delboytwo:
i am sorry but you can’t do 65 hours 30 minutes you would have to stop driving at 58 hours if the you took advantage of the Monday/Tuesday
between weekly rests is the same the max you could do is 58 and that only if the 4 of the tens can be do in i two fix weeks
in you list the last shift would only be 1 hours drive left not 8.5 and thats only if the two tens were in the new week
Where are you getting the 58 hours from ?
I might agree with you if you can explain where you’re getting this 58 hours from
The regulations say you can only drive 56 hours in “a week”, a week is “the period of time between 00.00 on Monday and 24.00 on Sunday”, so that doesn’t explain your answer of 58 hours.
The question you asked was about the driving time between weekly rest periods not the driving time in “a week”.
If you still maintain that you can only drive for 58 hours between weekly rest periods explain why ?
delboytwo:
if you start after a weekly rest on a friday and do as many shift in 6x24 or as you say 144 hours your drive time can only be a max of 58 hours and thats if the day of the first fixed week before you weekly rest were 9 hours drives and the and you do 2 ten hour drives on on the next fixed week before you go on your next weekly rest
If I’ve got it wrong I’ll happily put my hands up to it, the problem is that you say I’ve got it wrong but offer no explanation of why or where.
Explain where it’s wrong in the image I’ve posted.
You can’t just say it’s 58 hours and offer no explanation
delboytwo:
45 hours off
i come to work and my week starts Friday at 1 am my next rest must start no late than 1 am Thursday
Friday 01:00 10 hours drive other work 1 hour rest 9 hours
Friday 21:00 10 hours drive other work 1 hour rest 9 hours
Saturday 17:00 9 hours drive other work 1 hour rest 9 hours
Sunday 12:00 9 hours drive other work 1 hour rest 11 hours
monday 09:00 10 hours drive other work 1 hour rest 11 hours
tuesday 07:00 10 hours drive other work 1 hour rest 11 hours
wedesday 05:00 no driving alowed but can work but as a driver what woud be the point. in working as no driving can be done till he completes a weekly rest
The next weekly rest is not due til thu 0100 so what legal reason is there for not driving another 9 hours between weds 0500 and 1800 ?
delboytwo:
45 hours off
i come to work and my week starts Friday at 1 am my next rest must start no late than 1 am Thursday
Friday 01:00 10 hours drive other work 1 hour rest 9 hours
Friday 21:00 10 hours drive other work 1 hour rest 9 hours
Saturday 17:00 9 hours drive other work 1 hour rest 9 hours
Sunday 12:00 9 hours drive other work 1 hour rest 11 hours
monday 09:00 10 hours drive other work 1 hour rest 11 hours
tuesday 07:00 10 hours drive other work 1 hour rest 11 hours
wedesday 05:00 no driving alowed but can work but as a driver what woud be the point. in working as no driving can be done till he completes a weekly rest
I haven’t gone through all of this but The first two shifts are illegal because you cannot do a 10 hour drive and only have 1 hour rest, you need at-least two 45 minute breaks and that’s 1½ hours.
Also on Saturday and Sunday you’ve allowed 1 hour rest when you’ve only done 9 hours driving
Then you’ve brought the weekly rest forward to suit your example
You devious [zb], you’ve made up an imaginary scenario to fit 58 hours
delboytwo:
45 hours off
i come to work and my week starts Friday at 1 am my next rest must start no late than 1 am Thursday
Friday 01:00 10 hours drive other work 1 hour rest 9 hours
Friday 21:00 10 hours drive other work 1 hour rest 9 hours
Saturday 17:00 9 hours drive other work 1 hour rest 9 hours
Sunday 12:00 9 hours drive other work 1 hour rest 11 hours
monday 09:00 10 hours drive other work 1 hour rest 11 hours
tuesday 07:00 10 hours drive other work 1 hour rest 11 hours
wedesday 05:00 no driving alowed but can work but as a driver what woud be the point. in working as no driving can be done till he completes a weekly rest
The next weekly rest is not due til thu 0100 so what legal reason is there for not driving another 9 hours between weds 0500 and 1800 ?
look Rog my question is base on normal working shift i got my answer from page 19 vosa guide look on the right of the example
plese not you still have to follow the 90 hour rule on driving so read it then you will see ok now how come Q! not been done
delboytwo:
45 hours off
i come to work and my week starts Friday at 1 am my next rest must start no late than 1 am Thursday
Friday 01:00 10 hours drive other work 1 hour rest 9 hours
Friday 21:00 10 hours drive other work 1 hour rest 9 hours
Saturday 17:00 9 hours drive other work 1 hour rest 9 hours
Sunday 12:00 9 hours drive other work 1 hour rest 11 hours
monday 09:00 10 hours drive other work 1 hour rest 11 hours
tuesday 07:00 10 hours drive other work 1 hour rest 11 hours
wedesday 05:00 no driving alowed but can work but as a driver what woud be the point. in working as no driving can be done till he completes a weekly rest
I haven’t gone through all of this but The first two shifts are illegal because you cannot do a 10 hour drive and only have 1 hour rest, you need at-least two 45 minute breaks and that’s 1½ hours.
Also on Saturday and Sunday you’ve allowed 1 hour rest when you’ve only done 9 hours driving
Then you’ve brought the weekly rest forward to suit your example
You devious [zb], you’ve made up an imaginary scenario to fit 58 hours
delboytwo:
Q1 Taking into account that he does a 15 minutes check and 15 minutes debrief and drives for ten hours,when would the breaks be and what mode would he after use at drop 1 officially.
delboytwo was driving a 44 ton truck with a 13.6 meter trailer, he had 26 pallets on. He started work at 6am and finished at 9pm, there was a 30 minute delay in getting the trailer,on knowing this he was ask to move two trailers which took 30 minutes he had two drops on. The first drop was 4 hours and 30 minutes driving time and the other was 2 hours 30 minutes, there was two hours waiting time at drop 1 this was not know in advance of his arrival, there is only a onsite loo, and 1 hour loading at drop 2 this was know in advance.
First break would be a driving break sometime before reaching the first drop and would be 45 minutes unless the driver had a split break, the exact time of the break would depend on the amount of driving done whilst moving the trailers at the start of the shift.
The tachograph mode at drop 1 while he was waiting could be either break or POA if the driver had an idea of how long he would be waiting, you don’t need to know about the waiting time before arrival.
It’s not possible to know when the other breaks would need to be taken without knowing what mode you put the tachograph on while waiting at drop 1.
delboytwo:
Q1 Taking into account that he does a 15 minutes check and 15 minutes debrief and drives for ten hours,when would the breaks be and what mode would he after use at drop 1 officially.
delboytwo was driving a 44 ton truck with a 13.6 meter trailer, he had 26 pallets on. He started work at 6am and finished at 9pm, there was a 30 minute delay in getting the trailer,on knowing this he was ask to move two trailers which took 30 minutes he had two drops on. The first drop was 4 hours and 30 minutes driving time and the other was 2 hours 30 minutes, there was two hours waiting time at drop 1 this was not know in advance of his arrival, there is only a onsite loo, and 1 hour loading at drop 2 this was know in advance.
First break would be a driving break sometime before reaching the first drop and would be 45 minutes unless the driver had a split break, the exact time of the break would depend on the amount of driving done whilst moving the trailers at the start of the shift.
The tachograph mode at drop 1 while he was waiting could be either break or POA if the driver had an idea of how long he would be waiting, you don’t need to know about the waiting time before arrival.
It’s not possible to know when the other breaks would need to be taken without knowing what mode you put the tachograph on while waiting at drop 1.
delboytwo:
Q1 Taking into account that he does a 15 minutes check and 15 minutes debrief and drives for ten hours,when would the breaks be and what mode would he after use at drop 1 officially.
delboytwo was driving a 44 ton truck with a 13.6 meter trailer, he had 26 pallets on. He started work at 6am and finished at 9pm, there was a 30 minute delay in getting the trailer,on knowing this he was ask to move two trailers which took 30 minutes he had two drops on. The first drop was 4 hours and 30 minutes driving time and the other was 2 hours 30 minutes, there was two hours waiting time at drop 1 this was not know in advance of his arrival, there is only a onsite loo, and 1 hour loading at drop 2 this was know in advance.
First break would be a driving break sometime before reaching the first drop and would be 45 minutes unless the driver had a split break, the exact time of the break would depend on the amount of driving done whilst moving the trailers at the start of the shift.
The tachograph mode at drop 1 while he was waiting could be either break or POA if the driver had an idea of how long he would be waiting, you don’t need to know about the waiting time before arrival.
It’s not possible to know when the other breaks would need to be taken without knowing what mode you put the tachograph on while waiting at drop 1.
i thought i put it there
Yes Del but you don’t have to know in advance of arrival, if you drove to a drop and someone tells you when you’re there that you will be waiting for 2 hours you can use POA if you want to.
Personally I’d put the tachograph on break unless I was helping with the unloading but …
Having said that I don’t think there is any mode that you would have to use officially, you could leave it on other work, though I don’t know why you’d want to unless you was unloading the vehicle yourself.
delboytwo:
Q1 Taking into account that he does a 15 minutes check and 15 minutes debrief and drives for ten hours,when would the breaks be and what mode would he after use at drop 1 officially.
delboytwo was driving a 44 ton truck with a 13.6 meter trailer, he had 26 pallets on. He started work at 6am and finished at 9pm, there was a 30 minute delay in getting the trailer,on knowing this he was ask to move two trailers which took 30 minutes he had two drops on. The first drop was 4 hours and 30 minutes driving time and the other was 2 hours 30 minutes, there was two hours waiting time at drop 1 this was not know in advance of his arrival, there is only a onsite loo, and 1 hour loading at drop 2 this was know in advance.
First break would be a driving break sometime before reaching the first drop and would be 45 minutes unless the driver had a split break, the exact time of the break would depend on the amount of driving done whilst moving the trailers at the start of the shift.
The tachograph mode at drop 1 while he was waiting could be either break or POA if the driver had an idea of how long he would be waiting, you don’t need to know about the waiting time before arrival.
It’s not possible to know when the other breaks would need to be taken without knowing what mode you put the tachograph on while waiting at drop 1.
i thought i put it there
Yes Del but you don’t have to know in advance of arrival, if you drove to a drop and someone tells you when you’re there that you will be waiting for 2 hours you can use POA if you want to.
Personally I’d put the tachograph on break unless I was helping with the unloading but …
Having said that I don’t think there is any mode that you would have to use officially, you could leave it on other work, though I don’t know why you’d want to unless you was unloading the vehicle yourself.
OK fair comment i will have to right down the exact wording so as not to confuse the questions
How many hours cans a driver drive under EU regulations between weekly rests
As many as he can squeeze into the 144 hour period while still observing maximum daily driving limits and minimum daily rest requirements. If the 144 hours are in a fixed week then it is 56, due to the weekly limit laid down in the regulations. If it spans two fixed weeks then it is more than 56, and more than 58, because there is no maximum driving time between weekly rest periods stated in the regulations.
How many hours cans a driver drive under EU regulations between weekly rests
As many as he can squeeze into the 144 hour period while still observing maximum daily driving limits and minimum daily rest requirements. If the 144 hours are in a fixed week then it is 56, due to the weekly limit laid down in the regulations. If it spans two fixed weeks then it is more than 56, and more than 58, because there is no maximum driving time between weekly rest periods stated in the regulations.
Yes i know as i did not explain that it was normal possible max shifts per 24 hours
