Why has the thread been locked about asking why vince has been banned?
I dont see any rule breaking, or any reason whatsover why that thread was locked, this is the "feedback" area of the forum, so let people give there feedback.
Question was asked, question was answered, nothing left to discuss really. It is now a matter between Vince and the TN Directors.
Coffeeholic:
Question was asked, question was answered, nothing left to discuss really.
But Neil, you could say that about many of the posts on here. When a question is asked it then goes on to be discussed, not locked as soon as ‘some one’ has deemed it to be answered.
A synical person might think it was locked before any of the discission/questions became a bit awkward. 
Exactly my feelings aswell, this is about discussion, but then someone has taken it upon themselves to lock the thread for no reason whatsover.
As far as I can see Forum rules have been broken! What is there to discuss?
The rules are not negotiable, we as members all agree to them, when we join.
I am sure Vince as an Ex Mod of these very forums is well aware of the procedure to re-enact his posting rights.
Vince is a well respected member and one we all would like to see posting again soon.
No one is questioning the rules, but as far as i can see, no rules were broken in the topic that was locked?
Neil has already responded to this thread, and whilst I normally try and avoid getting involved when other Mods or Site Admin have had an input, as such actions may by misinterpreted as ‘ganging up’ or ‘sticking together’, but, as I’m here and Neil isn’t. I’ll try and make it a little clearer.
The thread was locked because the question had been asked, and answered. End of story. The matter was not for debate.
Whilst I cannot go into detail over what Vince did to have his Posting Rights suspended, and indeed, I knew nothing of it at the time, what I can say is that if, when Vince was a Moderator, another member had acted in such a manner towards Vince, then he would have had our full support and that members Posting Rights would have been suspended.
I’m sure I’m correct in saying that we would ALL like to see Vince back. He has been a long time member and valuable contributor. However the solution lies with him.
In the meantime, because of subsequent actions, we have had to take steps to ensure that ALL new accounts are vetted before being authorised. So, whereas almost everyone in the past has been able to ‘Register & Post’, new members are required to wait until we authorise the Account. More work for us and the potential to ‘lose’ the interest of fresh contributors.
TNUK is not a Democracy. It is a Business, and will only continue to prosper so long as its members do not besmirch its reputation. In business, distateful decisions are necessary.
Putting the “Vince” factor aside for a moment, A thread has been locked that was still under discussion, A valid and respectful post has also been deleted (as per my query on this forum), As I have heard elsewhere - Partial censorship is far worse then no censorship at all!!!
marcustandy:
But Neil, you could say that about many of the posts on here. When a question is asked it then goes on to be discussed, not locked as soon as ‘some one’ has deemed it to be answered.
Very true Marcus but that question isn’t for discussion, it is clear cut. The question was asked why was he suspended and the answer was given that Vince broke Rule 15 for which the result is a suspension of posting rights and that is now a matter between him and the TN Directors. No amount of discussion between members will change that fact so it was pointless for the thread to continue. There is only one solution and that is in Vince’s hands, one that I hope he makes. Vince isn’t being singled out here as the same thing has happened in the past when Rule 15 is broken and we have to be consistent. Vince more than most should be well aware of the rules given he used to mod these boards.
marcustandy:
A synical person might think it was locked before any of the discission/questions became a bit awkward
A cynical person may well come to that conclusion but the questions would not become awkward as the facts are clear; it could only become awkward if there was confusion which there is not. However one of the likely reasons it was locked, and based on past experience, would be to stop it degenerating into a slagging match.
Neil, i feel like a bit of effluance from the deepest parts of the sewage
farm okay we have to have rules but i belive that Vince should not have had such a sentence put upon him ,as you have all ready stated you can not do any thing until some one returns but to be honest tell them to get on the site and do something, please send them a e-mail and ask that
they execute a answer soonest, one more question can the person recieve
or send PM whilst suspended or is he in limbo.
brit pete:
okay we have to have rules but i belive that Vince should not have had such a sentence put upon him
And you are free to believe that but others have had exactly the same treatment Vince has had for breaking the same rule, why should Vince be treated any differently to them? If we are not consistent then we are unfair, there can’t be one rule for one and one rule for others.
brit pete:
you can not do any thing until some one returns but to be honest tell them to get on the site and do something, please send them a e-mail and ask that they execute a answer soonest,
There is no need to send an email, they have been on the site on a daily basis and are fully aware of the situation, there is only one person who can resolve the situation.
Yes Neil you are right but i am a part of what started it and then one becomes to use polite words disenchanted with ones self, as if i had not posted my replyto vince then we would have no problem, and sorry if it seems that i am being a hypocrite but when one is a part of the mistake
then you act differently ;THIS MEANS that your feelings override your brain
which does tell you that your wrong. ( i mean me);;
Sorry Neil i don,t mean to be a such a born again imbicle but iam human
and my feelings and saying one thing and my brain saying this,
just to clarify the reason Vince got suspended
he posted something in german which was then translated by a moderator this was felt by us as a team to be racist this post was then edited by the moderator Vince then saw fit to go back and edit the post removing what the moderator put this is what he got suspended for as is stated in rule 15
others have done the same and as Neil quite rightly say’s we have to treat everyone the same.
pam
brit pete:
Yes Neil you are right but i am a part of what started it
No Pete you are not. As has been pointed out several times, but people are choosing to ignore it for some reason, Vince was not suspended for the content of any post. Yes the content of post was edited because it was felt it broke the rules on racist postings and that would have been that, a lot of posts are edited for one reason or another and that is where it usually ends and is not grounds for suspension.
If a poster returns to their post and edits out the edit (if you see what I mean) that contravenes Rule 15 and is a case for suspension, you had no part in the re-editing of the post so in no way are you responsible.
As in all cases of suspension it will be lifted when a written undertaking to abide by the rules is received by Rikki or Lucy, so from that you can see that only one person can resolve this. In the past some people who have been suspended have done this and had the suspension lifted while others have decided that maybe the site wasn’t for them and have not given an undertaking and remain suspended.
OKAY Neil . thanks for putting me right,
mrs mix:
just to clarify the reason Vince got suspendedhe posted something in german which was then translated by a moderator this was felt by us as a team to be racist this post was then edited by the moderator Vince then saw fit to go back and edit the post removing what the moderator put this is what he got suspended for as is stated in rule 15
others have done the same and as Neil quite rightly say’s we have to treat everyone the same.pam
Vince was not suspended for the content of any post. Yes the content of post was edited because it was felt it broke the rules on racist postings and that would have been that, a lot of posts are edited for one reason or another and that is where it usually ends and is not grounds for suspension.
Ive been away and missed out again, but either Vince was suspended for something in his post or he wasnt
Wheel Nut:
mrs mix:
just to clarify the reason Vince got suspendedhe posted something in german which was then translated by a moderator this was felt by us as a team to be racist this post was then edited by the moderator Vince then saw fit to go back and edit the post removing what the moderator put this is what he got suspended for as is stated in rule 15
others have done the same and as Neil quite rightly say’s we have to treat everyone the same.pam
Vince was not suspended for the content of any post. Yes the content of post was edited because it was felt it broke the rules on racist postings and that would have been that, a lot of posts are edited for one reason or another and that is where it usually ends and is not grounds for suspension.
Ive been away and missed out again, but either Vince was suspended for something in his post or he wasnt
I was thinking that too. I think it’s the blind leading the blind in this forum ! 
As Pam said, Vince was suspended for “editing an edit” which had been made by a Moderator. The initial cause for the edit wasn’t particularly major, as has already been explained…but removing a Moderator’s addition to a post is, and always has been, an instantly suspendable offence. Therefore the action was correct.
smcaul. The reason I removed the post Vince made as “Posting Rights Suspended” was because he has no right to make it. If you have a grievance concerning time you wasted replying to that post, then the person you need to take it up with is Vince.
The previous thread on this subject was locked as the query had been answered. The actions of Mods and Admins where major contraventions of the rules are concerned is not up for debate. There is a very strict procedure which is followed in such cases, and that has been implemented to the letter in this instance.
You all know the rules, you all signed up to them. If you don’t like them, then the solution is simple - don’t use the site. There are others out there. No one member is bigger than the site as a whole.
We have now received the required apology and undertaking from Vince, therefore I am now about to re-instate his posting rights, under the usual “one foot wrong and you’re out” proviso that is given to any member who has been suspended. Therefore this subject truly is closed.