lawrence on the Quayside,then ended up at Blaydon.

There was a Leyland depot on the Team Valley but that was turned over to Hargreaves who seemed to own a lot of the Leeds dealerships. Eventually Hargreaves closed the workshop and just had an industrial unit for spares. Warranty work was done at BRS TVTE or at Stockton.

One day in 1967 the two Tait brothers turned up with F86 and a N series (had a long bonnet) demonstrators. I think they were both 6 wheel tippers. My father was tempted to buy Volvo but was a bit worried about the dealers being so far away from us.

Hi Tyneside, ERFs were at Gosforth Traded as Stadium Garage Owned by a fellow named Davison IIRC, there was a a bloke in the spares dept who just asked what you wanted & walked away & handed the part to you, No looking at parts books or reference sheets He was a marvel I only new him as Joe, The good old simple days, Regards Larry.

Charles Buist were Morris, Murray & Charlton Austin same motors different badges. Paynter were Gardner & merged with Stadium Garage. For us it was a god send Buist took them over, as our biggest customer it became apparent that the FJ 360 unit was not up to the transporter job we were using Leyland & Atkinson the first ERF went into service Jan 1970 which pleased the Buist directors.
AEC dealer was Hodgson.

IIRC The foreman at PS At Shiremoor was Jimmy Shaw. & The head man at Hodgsons was called Saunders, He new more about AECs than anyone, The good old days, Regards Larry.

Eddie Heaton:

Boatchaser:
Who remembers the dealership just past Haydock Park racecourse, first it was a Foden then it became a DAF. Can,t think of its name was it poss North West Commercials it was on the A49 opposite the school

The place you’re on about was called Warrington Commercials. You’re going back a bit there though mate. The premises were taken over by Robinsons saddlers from Wigan. I used to drink in the pub next door, The Collier’s Arms, or as we preferred to call it, The Dull Pick. The place burned to the ground about 20 years back. ( the dealership that is, not the pub), although the pub’s long gone as well now. Eddie.

Eddie
Thak you for that soon as I read it the name popped into my Head , What about RYLANDS in Warrington . Are they still there and at one time were they not called Warrington Commercials again its going back a bit but I think they were Seddon / Atkinson agent . Also I remember ENSOR (Is that the right spelling ) on the grange Ind Est being down one of the little roads and a line of new Mercs for Foley. Not sure if it was Rufford or Rivington Court

Rylands in Warrington used to be North Cheshire Motors. Dodge distributors at one time.

They also had L.T.D. Lacashire Truck Distributors on Kirkby industrial estate.

Don’t know about Rylands boatchaser, but you’re on the money with Ensor motors, they were backed onto the side of Safeways old place on the Grange estate. They also had a place at the top of Blackburn, Shadsworth to be precise. Just a few hundred yards up the road from Jack Walker’s. I stand to be corrected here, but I suspect they also had a dealership somewhere around the S.O.T. area, possibly Chesterton. In fact, I think the company originates from the Potteries. Someone on here will put me right on that one I have no doubt.
For reasons of which I know nothing , they changed their name to Ensa. Again this would be about 20 years ago. I don’t know if they exist anymore, I don’t get around much these days.
Incidentally, getting back to Ashton in Makerfield, there was another dealer by the name of J.W. Ratcliffe & sons. Their premises were situated on Low Bank Road, about a mile from Warrington Commercials site, but apart from a brief, somewhat catastrophic dalliance with an M.A.N. franchise, they dealt only in second hand, or in salesman’s parlance ’ pre - loved ’ vehicles. If you have an old copy of Commercial Motor from the 60’s or 70’s, you’ll find them in there. Cheers. Eddie.

Eddie Heaton:
Don’t know about Rylands boatchaser, but you’re on the money with Ensor motors, they were backed onto the side of Safeways old place on the Grange estate. They also had a place at the top of Blackburn, Shadsworth to be precise. Just a few hundred yards up the road from Jack Walker’s. I stand to be corrected here, but I suspect they also had a dealership somewhere around the S.O.T. area, possibly Chesterton. In fact, I think the company originates from the Potteries. Someone on here will put me right on that one I have no doubt.
For reasons of which I know nothing , they changed their name to Ensa. Again this would be about 20 years ago. I don’t know if they exist anymore, I don’t get around much these days.
Incidentally, getting back to Ashton in Makerfield, there was another dealer by the name of J.W. Ratcliffe & sons. Their premises were situated on Low Bank Road, about a mile from Warrington Commercials site, but apart from a brief, somewhat catastrophic dalliance with an M.A.N. franchise, they dealt only in second hand, or in salesman’s parlance ’ pre - loved ’ vehicles. If you have an old copy of Commercial Motor from the 60’s or 70’s, you’ll find them in there. Cheers. Eddie.

Eddie
That Ensor garage was there new one, they were down ether Rivington or Rufford court when they first moved onto the Grange. They are off the main rd in the middle of the Est ( Hardwick Grange) nearly opposite what was the entrance to Safeways

Anyone remember Housleys (Ford Dealers), Ardwick Manchester, & IIRC, Blakes Bedford Dealers Manchester, Regards Larry.

Who was the Atkinson dealer in West Yorks, I think it was Relliance in Brighouse that was the ERF dealer

A few more Rylands Saltwells Road Netherton Dudley, Sed Atki dealer,South Worcestershire Motors Stourbridge? Bedford Dealer,Charles Clark Cannock Leyland Redline’s and Brownhill’s Commercials Leyland’s. Nearly forgot Leyland Motor’s Oldbury Depot, think i spent more time in there with my Dad than i did at school :smiley:

Can anyone remember Edwards and Thompsons on York Road,Doncaster.One was a Bedford dealer and the other a British Leyland dealership I think.Somebody jog my memory.

bestbooties:
I worked for Albert Chatfield, Ford agent in Hanley where I got to be nightshift workshop foreman.
When I had a Transcon on Brit European that’s where I would take it for a service.
I then worked at Commercial Engineers in Burslem who took on the FIAT dealership when they first came into the country.
We supplied FIAT trucks to Chapman and Ball for their m/e operation, which is where I went after Brit European.
Tillotson Engineers were AEC agents in Newcastle.
Beech’s of Hanley were ERF agents until they moved to Stoke with Barry Davey as manager. (Son of Arthur and Hilda).

Ian!!! you missed out Rylands on the leek road…Ensor (enza) chemical lane…Richardsons (foden,s) down that road near
jack Wilds… Longton motors guy /bmc leyland… Kays near the lights at Cobridge and Byatts (Bedford) Vicky road…people will
think we had no dealers in the Stoke area.
John

central garage ackworth, which belonged to ackworth transport, main dealers for scammells, but they were also main dealers for daf back in the sixties they were all left hand drive but converted to rhd, they ended up buying them thereselves because nobody bought them, they just looked like a monkey, weird looking things ,
also erfs at Brighouse cant think of their name but when we went on to erfs that’s where we got them from,

atlas man:
Who was the Atkinson dealer in West Yorks, I think it was Relliance in Brighouse that was the ERF dealer

Comberhill Ltd Wakefield were Atki Dealers, Regards Larry.

Albion Motors Ltd Trafford Park, Opposite the Man U football stadium. I had a repair done to my Albion Clydesdale 723 BBB, In their workshop one day The service was spot on, No hanging about with their fitters in out in a flash, Then into the Southern Oil Co Ltd in the Park to load up for Newcastle on Tyne, This SOC, Became part of the Kraft Group in later years. Regards Larry.

Longfield Road Motors (Darlington) were Seddon dealers on Tyneside, firstly on the Quayside at St Lawrence then moving to Killingworth, Harvey Coombe Close. I noticed the other day when passing the building still has an ERF sign on it.
Scania Union Trucks were firstly situated on Railway St Newcastle and AEC dealers Hodgson on Junction of Benton and Cornel Rd became Tillotson early 1970, the building is now a fitness centre as opposed to a fitters centre! I believe Northeastern Motors were ERF dealers but memory is not too clear on that as North East Truck and Van blurs it a bit, they later became IVECO but may have been Sed/Aki dealers before that.
There was Ford too but can’t recall if it was Crossley or something similar in the 60’s before Strakers. Blackwood Hodge for ■■■■■■■ engines. The Northeast was well covered by most manufacturers but there were a lot of name and dealership changes after the 70’s/80’s when some of the British makers started to disappear, you certainly got around Newcastle tracing parts if you had a mixed fleet in those days. Franky.

Frankydobo:
Longfield Road Motors (Darlington) were Seddon dealers on Tyneside, firstly on the Quayside at St Lawrence then moving to Killingworth, Harvey Coombe Close. I noticed the other day when passing the building still has an ERF sign on it.
Scania Union Trucks were firstly situated on Railway St Newcastle and AEC dealers Hodgson on Junction of Benton and Cornel Rd became Tillotson early 1970, the building is now a fitness centre as opposed to a fitters centre! I believe Northeastern Motors were ERF dealers but memory is not too clear on that as North East Truck and Van blurs it a bit, they later became IVECO but may have been Sed/Aki dealers before that.
There was Ford too but can’t recall if it was Crossley or something similar in the 60’s before Strakers. Blackwood Hodge for ■■■■■■■ engines. The Northeast was well covered by most manufacturers but there were a lot of name and dealership changes after the 70’s/80’s when some of the British makers started to disappear, you certainly got around Newcastle tracing parts if you had a mixed fleet in those days. Franky.

Do you remember minories commer dealer below tillitsons on Benton park road. Jeh.

Evening all,

Just a few personal memories, rather than a list of Dealerships that I have known, or dealt with over, (too many years)!!!

So the family had lost its main, (well paid), work back in the late 60s. As the sole, and only member of my Uncles “International Division”, I was faced with somewhat of a dilemma…to stay driving a lorry, either for the family, (and at this juncture my International work seemed to be leading me up and down the road to the far North of Scotland…and the digs I slept in were not either as warm, or clean as the French Hotel Commercial, that I had become used to)! or seek better prospects with another employer, or go in another direction…

I was not short of job offers, but somehow the prospects, (however alluring the machinery…remember I was driving day cab Fodens to Southern Italy), did not appeal…and I was seriously “romantically” engaged… and life would need to change!

Then one Thursday night I was reading the Job Section of Wolverhamptons Express and Star, and there was an advertisement for, “A junior Commercial Vehicle Salesman”, at Old Hill Motors in the Black Country…So consulting my Oxford English Dictionary, (to check my spellings, for even then, and still today, I cannot spell…in any language), I wrote a letter of application…and received a date for interview.

Old Hill Motors was situated along the road from sunny Dudley, to dank Halesowen, below the spa centre of Netherton, and in the lee of the hill upon which the citadel of Blackheath was built

So toward the sunlit concrete forcourt of his establishment I walked in the evening sunlight, (feeling a tad uncomfortable in my only blue suit, collar and tie), and a little concerned that my AEC Marshall, with its, (perhaps it is best to say, “substantial” load of Brymbo wire), would be ok , parked on the gradient next to that spectacular “Rock and Roll” venue, Ma Regans Old Hill Plaza…( John, Paul, George , and Ringo played there in 64),.but the wheels were tight against the kerb!

I was interviewed by the General Manager, a Ray Roberts, whose (quite well executed), cut down Mk 6 Bentley basked in the evening sunshine below his office window, the rays of that same sun reflected upon the bust of Churchill on his sideboard!

Well either I was the only candidate, or I was cheap to employ…but I got the job!

Old Hill had been bought out by Bill Whales Ryland Group from Birmingham, and as such “we” were agents for Atkinson, (how my heart throbbed)!, Albion, and Thompson Trailers…and SEDDON…

In effect we got the dogs that Ryland could not sell…and what superb dogs they were! Atkinsons on 40x8s, with LWs to power them, Ford Traders, worn out from years of abuse on the Birmingham construction sites, Seddons, (if new), of such peculiar specification, that only an inebriated person could dream up, the odd Bedford, and odd would be the word…But new Atkinsons…no, no, no,…non available old boy!

Now I was the Junior Salesman, and I worked for the Senior Salesman…a certain Stan Stennett…a man of such pedigree, and background who tought me a terrific amount about business, and people in general.

Stan had ridden the TT for HRD, he had ridden Speedway for Douglas, and been a Guy Factory Test Driver. And he could turn a deal from nothing to success without any effort. My goodness he was like a Fox in a Chickencoop…and we got on like a house on fire…which was beneficial, as our General Manager was a really quite unpleasant character, to put it kindly!

Of course Ryland Street was Group Headquarters, where we went with bowed heads, as the under dogs! And Ryland was a seething hub of business, Fleet Hire at Colshill, run from Ryland St, by the amiable Gentleman Dennis Barter, contract Hire and rental to the Petro chemical industry, the Bedford Furniture Van business, Atkinson main agents, (and my pal Chris Kelly as yet another “junior salesman”). Then there was the Dobson operation up in Edinburgh, and Whale Tankers at Solihull, and of course those bloomin Seddons!

But I discovered that Ryland kept their chassis stored at the old water works in Ryland St,…and in their compound were all sorts of delights…Mk 1 Atkinsons, with 180 ■■■■■■■■ and 150 Gardners, 8x4 tipper chassis, Seddon V8 28 ton tractors, even , oh, so desirable Mk 2 Atkinson Silver Knight 9ft 6in wb ex Bass Contract Hire, 180 Gardner tractors…but in the wilds of Old Hill we were never told about these gems!

Now I had become friendly with a young lady who just happened to operate the Group stock control…and having explained my predicament as a young man who needed to earn money to become bethrothed, she would telephone me to alert me to the fact that a desirable piece of kit was coming into stock…say anything Gardner powered…

Once alerted, Stan and I would ring our prospective clients, (funny how most seemed to be in Shropshire…around Oswestry area) Then the day after the choice lorries arrival, we would be at the Waterworks…Stans HA Viva weighed down with two new heavy duty 12 volt batteries, and 20ft long jump leads, plus our tools, (do you remember how easy it was to gain entry to a locked Atkinson cab)…at a very early hour!

And we were away into the pre rush hour traffic…into dear Shropshire, a deal done, a cheque received…back to Old Hill before business hours, the cheque given to the accounts ladies…(what fragrant perfume filled the accounts office)…then we made ourselves scarce for the rest of that day…for when Rylands men were having their morning coffee…we were spiriting away yet another chassis from under their noses!!

What a crazy way to work…and when it came to pay out time…without exception our commission would be reduced for some fabricated reason…but that was how it was…

But every day was exciting, and every lorry a challenge, and did we handle some lorries, and did we have some fun!

But the Craic was great, and we became known as the “Sorcerer and his Apprentice”, and I am still proud of that today!

Cheerio for now.

Frankydobo:
Longfield Road Motors (Darlington) were Seddon dealers on Tyneside, firstly on the Quayside at St Lawrence then moving to Killingworth, Harvey Coombe Close. I noticed the other day when passing the building still has an ERF sign on it.
Scania Union Trucks were firstly situated on Railway St Newcastle and AEC dealers Hodgson on Junction of Benton and Cornel Rd became Tillotson early 1970, the building is now a fitness centre as opposed to a fitters centre! I believe Northeastern Motors were ERF dealers but memory is not too clear on that as North East Truck and Van blurs it a bit, they later became IVECO but may have been Sed/Aki dealers before that.
There was Ford too but can’t recall if it was Crossley or something similar in the 60’s before Strakers. Blackwood Hodge for ■■■■■■■ engines. The Northeast was well covered by most manufacturers but there were a lot of name and dealership changes after the 70’s/80’s when some of the British makers started to disappear, you certainly got around Newcastle tracing parts if you had a mixed fleet in those days. Franky.

This Seddon 32/4 came to us new from Longfield Road Motors Darlington in August '74 and it went into service in the September on double shifts,great motor smooth as silk and it could “■■■■ all over” SOM Big J’s ! :wink: Cheers Bewick.

The ERF Dealer in Norwich in the 70’s was HLH on Whiffler road,I bought a new ERF “A” Series,over the phone, from them in late 75’ which I put into service in Jan 76’.The actual unit I thought I’d bought was 180LXB/DB 6:600/Eaton 2 speed but what their delivery driver brought us was a 180LXB/Fuller 609/Kirkstall D85 axle.I was immediately tempted to tell him to ■■■■ off back to Norwich with it but they had my brass! I phoned them and kicked up ■■■■ but they told me there had been a “■■■■ up” and a “Mr Sutton” from St.Helens had got the the other unit :open_mouth: Anyway,so I had another think and decided that this unit they had sent me maybe wasn’t too bad a spec after all so I agreed to keep it and after I had got ERF’s to fit a higher ratio crown wheel which lifted it’s top speed from around 55 MPH to about 63 MPH it turned out to be a cracking little motor and my favourite ERF of all time,the Fuller gearbox really made it and was far better than a DB 6:600 lump!!! Cheers Bewick.

Frankydobo:
Longfield Road Motors (Darlington) were Seddon dealers on Tyneside, firstly on the Quayside at St Lawrence then moving to Killingworth, Harvey Coombe Close. I noticed the other day when passing the building still has an ERF sign on it.
Scania Union Trucks were firstly situated on Railway St Newcastle and AEC dealers Hodgson on Junction of Benton and Cornel Rd became Tillotson early 1970, the building is now a fitness centre as opposed to a fitters centre! I believe Northeastern Motors were ERF dealers but memory is not too clear on that as North East Truck and Van blurs it a bit, they later became IVECO but may have been Sed/Aki dealers before that.
There was Ford too but can’t recall if it was Crossley or something similar in the 60’s before Strakers. Blackwood Hodge for ■■■■■■■ engines. The Northeast was well covered by most manufacturers but there were a lot of name and dealership changes after the 70’s/80’s when some of the British makers started to disappear, you certainly got around Newcastle tracing parts if you had a mixed fleet in those days. Franky.

Hi Frankydobo, North Eastern Motors were Dodge dealers, Firstley in Railway Street Then, Lemington, Stan Kenney was their foreman fitter in those days, The fellow that owned it also owned Union Trucks, Plus Colvinair Ltd at Gateshead, He was called Colvin Smith, The ERF dealer that I recall in the 80s Was at Blaydon opposite North East Leyland Daf as it was called in those days ,Regards Larry.

The other Ford dealer in the town was Dex Ltd, And Paynter Ltd the Gardner people were on Melbourne Street before joining forces with Stadium Garage Ltd, Marks & Spencer now have the spot at Gosforth where Stadium Garage used to be, How things have changed over the years, Regards Larry.