Iggy:
Then there’s the point about anticipating other road users actions… Can anyone honestly say that they’d expect the vehicle in front to stop in a box junction on an empty roundabout with a green traffic light??
NO - that is why that point should be pointed out in any correspondence as I did in my last post.
Thanks for sharing this, Iggy …am keen to learn the outcome, which given your very reasonably defended case informs us all of Nanny’s pitfalls designed to nip the real road abusers albeit at huge and undue time, effort and upsetting expense to you.
Maybe advise the road mandarins that their ‘one-size’ camera trigger does not ‘fit-all’?
Happy Keith:
Thanks for sharing this, Iggy …am keen to learn the outcome, which given your very reasonably defended case informs us all of Nanny’s pitfalls designed to nip the real road abusers albeit at huge and undue time, effort and upsetting expense to you.Maybe advise the road mandarins that their ‘one-size’ camera trigger does not ‘fit-all’?
I’ll keep the thread updated as it evolves…
If your front tyres crossed the line on amber then you haven’t broken the law. The vehicle has crossed the line before turning red. A driver at my company got caught at hanger lane in similar circumstances and appealed the decision requesting photographic evidence. He was let off when they saw that the trailer set the camera off, but the unit had crossed on amber.
EnglishTrucker:
If your front tyres crossed the line on amber then you haven’t broken the law. The vehicle has crossed the line before turning red. A driver at my company got caught at hanger lane in similar circumstances and appealed the decision requesting photographic evidence. He was let off when they saw that the trailer set the camera off, but the unit had crossed on amber.
good point there …
along with your tacho it would show where you were forced to stop and it would be the trailer that kicked the camera off
EnglishTrucker:
If your front tyres crossed the line on amber then you haven’t broken the law.
I’m afraid that is not correct - under the strict interpretation of the law, the amber light means stop.
There is also a provision in that law that says - if safe to do so.
I’m sticking my neck out on this as I am positive but I’ll bow to the superior knowledge of Shrek if he says other
ROG:
EnglishTrucker:
If your front tyres crossed the line on amber then you haven’t broken the law.I’m afraid that is not correct - under the strict interpretation of the law, the amber light means stop.
There is also a provision in that law that says - if safe to do so.I’m sticking my neck out on this as I am positive but I’ll bow to the superior knowledge of Shrek if he says other
Slightly OT but is there a set of guide lines as to how long amber should be show when changing to red, as some traffic lights I have seen amber is fairly quick to change to red but on others it lingers for longer and slower to change to red, does it just go on THAT particular junction as that could make all the difference if there is a jumper and your first axel has already crossed the line as it changes from green to amber.
ROG:
[I’m afraid that is not correct - under the strict interpretation of the law, the amber light means stop.
No, it is NOT an offence to cross the line on amber.
In regards to how long it should be on amber: 3 seconds in England and Wales.
Other than the information required by the NIP (i.e. confirming you were the driver) you should give them absolutely no information or explanation until you have seen all the photgraphs. Otherwise you may well provide the evidence they need to convict you of the red light or another offence.
Once you have the photograph{s} you might want to provide an explanation that does no more than explain what the photograph shows.
petrock:
Other than the information required by the NIP (i.e. confirming you were the driver) you should give them absolutely no information or explanation until you have seen all the photgraphs. Otherwise you may well provide the evidence they need to convict you of the red light or another offence.Once you have the photograph{s} you might want to provide an explanation that does no more than explain what the photograph shows.
I’ll not be saying anything until I’ve seen the photo.
I came through that junction again tonight and tried to keep an eye on the camera as I came through to see what chance there is of the other car being shown in situ… Hard to tell though, so I’ll have to wait until I get a copy of what they have…
I was once told by a young traffic officer that tried to nick me that quote " all of the vehicle must be over all of the line before it changes to red", I pointed out the with a unit and 40’ trailer even when crossing at green I would have to be moving fast to get over in time if it started to changed as the front of my truck crossed the line. If the guys that set the cameras use that rule we are all in trouble…
I never did hear anymore so I guess his boss put him right 
I’ve had my letter and Conditional Offer of a Fixed Penalty.
I’ve written out a cheque for the Sixty Quid and enclosed my licence for the three points.
I was going to argue this, but I can’t afford to take a day off work, travel costs and the the risk of a higher fine if I go to court.
I feel that the lack of access to represent yourself in a case like this is poor and often costs more than the value of the conditional fine, forcing people to roll over and pay up.
So, next time your following a car on to an empty roundabout with a green light and yellow hatched box junction, just bear in mind that they may stop for no reason and your ■■■ will be caught on the red light camera… Sixty Quid and three points for the pleasure… 
Is it still a 30 quid fine for not displaying the number plate ?
I remember when doing my HGV driving lessons that we were to treat all traffic lights as a junction, green or otherwise. Rog may back me up on this one.
When approaching a traffic light, even if was on green we were to adjust our speed and anticipate that the light may turn to red. We would therefore be prepared to stop before the line, therefore avoiding all the ■■■ stuff asscoiated with box junctions, red light cameras and being stranded in the middle of a busy junction.
Breaker One-Nine:
I remember when doing my HGV driving lessons that we were to treat all traffic lights as a junction, green or otherwise. Rog may back me up on this one.
When approaching a traffic light, even if was on green we were to adjust our speed and anticipate that the light may turn to red. We would therefore be prepared to stop before the line, therefore avoiding all the ■■■ stuff asscoiated with box junctions, red light cameras and being stranded in the middle of a busy junction.
Ease off on approach in a flexible gear at a reasonable speed and then determine where the ‘cannot stop’ point is and at that point, increase speed.
no point in slamming on especially with a load on - better to go through on amber.
What I would do is ask to see the photo, which will most likely only show the trailer. Then I would write back pointing out that there isn’t a motor vehicle in the photo. Worked for me.
Iggy i know its abit late now but ive only just read the thread.
are you in the union at royal mail. If so you should have gone to them and they would have put you in touch with a solicitor that deals with traffic law.
As posted in another recent thread they got 3 drivers off offences 2 being red light offences and 1 regarding the camera in the limehouse link and that was due to an incorrect sign being in place.
As i say i know its abit late now but it may help in future and it also helps if your rep is half decent and not doing the job for his own benefit