Franglais:
manalishi:
I guess the meat quality would be improved as well without the adrenal secretions activated by the animals at death point.Now if only they would consider not pumping them full of growth hormones into the bargain those nice people at kfc et al. 
I think growth hormones in meat for human consumption is banned in the EU but allowed in US, Canada, and some other places. The EU ban applies to meat imports too of course.
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Wouldn’t be suprised if theres a gamut of unatural additions to our food chain regardless of the “official” narratives,our entire food chains compromised by corporate food,I don’t trust for one second our EU guardians.The fundamental problem,especially with fruit and veg is the lack of soil quality,that deprives us of the necessary nutrients needed due to intensive rotavation.It takes over a hundred years for the six inches of topsoil to establish it’s health giving potentials.Chemicals activated to stop berries,for example,succumbing to,natural rot are the very chemicals needed for human health,anti cancer agents essentially.Trouble there is if they get to that stage during late growth,they wouldn’t be much use in the supermarket.
If they do intend rolling out the satanic American beef model where cows never see grass in their entire lives,I can’t see a reason to consume the product in any shape or form at all,it will be totally free of all vitamin content normally gained from pasture land.What a truly bleak prospect.
Carryfast:
Don’t think there’s much difference bleedin inhumane and a pointless expense regardless.On that note try breathing in a plastic bag even close to the point of CO2 saturation it’s not much different than being strangled.Probably why they found the Kursk flooded with the surviving crew probably having chosen drowning rather than suffer CO2 saturation.
While surely it would be better to just use a large sealed stable type area with roomy pens with straw etc where the animals would have no idea that it’s a death factory and just reduce the air pressure to levels that creates firstly euphoria/carelessness then unconciousness just as oxygen deprivation does in the case of humans.
youtube.com/watch?v=XcvkjfG4A_M
“Old Sparky” is the way to go here. 
Harry Monk:
Carryfast:
While surely it would be better to just use a large sealed stable type area with roomy pens with straw etc where the animals would have no idea that it’s a death factory and just reduce the air pressure to levels that creates firstly euphoria/carelessness then unconciousness just as oxygen deprivation does in the case of humans.
youtube.com/watch?v=XcvkjfG4A_M
“Old Sparky” is the way to go here.
Strangely I’d always been under the impression that the sadistic psychos who seem to be in control of the whole question of executions and animal slaughter had typically deliberately chosen DC current for executions rather than an AC type of shock.The difference being that the former cooks the victim.As opposed to AC hitting them with a massive AC type shock especially industrial supply 415 volts.However history seems to have been altered to suggest vice versa in that regard.While the scene in the film the Green Mile among other accounts of electric execution witnesses seems to confirm the former with the victims certainly not being killed instantly by a quick electric shock.
As I said anything other than execution/slaughter by decompression as shown,when we know the beneficial effects that would provide for the victims,raises questions over the mental state of those choosing the other options regardless and they should at least be asking themselves questions regarding their choice and state of mind in making it.
Carryfast:
Harry Monk:
Carryfast:
While surely it would be better to just use a large sealed stable type area with roomy pens with straw etc where the animals would have no idea that it’s a death factory and just reduce the air pressure to levels that creates firstly euphoria/carelessness then unconciousness just as oxygen deprivation does in the case of humans.
youtube.com/watch?v=XcvkjfG4A_M
“Old Sparky” is the way to go here.
Strangely I’d always been under the impression that the sadistic psychos who seem to be in control of the whole question of executions and animal slaughter had typically deliberately chosen DC current for executions rather than an AC type of shock.The difference being that the former cooks the victim.As opposed to AC hitting them with a massive AC type shock especially industrial supply 415 volts.However history seems to have been altered to suggest vice versa in that regard.While the scene in the film the Green Mile among other accounts of electric execution witnesses seems to confirm the former with the victims certainly not being killed instantly by a quick electric shock.
As I said anything other than execution/slaughter by decompression as shown,when we know the beneficial effects that would provide for the victims,raises questions over the mental state of those choosing the other options regardless and they should at least be asking themselves questions regarding their choice and state of mind in making it.
Am I reading this right cf,the decompression as demoed by Portillo you posted,is this essentially,death by getting too high? 
if so, kind of makes you wonder why terminally ill folks are paying vast ammounts in a Swiss clinic, imbibing a liquid suicide potion when it could be a much more "enjoyable"prospect utilising the Portillo option.
manalishi:
Am I reading this right cf,the decompression as demoed by Portillo you posted,is this essentially,death by getting too high? if so, kind of makes you wonder why terminally ill folks are paying vast ammounts in a Swiss clinic, imbibing a liquid suicide potion when it could be a much more "enjoyable"prospect utilising the Portillo option.
Firstly I’d guess that there are no such licenced facilities for such use.But yes the general consensus seems to be that it’s probably the easiest way to go in terms of removing the body’s natural survival instinct and any feelings of fear/stress/pain which goes with it and replacing it with what seems to be termed as ‘euphoria’ to the point where the victim couldn’t care less.Including the conclusion reached by Portillo and the operators of the testing facility also seeming to go along those lines.While from memory the second example included references to WW2 unpressurised high altitude B17 bomber crews where the phenomenon first became commonly noticed when oxygen supply lines often failed/froze up.
Carryfast:
Strangely I’d always been under the impression that the sadistic psychos who seem to be in control of the whole question of executions and animal slaughter had typically deliberately chosen DC current for executions rather than an AC type of shock.
The whole thing dates back over a hundred years and basically boils down to a commercial war between Edison and Westinghouse.
snopes.com/fact-check/seat-of-power/
Harry Monk:
Carryfast:
Strangely I’d always been under the impression that the sadistic psychos who seem to be in control of the whole question of executions and animal slaughter had typically deliberately chosen DC current for executions rather than an AC type of shock.
The whole thing dates back over a hundred years and basically boils down to a commercial war between Edison and Westinghouse.
snopes.com/fact-check/seat-of-power/
It’s all a bit strange in that I was believably told by the older generations that the vicious psychopaths in charge of the US execution regime had deliberately chosen DC for the electric chair to make the unfortunate victims suffer.
While as everyone knows serious AC current kills by delivering an electric shock to the point where it generally throws the victim away from it including instantaneous uncontrolled convulsions and spasms of the muscles including the heart which wrecks it.While DC doesn’t deliver a shock at all it just sticks the victim to it and cooks them.
While all the references to the fate of those sentenced to the electric chair suggest that they were actually cooked to death over a relatively long period not shocked to death virtually instantaneously.While assuming that the executioners wanted to use AC then why go to Edison who was obviously all about DC equipment and why would Edison then suddenly want to get involved with his hated rival’s products by supplying his rival’s AC equipment for something he supposedly didn’t believe in anyway.
IE a crap cover story which doesn’t add up because its better than admitting that the sadistic execution regime was almost as bad as those they were executing.Just as in the case of the other options including so called ‘humane’ lethal injection.When the two examples shown, of decompression to just 25,000 feet tell us all we need to know.As opposed to cooking someone in the electric chair or tying them down and injecting them with chemicals.Or killing farm animals in way which can only terrify them and hurt them to whatever degree ranging from being driven into a tight pen and hit in the head with a bolt gun and/or strung up and bled out possibly while still conscious or even laughably supposedly more ‘humanely’ killed by suffocation by CO2 saturation with the type of animals in question being intelligent enough to realise their fate before that point.
Whether it’s the execution of humans or the slaughter of animals the respective regimes can only be out to inflict unnecessary suffering in one form or another going by the known effects of hypoxia created by simulated altitude decompression. 
usnews.com/opinion/op-ed/art … d-inhumane
flat to the mat:
Franglais:
Could be wrong, but isn’t Carbon Dioxide used, rather than Monoxide?
It is a process to starve them of oxygen. They are effectively being suffocated, not poisoned.
Would meat from an animal poisoned, be fit for consumption?
Open to correction on all of that.
Edit. It`s not suffocation, but asphyxiation.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inert_gas … _slaughter
Edit. Typo
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It’s Nitrogen
From the link in my previous edit:
“Controlled atmosphere killing (CAK) or controlled atmosphere stunning (CAS) is a method for slaughtering animals such as chickens or cane toads by placing the animals in a container in which the atmosphere lacks oxygen and consists of an asphyxiant gas (one or more of argon, nitrogen or carbon dioxide), causing the animals to lose consciousness. Argon and nitrogen are important components of a gassing process which seem to cause no pain, and for this reason many consider some types of controlled atmosphere killing more humane than other methods of killing.[12][13] However, “stunning” is often done using carbon dioxide.[14] If carbon dioxide is used, controlled atmosphere killing is not the same as inert gas asphyxia, because carbon dioxide at high concentrations (above 5%) is not biologically inert, but rather is toxic and also produces initial distress in a number of animal species.[15] The addition of toxic carbon dioxide to hypoxic atmospheres used in slaughter without animal distress is a complex and highly species-specific matter, which also depends on concentration of carbon dioxide”
Franglais:
flat to the mat:
Franglais:
Could be wrong, but isn’t Carbon Dioxide used, rather than Monoxide?
It is a process to starve them of oxygen. They are effectively being suffocated, not poisoned.
Would meat from an animal poisoned, be fit for consumption?
Open to correction on all of that.
Edit. It`s not suffocation, but asphyxiation.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inert_gas … _slaughter
Edit. Typo
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It’s Nitrogen
From the link in my previous edit:
“Controlled atmosphere killing (CAK) or controlled atmosphere stunning (CAS) is a method for slaughtering animals such as chickens or cane toads by placing the animals in a container in which the atmosphere lacks oxygen and consists of an asphyxiant gas (one or more of argon, nitrogen or carbon dioxide), causing the animals to lose consciousness. Argon and nitrogen are important components of a gassing process which seem to cause no pain, and for this reason many consider some types of controlled atmosphere killing more humane than other methods of killing.[12][13] However, “stunning” is often done using carbon dioxide.[14] If carbon dioxide is used, controlled atmosphere killing is not the same as inert gas asphyxia, because carbon dioxide at high concentrations (above 5%) is not biologically inert, but rather is toxic and also produces initial distress in a number of animal species.[15] The addition of toxic carbon dioxide to hypoxic atmospheres used in slaughter without animal distress is a complex and highly species-specific matter, which also depends on concentration of carbon dioxide”
I’d guess that nitrogen replacement of oxygen possibly creates a similar effect as altitude/decompression does.But using CO2 can only increase CO2 saturation in the blood which is the biological trigger for the breathing response from the diaphram so effectively just acts like forcing the animal to hold its breath more against its natural reaction to breath in more deeply.IE just a form of strangulation with obvious stress caused by the animal in the diaphram trying to breath ever more deeply in response to the increasing CO2 saturation in the blood but never finding the oxygen needed to relieve it so similar to the plastic bag tied over the head scenario to the point of exhalation CO2 gases causing suffocation.How anyone can regard that as humane is a joke.
Pity theres no on site option at poultry farms for this seemingly less barborous method of despatch.Costs inevitably I guess,but the trauma of road travel would be eliminated and the taste improvement I would say should be greatly enhanced.
Not strictly about slaughterhouses, but last week I delivered chemicals to a tannery just outside the Bridge of Weir. The section of the plant I was tipping at was just opposite the shed where they store and process the raw hides. The whole place reeked of death and I couldn’t wait to get of there before the pong impregnated the inside of my cab. The sight of empty Dolavs splattered with what looks like the remains of cow guts was extremely sickening. I couldn’t deliver there every day!
NOTE TO MODS: Where’s that “vomit” smiley?
I have done the replacement of linen and clothes for the workers in abattoirs, its not pleasant work and wont be doing it again. I felt quite unwell after it, if working in that environment be very careful about getting animal matter on your hands and clothes.
mm1988:
I worked in 2 abattoirs when I left school, 4 yrs in total (3yrs at the first then a year at the second one). I started off working in the lairage and then went working on the line. I’ve worked with cows, sheep and pigs. It’s takes a while to get used to it but I grew up on a farm so I was well aware of what they were like before I went working there.
People say pigs are more aware but I don’t think they are. They follow the rest just like cows and sheep. Pigs can be more awkward at times but that’s just the way they are on farms too. Working with cattle in the lairage can be very dangerous. I’ve been kicked many times, had them charge at me and was pinned up against a wall by a bull whichh really isn’t good but it was just part of the job and you got on with it. Never had any trouble from protesters in the 4yrs I did the job.
I think I’ll give this job a miss, the thought of being pinned up a wall by a bull, that’s terrifying. I got pushed out of a field by a horse once, that was scary, it’s a pity because Id love to work in the agricultural industry, my uncle has a farm, he told me it can be difficult with cattle, there was one instance where they bolted out of the trailer, pushing the ramp down as it was being raised, and injuring the driver.
Sploom:
mm1988:
I worked in 2 abattoirs when I left school, 4 yrs in total (3yrs at the first then a year at the second one). I started off working in the lairage and then went working on the line. I’ve worked with cows, sheep and pigs. It’s takes a while to get used to it but I grew up on a farm so I was well aware of what they were like before I went working there.
People say pigs are more aware but I don’t think they are. They follow the rest just like cows and sheep. Pigs can be more awkward at times but that’s just the way they are on farms too. Working with cattle in the lairage can be very dangerous. I’ve been kicked many times, had them charge at me and was pinned up against a wall by a bull whichh really isn’t good but it was just part of the job and you got on with it. Never had any trouble from protesters in the 4yrs I did the job.
I think I’ll give this job a miss, the thought of being pinned up a wall by a bull, that’s terrifying. I got pushed out of a field by a horse once, that was scary, it’s a pity because Id love to work in the agricultural industry, my uncle has a farm, he told me it can be difficult with cattle, there was one instance where they bolted out of the trailer, pushing the ramp down as it was being raised, and injuring the driver.
And these Fresians and Holsteins have a neat line in sidewards hoof kicking that would more than make your eyes water. 