yes you can do the same course 5 times
Most training schools will try to assist but I do not think RR are behaving in an unreasonable manner from the situation as you describe it
I also think that there might be some SQA rules about this …
If you are hoping to claim this course towards cpc, then RR are absolutely correct as you wouldn’t complete the number of hours close enough to each other to qualify.
There’s been no mention of initial cpc so I presume you hold a C1, probably on acquired rights.
Pete 
Darrenb:
Just a very quick update and a question if you don’t mind.I have this week passed my counter balance forklift course. Next week I am down to do my ADR course as part of my cpc, however at present something has come up halfway through my course and its possibly looking like I will have to miss half a day therefore not be able to complete it. Redrose Training are being a bit bitchy about it and saying will lose the course full stop. I have asked if could jump on another course and complete the second part but got the blunt answer back of NO!!. They have messed me about a couple of times regarding courses, nothing major and I have worked with them however with this no help at all. The course is four days and worth 21 hours cpc, which I will lose. My question is and I believe I will answer my own question in this. Am I right in saying for cpc you can do the same course five times if you wish to get the 35 hours?
Hi Darrenb,
Sorry mate but Red Rose are correct and you seem to possibly be mixing up two different rules…
An ADR course is an attendance course, so any absence will result in an incomplete course with the result that Red Rose have correctly given.
The only exception to this is the tanker module, because that is a ‘stand alone’ module, which means that you can do it separately if you wish. Most providers timetable the tanker module to start on the Thursday just after lunch once the ‘packages only’ guys have left.
Red Rose aren’t being bitchy about it, because to do it any other way than I’ve explained would leave them risking their ADR provider’s licence and possibly their JAUPT accreditation as well.
Your other point about doing the same DCPC course five times is correct, but IMHO has no bearing on the question you’ve asked, because to obtain an ADR licence, you must attend on the specified three days and take the exams, usually on the morning of the fourth day. These rules aren’t some Mickey Mouse company policy twaddle, these are ‘proper’ rules from the DfT which are overseen and enforced by SQA hence the very real risk to their provider’s licence if an SQA verifier does a spot-check and the headcount isn’t correct when compared to the number of exam papers submitted for that course.
It might be possible to rearrange/transfer your course to a future date if you speak nicely to Red Rose, but it’s entirely up to them.
Another comment I’d make is that I really think that you’d have got the same answer, no matter which ADR provider you dealt with.
If you can persuade Red Rose offer to rearrange/transfer your ADR course for you, possibly by giving them a very good reason, then I’d accept that if I were in your shoes. 
Possibly confused everyone.
My only gripe is that Red Rose will not rearrange my course for me after all they have messed me about with other courses cancelling them etc, causing me problems.
Pete yes I am on grandfather rights.
OH well have to wait and see, does anybody have any idea of the cheapest course to do as going to be 21 hours short so will need to pay for three other courses and cant afford to pay for adr again as sure there is cheaper courses to do again. I am already doing hiab and tacho for fourteen hours.
Maybe do tacho twice (it bears repeating) and first aid twice?
Did my Counterbalance with RedRose.Excellent people but,save your money and put it to a Gas course or the like.Don’t make the mistake(& it is) of coming into this game mate.I have regretted it for 21yrs.I have a Class 1,ADR With Tanks,Hiab & Forklift.It’s crap buddy.Really!Don’t do it.Only ‘Truck polishers’ with advise you otherwise.
Just an update for you. I did my ADR course last week and as previously mentioned the office being a bit stupid with me. However turned up on the Monday and did two days of the course and got my 14 hours of cpc. Missed one day but still had the option to go in on the fourth and do the exam which I did.(Not holding much out there). Just need to find seven more hours from somewhere. Anybody got seven hours they want to give away lol.
Today been and done my Tacho course including WTD. Interesting course and managed to understand most of it. Becomes confusing with fixed weeks and regular week patterns, but hey ho will get there. Do my class C driving next week four five hour days and test on the Friday. Worst thing is bust my left wrist the beginning of the week and it is slowly easing. Struggle to apply the car handbrake. Fingers crossed.
Find out if the CAT C course is approved for dcpc.
Good luck with it, Pete
Peter Smythe:
Find out if the CAT C course is approved for dcpc.Good luck with it, Pete
Unfortunately Pete it is not.
Well today was my first day of training in Cat C.
Arrived on time pushing it a little bit to make it on time. First thing first I thought nice vending machine coffee and find out whats happening. Well coffee machine took five minutes to warm up sign of things to come maybe.
Back downstairs and met my instructor for the week and yes I am with Frank.
Out to the wagon and its a MAN with a four over four gearbox. Walk round with pointing out the obvious things in the engine to check and explained a few questions may get asked. Nice to see that it has a function on it to check that the lights etc all work, nice touch.
Out on the road and Frank driving first showing me the ropes, it all seemed to be just going over my head all I could keep hearing was Mirrors, Mirrors, slow down centre of the road. After five minutes that was it into the driving seat, set my seat up only later to change the position as it would help if you could see the speedometer.
At first kept forgetting fifth and straight into six. Only had a couple of incidents with the switch. Out on the road did find that whenever I changed gear to fifth or six I decided to turn the wheel over to that side a bit. That soon stopped. It was amazing how much slower you do things and how much more time you pinch in doing them. Approaching junction to turn left or right it was slow, slow, slow mirror, mirror, signal, mirror mirror gear change then mirror mirror and turn left/right. So many mirrors. Only clipped one curb during the day on a roundabout where I tucked into the middle to much, I didn’t feel it but Frank said I caught it.
Back to the training centre and onto the reverse. At first struggled as to how far to go back, was going to far back and a couple of times touched the barrier. Eventually I think I have got it right. The reverse well Frank shown me first and it just did not seem to go on, however first attempt and straight into the box. Second attempt started to turn back to soon after passing the first post. Corrected it and got it in not a problem. Couple of more attempts and feel this is coming on nicely. Its all about taking your time and doing it slowly and smoothly. Felt good towards the end.
Back out onto the road and seems felt as if they where falling into place a bit better. Did a couple of times forget mirror checks as went into junctions to fast. Slow it down listen to yourself I kept telling myself. I do seem to rush things in life a bit and is a bit of a character trait I have. Frank was good and don’t feel he shouted once at me. Did all the different starts, uphill, downhill, angled. Felt all went well. Onto the motorway and back to the depot with no major issues I felt and certainly not beeped at by anyone.
Things to watch now:- Need to look in my mirrors while turning the corners for rear swing. Need to slow down more when going through narrow gaps and approaching junctions. Need to pick up speed more after slowing down. And obviously bloody mirrors.
Its all about taking your time planning ahead and forget that you may feel your holding people up, however to do it safely and avoid causing danger its the only way.
Back into my own car to go home and god did I feel low down. The fun continues tomorrow.
how many times did you go for the range change switch in your car ?
Darrenb:
Well today was my first day of training in Cat C.Arrived on time pushing it a little bit to make it on time. First thing first I thought nice vending machine coffee and find out whats happening. Well coffee machine took five minutes to warm up sign of things to come maybe.
Back downstairs and met my instructor for the week and yes I am with Frank.
Out to the wagon and its a MAN with a four over four gearbox. Walk round with pointing out the obvious things in the engine to check and explained a few questions may get asked. Nice to see that it has a function on it to check that the lights etc all work, nice touch.
Out on the road and Frank driving first showing me the ropes, it all seemed to be just going over my head all I could keep hearing was Mirrors, Mirrors, slow down centre of the road. After five minutes that was it into the driving seat, set my seat up only later to change the position as it would help if you could see the speedometer.
At first kept forgetting fifth and straight into six. Only had a couple of incidents with the switch. Out on the road did find that whenever I changed gear to fifth or six I decided to turn the wheel over to that side a bit. That soon stopped. It was amazing how much slower you do things and how much more time you pinch in doing them. Approaching junction to turn left or right it was slow, slow, slow mirror, mirror, signal, mirror mirror gear change then mirror mirror and turn left/right. So many mirrors. Only clipped one curb during the day on a roundabout where I tucked into the middle to much, I didn’t feel it but Frank said I caught it.
Back to the training centre and onto the reverse. At first struggled as to how far to go back, was going to far back and a couple of times touched the barrier. Eventually I think I have got it right. The reverse well Frank shown me first and it just did not seem to go on, however first attempt and straight into the box. Second attempt started to turn back to soon after passing the first post. Corrected it and got it in not a problem. Couple of more attempts and feel this is coming on nicely. Its all about taking your time and doing it slowly and smoothly. Felt good towards the end.
Back out onto the road and seems felt as if they where falling into place a bit better. Did a couple of times forget mirror checks as went into junctions to fast. Slow it down listen to yourself I kept telling myself. I do seem to rush things in life a bit and is a bit of a character trait I have. Frank was good and don’t feel he shouted once at me. Did all the different starts, uphill, downhill, angled. Felt all went well. Onto the motorway and back to the depot with no major issues I felt and certainly not beeped at by anyone.
Things to watch now:- Need to look in my mirrors while turning the corners for rear swing. Need to slow down more when going through narrow gaps and approaching junctions. Need to pick up speed more after slowing down. And obviously bloody mirrors.
Its all about taking your time planning ahead and forget that you may feel your holding people up, however to do it safely and avoid causing danger its the only way.
Back into my own car to go home and god did I feel low down. The fun continues tomorrow.
Sounds like a typical first lesson however you don’t seem phased by it all (very positive sign)
All the best with the rest of the week.
Paul 
It’s not an easy thing to take on. If you can cast your mind back to the days when you did your car licence, i imagine it was one lesson a week for however long it took for you and your instructor to feel comfortable about putting in for your test.
However! taking on your class 2 is a completely different kettle of fish after all.
A larger vehicle with a gear box that should be in an air craft for how it feels and only a week to master it to test standard! If you think about it it’s a bloody hefty thing to take on. I didn’t take to my class 2 instructor rollicking me every time I made a mistake and he did not fill me with any confidence whatsoever going into the friday of my test, but i passed somehow and have lived happily ever after. I assume it was an 18 tonner if it had 4 over 4?
Seems like a good start - keep it up.
Pete
Second day of training today and chucking it down some what. Out and about we went straight away, Seemed to start of well and a bit downhill from there. While out on the road felt I slowed down a lot more going around roundabouts, approaching junctions. Back at base and onto the reverse pad. First time back no problems except hit the barrier at the back. Just cant pick my spot correctly for the stop. Turn etc all fine, still getting to close though to the barrier going to have to find a different point to pick up on. For some reason once back out on the road had half dour of madness. hill start set off without indicating. Second attempt forgot to put it in gear. Began approaching hazards to fast and bullying my way through. Lets just say the air was blue in the gab then for a while.
After a short break felt things started to come back again. Not so many mirror shouts today from Frank. I am now just to heavy on the breaks and to fast on the accelerator when slowing down and getting going again at times.
Unsure about today felt I was going forwards in my drive then backwards again. Just need to work on the above and my approach to hazards and should be ok. At the end asked Frank if I would have passed if not screwed the hill start up , would not commit himself but certainly did not say I would not.
Time to think and slow down, just hazards and not so heavy footed. As long as I brake safetly approaching junctions and not rush it all as feel going too slow then should be fine fingers crossed.
Unsure day today.
It’s quite normal to have a step backwards during training. After all if you were perfect now you would be paying for training you don’t need.
It’s sounds like its all coming together.
Keep it up Darren and enjoy your training.
Paul
hill start set off without indicating. Second attempt forgot to put it in gear. Began approaching hazards to fast and bullying my way through
I’ll try and help. The hill start without indicating would certainly not be a serious fault provided it was safe to move. But it’s always best to signal, whether or not you believe there’s someone to signal to (there could be someone close up behind for instance).
Forgetting to put it in gear. The way I read it is that this was on the hill. Presumably the truck rolled back - serious fault.
Approaching hazards too fast and bullying - serious.
But don’t worry. All that’s happening is that you are more comfortable with the truck and your trainer and you’ve relaxed. But, the same as many other folks, you’ve relaxed a bit too much and you’re driving it like a car and not concentrating.
Just have a word with yourself - don’t beat yourself up though - and it will be fine tomorrow.
All the best, Pete
Today,
Well I felt it has come together a lot more. The reverse no need to hit the barrier to know I am back far enough. Tomorrow I feel I will know I am stopping short and get out have a look before moving back that final bit.
Out on the road a lot slower, still a little bit too fast at times but nothing major and certainly not enough to cause a danger to anyone. Just need to read up on questions now and see how it goes.
All the best with it - sounds promising.
Pete
Good luck for tomorrow hope it goes well for you