switchlogic:
So court date set 13/14 months after the incident……is a delay that long common in our rickety system? Seems a bit ridiculous to me.
It is far too…
Long but, I believe the excuse these days is (unsurprisingly) covid caused the backlog.
switchlogic:
So court date set 13/14 months after the incident……is a delay that long common in our rickety system? Seems a bit ridiculous to me.
Blame brexit, COVID and the backlog, oh and price increases and working from home. All used as excuses why things can’t get done these days In a timely manner.
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switchlogic:
So court date set 13/14 months after the incident……is a delay that long common in our rickety system? Seems a bit ridiculous to me.Blame brexit, COVID and the backlog, oh and price increases and working from home. All used as excuses why things can’t get done these days In a timely manner.
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To be fair, I’m not sure doing things in a timely manner as ever been one of this countries strong points
Dangerous driving’s a bit steep innit ? Could he actually go to jail ? Nobody was hurt so I think a charge of reckless driving is more appropriate. BTW I’m not a bleeding heart liberal.
remy:
Dangerous driving’s a bit steep innit ?
Could he actually go to jail ?
Nobody was hurt so I think a charge of reckless driving is more appropriate.
BTW I’m not a bleeding heart liberal.
- No.
- Yes.
- “Reckless Driving” isn’t a UK offence, we have “dangerous” and “careless or inconsiderate”.
There is no need for someone to actually be injured for it to be “Dangerous Driving”, just the potential for injury - Not a bleeding heart liberal, but I’m thinking also not a UK legal professional either
cps.gov.uk/crime-info/driving-offences
The offence of dangerous driving under section 2 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 is committed when the defendant’s driving falls far below the standard expected of a competent and careful driver and it would be obvious that driving in that way would be dangerous – section 2A of the RTA 1988.
Some typical examples from court cases of dangerous driving are:
racing, going too fast, or driving aggressively;
ignoring traffic lights, road signs or warnings from passengers;
overtaking dangerously;
driving under the influence of drink or drugs, including prescription drugs;
driving when unfit, including having an injury, being unable to see clearly, not taking prescribed drugs, or being
sleepy;
knowing the vehicle has a dangerous fault or an unsafe load;
Penalties
Dangerous driving: 2 years’ imprisonment / Unlimited fine / Obligatory disqualification; Points: 3 to 11 (if exceptionally not disqualified)
Zac_A:
remy:
Dangerous driving’s a bit steep innit ?
Could he actually go to jail ?
Nobody was hurt so I think a charge of reckless driving is more appropriate.
BTW I’m not a bleeding heart liberal.
- No.
- Yes.
- “Reckless Driving” isn’t a UK offence, we have “dangerous” and “careless or inconsiderate”.
There is no need for someone to actually be injured for it to be “Dangerous Driving”, just the potential for injury- Not a bleeding heart liberal, but I’m thinking also not a UK legal professional either
cps.gov.uk/crime-info/driving-offences
The offence of dangerous driving under section 2 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 is committed when the defendant’s driving falls far below the standard expected of a competent and careful driver and it would be obvious that driving in that way would be dangerous – section 2A of the RTA 1988.Some typical examples from court cases of dangerous driving are:
racing, going too fast, or driving aggressively;
ignoring traffic lights, road signs or warnings from passengers;
overtaking dangerously;
driving under the influence of drink or drugs, including prescription drugs;
driving when unfit, including having an injury, being unable to see clearly, not taking prescribed drugs, or being
sleepy;
knowing the vehicle has a dangerous fault or an unsafe load;Penalties
Dangerous driving: 2 years’ imprisonment / Unlimited fine / Obligatory disqualification; Points: 3 to 11 (if exceptionally not disqualified)
I stand corrected then, thanks.
remy:
Dangerous driving’s a bit steep innit ? Could he actually go to jail ? Nobody was hurt so I think a charge of reckless driving is more appropriate. BTW I’m not a bleeding heart liberal.
Personally I don’t think someone lacking awareness to that level should ever hold a licence again
Copycat attempt in Derbyshire
WhiteTruckMan:
The usual excuse given these days seems to be mental illness.
Admit to that, and you’ll kiss goodbye to driving anything beyond a mop and bucket…
(Government cuts have put paid to institutions where you can try your hand at basket weaving…)
switchlogic:
So court date set 13/14 months after the incident……is a delay that long common in our rickety system? Seems a bit ridiculous to me.
I don’t know but:
Whatever happened to the young driver who was@ wheel for a Sawyers Subbie 4/5yrs ago and killed two people in two separate cars on A75 speeding rushing for boat!!!
Few drivers mates live about Dumfries/Stranraer and never heard ANYTHING about it going to court/in the local papers etc etc!!!
Just Googled and crash was in 2018 but nothing about court case/verdict etc.
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Zac_A:
remy:
Dangerous driving’s a bit steep innit ?
Could he actually go to jail ?
Nobody was hurt so I think a charge of reckless driving is more appropriate.
BTW I’m not a bleeding heart liberal.
- No.
- Yes.
- “Reckless Driving” isn’t a UK offence, we have “dangerous” and “careless or inconsiderate”.
There is no need for someone to actually be injured for it to be “Dangerous Driving”, just the potential for injury- Not a bleeding heart liberal, but I’m thinking also not a UK legal professional either
cps.gov.uk/crime-info/driving-offences
The offence of dangerous driving under section 2 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 is committed when the defendant’s driving falls far below the standard expected of a competent and careful driver and it would be obvious that driving in that way would be dangerous – section 2A of the RTA 1988.Some typical examples from court cases of dangerous driving are:
racing, going too fast, or driving aggressively;
ignoring traffic lights, road signs or warnings from passengers;
overtaking dangerously;
driving under the influence of drink or drugs, including prescription drugs;
driving when unfit, including having an injury, being unable to see clearly, not taking prescribed drugs, or being
sleepy;
knowing the vehicle has a dangerous fault or an unsafe load;Penalties
Dangerous driving: 2 years’ imprisonment / Unlimited fine / Obligatory disqualification; Points: 3 to 11 (if exceptionally not disqualified)
Nice legal work. Wonder if he’ll try to get off by saying he didn’t know it was unsafe, which though unintentional, is perhaps incompetent.
Mr Vern, I am surprised that you wouldn’t have been aware of the CJS on its knees due to chronic lack of funding from the government, before the pandemic the approximate case backlog was 55,000, post pandemic that shot up to about 85,000.
Before Covid arrived they sold off court property to make a quick Buck or two and reduced the workload of judges, this is evident by verification on Xhibit Court website to see its only a handful of cases per day depending on the court.
For the tipper driver, the case will be delayed as it’s only pencilled in for the trial date of which the date can change all the time due to delays in the CJS and from his defence team and CPS evidence.
My estimate is late 2024 when the case is disposed of, on average defendants have to wait three years or more for their trials and some are waiting even longer.
He may have mitigation factors, and experts in certain fields have to be paid for to write their evidence and be forensic witnesses in the court.
Depending on his savings, legal aid threshold limits have to be tested, any legal representation can be severely delayed until his defence team have been paid and legal aid payments can be delayed for payment of services such as professional people such as doctors, professors, consultants or an engineer ,in case he is going down the route of faulty equipment with non functioning of warning devices.