Tippers, Driving Unsheeted

Sean Connery/‘Johnny Kates’ - The Original (Albert R. Broccoli’s) James Bond.
Patrick McGoohan/‘Red Redman’ - The Original Prisoner (I am not a number !)

Sid James,Stanley Baker,Herbert Lom,Alfie Bass,Gordon Jackson,David Mcallum-

Full of Class Actors. :slight_smile:
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Express Pete:
Maga why are you telling lies?

How am I lying? It’s well known that some tipper drivers are paid in relation to the amount of loads they deliver which makes them drive round like their arse is on fire. Shouldn’t have said all tipper drivers as I’m sure not all are like that, that said, the majority I see ARE flying around! :unamused:

So now it’s not all, its the majority…still telling lies

Santa:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9GRB1rUyYU

DCPC training drive video ?

mb14:
tipper drivers-brain dead at birth

REALLY!!! Big boy :open_mouth: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

mb14:
tipper drivers-brain dead at birth

Yet another brain dead comment from a keyboard warrior!

Have you done the job?
Have you even got a licence?

I have done the job and as muckaway says not every load needs to be sheeted,a lot of places insist on being sheeted in and out of the gate aswell as wheel/body wash to keep dust down if needed.
As for “every” tipper driver driving like his arse is on fire well there’s always a select few that are flat to the mat all the time but you get that with every company.

Hopefully you will have realised by now your comment wasn’t very constructive.

martinviking:
I’m always noticing tipper drivers carrying earth/Gravel/■■■■■■■■ etc UNSHEETED ! :imp: Do they not realise how many screens they’ve broken by stones & other debris flying off the back ? What ■■■■■■ me off most, is that they’ve got Easy Sheets that work from inside the cab !!! (How long does it take to press the button ■■)
It’s LAW to sheet every Load !!!
You have been warned :wink:

it is not law to sheet every load if the stone is over a certain size it doesn’t need sheeting you will also find the stones fly up from tyres which is more of a problem after coming of site take a tip don’t travel to close to any tipper (if you can keep up with them lol) and you wont get window screen chips

hanson:

martinviking:
I’m always noticing tipper drivers carrying earth/Gravel/■■■■■■■■ etc UNSHEETED ! :imp: Do they not realise how many screens they’ve broken by stones & other debris flying off the back ? What ■■■■■■ me off most, is that they’ve got Easy Sheets that work from inside the cab !!! (How long does it take to press the button ■■)
It’s LAW to sheet every Load !!!
You have been warned :wink:

it is not law to sheet every load if the stone is over a certain size it doesn’t need sheeting you will also find the stones fly up from tyres which is more of a problem after coming of site take a tip don’t travel to close to any tipper (if you can keep up with them lol) and you wont get window screen chips

It’s Viking Law ! :smiling_imp:

I think you have highlighted yet another problem with this sector of our industry Quarrys/Landfills/Building sites etc. A few sites have wheel spinners & Monsoon washes but some don’t, it’s still the drivers responsibility to check the tyres & between the double wheels for debris. It’s all very well saying don’t follow to closely but when Mario Andretti comes flying past me on a ‘50’ mph dual carriageway there’s a few seconds when I’m gonna be very close & if thats the moment when the Brick between the wheels decides to let go I ain’t gonna be able to do much about it ! (he’s probably listening to ACDC turned upto 11 & doesn’t even know whats happening behind him !)

If this discussion prompt’s just one Tipper driver to take a bit more care before leaving a quarry/landfill or building site then I will be one happy Viking. :smiley:

In my experience, the worst stuff for sticking in tyre treads is flint. Pulling 10mm out of Grundons’ at Thatcham, you get rat a tat tat on your mudguards out of the pit and up near Colthrop Crossing Signal Box. Can’t remember the make, but Smiths fitted different front tyres on my wagon and the problem all but disappeared.
Sheet selection is important too. No good with up and back type that Smiths, Earthline etc use if you haul lime, silica sand etc as it will blow off as the wind lifts the sheet (which is just fine netting as the motor wont lift a plastic one). The type that Hanson, Tarmac etc spec is the best unless you’re on demolition and muckaway as they’ll get damaged by falling debris.

The other issue here is that quite a lot of muck away bodies are now made only big enough to get 20tonnes of muck on loaded level with hymac,so when they go to a quarry to load 20 tonnes of stone with loading shovel it spills over each side as drivers are not allowed on the back to shovel in to corners.

Oops pressed twice

I dont sheet my tipper unless i really have too
None of my trailers have easy sheets etc i only do large stone/scrap
The only time it is sheeted is when i do kerbside recycling but the only thing that will hit your screen is potato peelings :smiley:

Dan Punchard:
The other issue here is that quite a lot of muck away bodies are now made only big enough to get 20tonnes of muck on loaded level with hymac,so when they go to a quarry to load 20 tonnes of stone with loading shovel it spills over each side as drivers are not allowed on the back to shovel in to corners.

Bang on, Dan. An 8w muckshifter will be very low (about 14m3), whereas an aggregate body could be about 18m3 (using Smiths as a guide). The idea of low or shallow bodies is that machine drivers will fill them right up level, and the lorry wont be over its mgw. Ag’ trucks are paid on the tonnage and so need to get the material on. Problems occur more nowadays I think because so many muckshifters screen (or even wash) inert waste to make recycled gravel which is light and quite hard to load onto a muck body without a heaped load.

Now we’re getting down to the Nitty Gritty, Not being allowed to get on top to level the load & sheet it properly.

One minute we are told to sheet/secure the load properly-the next we are told that we can’t climb up on to the wagon to sort the load or straps. What do these Do Gooding, Straight out of University, Never Actually done the Job, know all Health & Safety Monkeys think we are- ‘Magic Levitating Drivers’.

Two extreme’s I’ve come across lately (driving tautliners but the same applys to tippers) are-
1, Lafarge at Cauldron Works (or probably any Lafarge Site) You are not allowed to climb onto the Trailer under any circumstances, if you do you will be banned from site !!

2, Palletline, Starley Way, Birmingham.
Whilst they are loading, you are not allowed near the trailer, fair enough, but then they proceed to load it upto the roof, when they’ve finished they expect you to fumble with the internal straps (which are not intended to hold the load down ■■?) across all 13 pallets along each side. I tell the Forkies that “If you want to play the won’t allow me to strap it as they load it game”. They can play the “Don’t load it too High Game” ending up only using about half the available space. (can’t be good for profits)

Personally I think a lot of these companies treat us like little children (perhaps that’s why we only get pocket money instead of proper pay,Where does this ‘Average £550 take home come from’ ?), but place all the responsibility on the driver. All I ask for is to work together, once you drive off their site they are not interested if anything happens to the load or you & the trouble is ‘You are on your own 50 miles up the road’ They’ve ■■■■■■ off home & you’re struggling to straighten up a shifted load. :imp:

I’ve actually been threatened with a disciplinary for getting into the tipper when empty, to clean out load residue. Great isn’t it? disciplinary for breaking h&s rules, or one for contaminating the next load?

martinviking:
Now we’re getting down to the Nitty Gritty, Not being allowed to get on top to level the load & sheet it properly.

One minute we are told to sheet/secure the load properly-the next we are told that we can’t climb up on to the wagon to sort the load or straps. What do these Do Gooding, Straight out of University, Never Actually done the Job, know all Health & Safety Monkeys think we are- ‘Magic Levitating Drivers’.

Two extreme’s I’ve come across lately (driving tautliners but the same applys to tippers) are-
1, Lafarge at Cauldron Works (or probably any Lafarge Site) You are not allowed to climb onto the Trailer under any circumstances, if you do you will be banned from site !!

2, Palletline, Starley Way, Birmingham.
Whilst they are loading, you are not allowed near the trailer, fair enough, but then they proceed to load it upto the roof, when they’ve finished they expect you to fumble with the internal straps (which are not intended to hold the load down ■■?) across all 13 pallets along each side. I tell the Forkies that “If you want to play the won’t allow me to strap it as they load it game”. They can play the “Don’t load it too High Game” ending up only using about half the available space. (can’t be good for profits)

Personally I think a lot of these companies treat us like little children (perhaps that’s why we only get pocket money instead of proper pay,Where does this ‘Average £550 take home come from’ ?), but place all the responsibility on the driver. All I ask for is to work together, once you drive off their site they are not interested if anything happens to the load or you & the trouble is ‘You are on your own 50 miles up the road’ They’ve ■■■■■■ off home & you’re struggling to straighten up a shifted load. :imp:

Reminds me of the time when I tipped 28 tonne of sand into a Lafarge asphalt plant. Had about 1 tonne hang on the headboard that just wouldnt free. So I spoke to the weighbridge to inform them that I need to get into the buck to free the load with a shovel then Ill retip.
Was told “No you cannot climb into the buck on site, however you can drive down the road into a laybye and sort it out then come back”
“WTF” i said "so you can climb into the buck off site and hurt yourself and therse no help, yet if I did it on site at least there would be help for me!! "
A shrug of the shoulders from them and told its Lafarge policy not to climb into back and thats that.
They ended up with a tonne less sand that day as I took the trailer back to yard and tipped it into a corner for our use!
Health and Saftey gone mad.
BTW I have an autosheeter on my trailer and it is used all the time.

Muckaway:
I’ve actually been threatened with a disciplinary for getting into the tipper when empty, to clean out load residue. Great isn’t it? disciplinary for breaking h&s rules, or one for contaminating the next load?

Catch 22, you can’t win.
I bet the bloke who was going to discipline you has never even sat in the cab of a lorry or even loaded one, just watched endless health & safety Videos whilst he was at University that was paid for by his Solicitor Parents.
Silver Spooned ■■■■■■■ ! :laughing:

Santa:
Things haven’t changed much then:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9GRB1rUyYU

What a brilliant clip. I remember seeing the film on the telly years ago. Stanley Baker was such a brilliant actor - such understated acting, reminds me of Michael Kitchen, whose acting style is so similar.

Using auto sheeting on-site whether unsheeting or sheeting needs extreme caution. Overhead cables have to checked for, and some site foremen have a stroke if you break a few twigs off a tree that’s “protected.”

Muckaway:
It’s not law to sheet if the load is over 200mm or if it’s wet processed ie sand and gravel, unless it’s bone dry of course. The springs which let the sheet out over the load on muck tippers are a pain for breaking, especially in cold wet weather (stuff being dropped or spilt on them by machine drivers doesn’t help).
Saying that, I’ve worked with many tipper drivers who see it as just another thing to ignore, along with speed limits, weight limits and general quarry/site rules.
I drive curtainsiders now so I’m in a position to comment/complain about them.
:laughing:
Note: Hell Drivers is the DCPC module for Earthline.

Who decided the above criteria ? and do they work on a % basis so if most of the load was over 200mm then no sheet ?- and I take it that all sand loads and gravel must be sheeted then?