THE PDU-UK "Q&A"

UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUMS THE UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUM (INTERACTIVE)
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I haven’t read all/most of this thread, but at one point he(barry) questioned whether when joining other clubs/ organisations did people ask to see the accounts, usually not, but that often because these clubs would have a recognised structure, including chairman treasurer and secretary, and would have an AGM marked as part of a calendar of events, a statement of aims, and a constitution.

The First poster to raise queries over the financial structure, was lending weight to his concerns, by referencing past experience running a charity. This seemed to be dismissed by Barry.

I did use Truckersworld, many years ago, but it seemed that if your opinion didn’t suit, it was either shouted down, or ignored. The site became very cliquey. I moved on, or back to TN.

Barries aims to talk for drivers has been done, I like many, though not enough am a member of a Trade Union (urtu) I have a mate who is allways carping on about driver unity, and says we should have an RHA for drivers, I say we have, join a trade union. The 2 main recognised driver unions Unite and URTU both I’m led to believe meet with the government and other industry bodies on the Haulier forum. and both lobby MP’s at parliament. Both have stated aims to improve the working conditions of drivers, and both represent their members at disciplinary meeting and help with legal cost of work based court action. Though My membership is purely selfish, as I want to know I have someone fight My corner in difficult circumstances.

The nature of being a Tramper mainly, but any driver really, is that you have to be quite individual, you are not in an office or on a production line, its a bit like farming, you often have to make decisions without being able to reference some one who you are subordinate to, though this is not as much the case these days. This leads to this job being done by capable people who are able to sort out there own ■■■■, that doesn’t sit well with collective action or representation.

One final thought, I am surprised, that there are still those who want to do away with the DCPC, Personaly, I think it should have a sense of jepordy entailed, ei, an exam with a pass or fail. Then it might be taken more seriously, also, like the company I work for, all the firms should bear the cost, and pay for the drivers attendance.

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switchlogic:
I’m sure Mr Clark is hanging on your every word Barrie. Maybe he’ll ditch Rikki, the man who built Trucknet into the incredibly popular site it is and give you his job :wink: Is that what you’re aiming for?

If Fiver the rabbit got Rikki’s job TN would be dead in the water in a few weeks. Just like TW is. All that Midas touched turned to gold all that Fiver touches seems to turn into dust

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Barrie Tozer:

Dipper_Dave:
Actually taking snapshots of other sites is not illegal at all. Can’t even be considered a breach of copyright IMHO.

How copyright protects your work

Copyright prevents people from:

copying your work
distributing copies of it, whether free of charge or for sale
renting or lending copies of your work
performing, showing or playing your work in public
making an adaptation of your work
putting it on the internet

See fair dealing in the UK and how without an intent for commercial use or monetary gain, taking snapshots of sites for discussion critique etc is not illegal. IMHO
Obviously within the realms of fair discussion which we have here.

See also gambling commission guidelines for lotterys.

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eddie snax:
I haven’t read all/most of this thread, but at one point he(barry) questioned whether when joining other clubs/ organisations did people ask to see the accounts, usually not, but that often because these clubs would have a recognised structure, including chairman treasurer and secretary, and would have an AGM marked as part of a calendar of events, a statement of aims, and a constitution.

The First poster to raise queries over the financial structure, was lending weight to his concerns, by referencing past experience running a charity. This seemed to be dismissed by Barry.

I did use Truckersworld, many years ago, but it seemed that if your opinion didn’t suit, it was either shouted down, or ignored. The site became very cliquey. I moved on, or back to TN.

Barries aims to talk for drivers has been done, I like many, though not enough am a member of a Trade Union (urtu) I have a mate who is allways carping on about driver unity, and says we should have an RHA for drivers, I say we have, join a trade union. The 2 main recognised driver unions Unite and URTU both I’m led to believe meet with the government and other industry bodies on the Haulier forum. and both lobby MP’s at parliament. Both have stated aims to improve the working conditions of drivers, and both represent their members at disciplinary meeting and help with legal cost of work based court action. Though My membership is purely selfish, as I want to know I have someone fight My corner in difficult circumstances.

The nature of being a Tramper mainly, but any driver really, is that you have to be quite individual, you are not in an office or on a production line, its a bit like farming, you often have to make decisions without being able to reference some one who you are subordinate to, though this is not as much the case these days. This leads to this job being done by capable people who are able to sort out there own [zb], that doesn’t sit well with collective action or representation.

One final thought, I am surprised, that there are still those who want to do away with the DCPC, Personaly, I think it should have a sense of jepordy entailed, ei, an exam with a pass or fail. Then it might be taken more seriously, also, like the company I work for, all the firms should bear the cost, and pay for the drivers attendance.

I have stated on here that our unions still have a vital role to play and have never dismissed them other than to say they have failed on many issues.

The PDU is trying to along with other get a review of the DCPC as in it current format it is not beneficial to anyone, Some point you have mentioned and also to get Trainers to give one free place to those who want to come back but are unable to find the funds is another important factor

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switchlogic:
I’m sure Mr Clark is hanging on your every word Barrie. Maybe he’ll ditch Rikki, the man who built Trucknet into the incredibly popular site it is and give you his job :wink: Is that what you’re aiming for?

Lets just say some members on here are doing Rikki no favours by continually posting false accusations. (and provable as false)

Rikki is the Manager and also answerable to Mr Clark
but then most do not have any concerns for him, the rules or the more serious consequencies

As long as they get they little digs in

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Barrie Tozer:

switchlogic:
I’m sure Mr Clark is hanging on your every word Barrie. Maybe he’ll ditch Rikki, the man who built Trucknet into the incredibly popular site it is and give you his job :wink: Is that what you’re aiming for?

Lets just say some members on here are doing Rikki no favours by continually posting false accusations. (and provable as false)

Rikki is the Manager and also answerable to Mr Clark
but then most do not have any concerns for him, the rules or the more serious consequencies

As long as they get they little digs in

You call a false accusation, i see an uncomfortable question you do not want to answer.

You see a Copyright infringement of a defunct Club, i see fair use of a defunct Clubs archive.

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Rikki-UK:

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Been reported to Rikk by PM and have been ignored.

I have now been advised to no longer post on this topic by my solicitor

So I bid you farewell

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Barrie Tozer:

switchlogic:
I’m sure Mr Clark is hanging on your every word Barrie. Maybe he’ll ditch Rikki, the man who built Trucknet into the incredibly popular site it is and give you his job :wink: Is that what you’re aiming for?

Lets just say some members on here are doing Rikki no favours by continually posting false accusations. (and provable as false)

Rikki is the Manager and also answerable to Mr Clark
but then most do not have any concerns for him, the rules or the more serious consequencies

As long as they get they little digs in

You do know that if this thread was causing Rikki any grief at work it would have been shut down and removed in a second. I’ve no doubt Mr Clark knows Rikki can’t beheld responsible for what every member of this forum says.

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False accusations Lies that is all we see in replies from the rabbit… That is a load of tosh. If Fiver was open and straight and had answered questions honestly and openly then there would be no suspicion. The man is repeating himself over and over again.He is becoming very boring.If we saw the evidence that all this is false then there would be no problem but everything is classified information and not for us plebs. What is there to keep secret ? That is my question Only Fiver can allay any suspicion by being open about everything. It is not like it is a matter of life and death a few bits of proof is all we ask but we ain’t getting it only his say so all can be proven well let the dog see the rabbit and put it to bed once and for all.

The hole is getting deeper and deeper and harder to dig yourself out of it now.

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Has TW or ITS MEMBERS EVER BROKEN ANY COPYRIGHT REGULATIONS?

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Barrie Tozer:

Rikki-UK:

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Been reported to Rikk by PM and have been ignored.

I have now been advised to no longer post on this topic by my solicitor

So I bid you farewell

Hahahahahahaahaah! Your solicitor! I neatly spat my tea out! I can see it now, headlines across the land, the high profile Tozer vs Trucknet libel case

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Solicitor involved that is usually the final refuge to use that word. I hope he takes his advice and stops posting but we will wait and see. He should have advised him to stop reading the posts.

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switchlogic:
Hahahahahahaahaah! Your solicitor! I neatly spat my tea out! I can see it now, headlines across the land, the high profile Tozer vs Trucknet libel case

I do hope it was only the cheap stuff dear boy :unamused:

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Barrie Tozer:

Rikki-UK:

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Been reported to Rikk by PM and have been ignored.

I have now been advised to no longer post on this topic by my solicitor

So I bid you farewell

Wondered how long before this came out again!

Your solicitor must love you for all the threats you make that he has to deal with, bet your definetly on his xmas card list.

You have complained repeatedly that you were being abused yet continued to post, and also post inaccurate post, nodoubt the people concerned are quaking in their boots awaiting the legal action.

At the end of it all Barrie, its another failed project that you were looking to blame on some one else for its failure. That was the only reason for this topic in the first place, you fully knew what the reaction would be and, despite warnings, it was just what you wanted. You will never face the fact of the common denominator being yourself in all these failures.

I would also make sure that you are 100% safe in regards to your tax situation, and that’s not because anyone may report you, it’s because you never know who’s looking at these open forums. I know a person who make a statement over his tax on an agricultural forum and had a visit from the tax man as they had seen the post.

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Barrie Tozer:

eddie snax:
I haven’t read all/most of this thread, but at one point he(barry) questioned whether when joining other clubs/ organisations did people ask to see the accounts, usually not, but that often because these clubs would have a recognised structure, including chairman treasurer and secretary, and would have an AGM marked as part of a calendar of events, a statement of aims, and a constitution.

The First poster to raise queries over the financial structure, was lending weight to his concerns, by referencing past experience running a charity. This seemed to be dismissed by Barry.

I did use Truckersworld, many years ago, but it seemed that if your opinion didn’t suit, it was either shouted down, or ignored. The site became very cliquey. I moved on, or back to TN.

Barries aims to talk for drivers has been done, I like many, though not enough am a member of a Trade Union (urtu) I have a mate who is allways carping on about driver unity, and says we should have an RHA for drivers, I say we have, join a trade union. The 2 main recognised driver unions Unite and URTU both I’m led to believe meet with the government and other industry bodies on the Haulier forum. and both lobby MP’s at parliament. Both have stated aims to improve the working conditions of drivers, and both represent their members at disciplinary meeting and help with legal cost of work based court action. Though My membership is purely selfish, as I want to know I have someone fight My corner in difficult circumstances.

The nature of being a Tramper mainly, but any driver really, is that you have to be quite individual, you are not in an office or on a production line, its a bit like farming, you often have to make decisions without being able to reference some one who you are subordinate to, though this is not as much the case these days. This leads to this job being done by capable people who are able to sort out there own [zb], that doesn’t sit well with collective action or representation.

One final thought, I am surprised, that there are still those who want to do away with the DCPC, Personaly, I think it should have a sense of jepordy entailed, ei, an exam with a pass or fail. Then it might be taken more seriously, also, like the company I work for, all the firms should bear the cost, and pay for the drivers attendance.

I have stated on here that our unions still have a vital role to play and have never dismissed them other than to say they have failed on many issues.

The PDU is trying to along with other get a review of the DCPC as in it current format it is not beneficial to anyone, Some point you have mentioned and also to get Trainers to give one free place to those who want to come back but are unable to find the funds is another important factor

Ok fair dues mate, I haven’t read all the thread, its just too bloody long.

Your aims maybe well meant and your passion for them heart felt, but you have left yourself open to scrutiny, the only way you can answer the scrutiny is to be totally up front. Publish accounts, and add to your diary an agm.

as with the more established representative bodies, that being the Unions, you are fighting a tide of apathy within the general population(look how many people cant be arsed to read their own leccy meter) and nature, that being the Individual nature of the average trucker.

Good luck with it all, I’ll give your FB page a look :wink:

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volvo2:
Solicitor involved that is usually the final refuge to use that word. I hope he takes his advice and stops posting but we will wait and see. He should have advised him to stop reading the posts.

That’s so true, the last desperate attempt to get people to shut up that never works

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Barrie Tozer:

Rikki-UK:

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Been reported to Rikk by PM and have been ignored.

I have now been advised to no longer post on this topic by my solicitor

So I bid you farewell

A PM was sent at 9.36 am this morning , read at 10.45 am and a post that does not conform to our guidelines was edited before 11 am.

Just to be clear the post was not reported via the report button which could have made the process quicker, I am on a couple days off work so it could have been tomorrow before I read any outstanding PM’s. We strongly encourage people to use the report button which alerts the whole mod team.

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nick2008:

switchlogic:
Hahahahahahaahaah! Your solicitor! I neatly spat my tea out! I can see it now, headlines across the land, the high profile Tozer vs Trucknet libel case

I do hope it was only the cheap stuff dear boy :unamused:

jesus barrie - at the start of this I was impartial knew almost nothing about you ( still don’t) or the ‘site that shall not be named for fear of legal repercussion’. but by god that last line is like the schoolyard bully getting a kicking and then going to his mummy to complain to the school.

I still say you answered almost none of the questions posted (by non hounds I think), have been very, very secretive in your answers when given and even the ones you have, were to me not answered.

what difference does it make if you have 10 or 100000 members to me the whole secretive/refusal to answer looks bad, at the end of the day a rough figure would have made me think different and at least shown you were willing to answer questions.

yes others may have given you a gun and ammo to shoot yourself with but to me you loaded the gun and pulled the trigger. (this is an analogy by the way I wish no one any harm).

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Barrie Tozer:

Rikki-UK:

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Been reported to Rikk by PM and have been ignored.

I have now been advised to no longer post on this topic by my solicitor

So I bid you farewell

You are bidding farewell yet again FFS i really hope you mean it this time you are boring the pants off everyone now!!