raymundo:
Ramon123:
Barrie Tozer:
This is a long read,sorry, but I wanted to put it all into one summary. ( Closing Statement)The Rules on this forum were laid out by Management and everyone on here should have read them:-
What happens on other sites stays on other sites so posting another sites business on this site is also not allowed.
Yet Management and members continued to post and be allowed to discuss another sites business without consent. Not once but twice.
The content allowed was in fact disgraceful and yet Management and the Admin team allowed it against the rules of this forum.
If I had asked to advertise I would have been refused and yet discussion to allow insult, accusation and abuse to another site was allowed to which I obviously know the reason.
Quite simply because they wish to harm the name before it had chance to prove.That is the reason I requested a right to some of the content in those earlier topcs.
1/ retirement via his pyra…, sorry, PDU scheme
2/ But got to raise that £50k for ID cards and window stickers somehow!
3/ but with a back-of-■■■-packet website like that
4/ isnt he the idiot who used to do those fuel protest things
5/ then your “Drivers Unity” is a rip off and a scam
6/ He’s more interested in getting rid of the DCPC and having no training at all
7/ Wow, racism to throw in as well? I was wondering how long it would take for the organisations true colours to come out.
8/ their policies they done want non-British drivers joining, they want you all out of the country
9/ Of course you want everyone to support it Barrie, because you can retire from working earlier on the proceeds!
10/ All it needs to finish it off is the picture of the malnutritioned African kid looking sad
11/ everyone can see it for the retirement scam
12/ for me this is Barry & co’s retirement pot
13/ it seems like Barrie is looking for pension from thisAlso
1/ As for Barrie electing not to post here himself to push his campaign, well if that doesn’t speak volumes about the man’s credibility and integrity
2/ Barry tozer is behind the project (again) He has a terrible reputation for silencing anyone that does not agree with his half baked ideasBarry will be very grateful to anyone that helps fund his
3/ The fact is he won’t come here to answer questions on neutral ground
4/If Barrie is running the PDU by drivers for drivers then it’s insane that he wouldn’t come here
5/ Barrie is asking people to collectively fund him a 15k a year salary they have every right to ask question yet Barrie makes no effort to answer them
6/ So Barrie won’t join TNUK to come and talk to us.
7/ he want to represent and support us, but not talk to us?
I then came on here to talk and answer those questions. as below. They were never going to be accepted because the questions were not the aim of those in the other topics but to again undermine, insult and abuse.
This is a long Read but if you are truly interested in knowing about the PDU and been asking question or just watching then please read before more questions are put forward.
Well Sat & Sun were an interesting 2 days and I have never typed so much in my life.
Having been bed re-cooped and now been back over the pages to digest what has happened.
Those 2 days were a bit like sitting round a board table with 20 people asking a question all at once instead of one standing up asking a question and ten giving time to answer it with merit. I felt like standing up and shouting “shut up and talk one at a time”
An open forum cannot allow for that, so I “tried” to answer quickly briefly, very briefly and to some what may have seen as elusive. That was not very good in hindsight.
Although some questions were answered briefly they were answered but some did not get the answer they wanted and so went on a rant and rave to try and get the answer they wanted. A bit like asking for a Mortgage being told no and then shouting at the supervisor for the wrong answer.
As said I have gone back and tried to digest the principle questions most are asking and will now attempt to answer a bit clearer. Split into paragraphs so you can look for your answer.
FINANCIES
This seems to be so important to some and I suspect in some circumstances, so they can look at digging up some dirt to show the PDU in a bad light.
I do not remember when I joined union years ago or my local bowls club sitting down and demanding accounts and finances before joining. Do you all when joining other activities “Demand” to see all the books and accounts? Or do you join because it is of interest to you.
However it is your money so you need to be careful however much and at £5.00 or over 3 year’s 3.2p a week it is a lot.
Firstly all monies are going into a separate bank account for the PDU-UK and will be accountable and if possible at an AGM accounts will be available. Who those accounts are handled by is none of your business and you will have to take my word for it.
Some on here trying to dish the dirt are quick to say it is a scam, lining his own pockets, a retirement plan. “I WISH” I will always be out of pocket using my own money.
I stumped up the initial cost to purchase the Membership packages, as the £5.00 comes in it will go into the bank to purchase the next batch and so I will never get my money back.
£5.00 Income from Membership, then nearly £5.00 sent out to the Member as a Welcome Package, a small amount over might help towards the monthly cost of the website, Forum and form and database handling fees
If the cost of the Merchandise goes up next year then I might be out of pocket for each new member as the £5.00 will not increase.
So yes, I am making a fortune in trying to do something to help Drivers in the UK.
THE MEMBERSHIP
Some asked how many members and received the reply I will not say due to good reason.
Not the answer some wanted so off they went on their rant and rave because it was not the answer they wanted.
Whether the PDU has got one member or 10,000 you will join because what it offers to do is what you want and the actual membership in place makes no difference.
Those asking this question possibly hoped I would answer a low number so they again had an opportunity to put ridicule in place, "Ha.ha, no support it cannot be very good then”
This Forum and others like it do not have members that are only Drivers, many in places of Authority join to read and watch what drivers are up to. I can assure of this as in my forum I have a Government Minister and an ex- RHA Director as members plus others.
So firstly always be careful what you post, secondly I do not want those in higher Authority to know the numbers presently in the PDU-UK. Hence my answer “FOR GOOD REASON”
If you consider the PDU could help then you will join whether it is 10 or 10,000
PLANNING
I put the foundations of the PDU-UK in place.
Over the years talking to many drivers, doing surveys and gathering information recognized there is a need for unity and then to try and tackle the many issues Drivers have within the Industry and a higher level of Government.
The primary issues are published, with possible solutions and means to resolve them.
The first target is to try and bring Drivers together in unity to build the house on the foundations.
The second target for the PDU is to introduce these issues to those in a position of Authority to negotiate the improvements required by Drivers and to benefit everyone and open a door for further talks on resolving the matter at hand.
The Third Target is to ensure the PDU collects as much information as possible from drivers to ensure when addressing the issues it is truly to their requirement. It will then be possible to make a proper presentation for further talks to commence.
Once a professional presentation is available and ready. The PDU then needs to form a lobby of 5-7 Drivers to take these talks further with those in Authority. Each meeting might involve a different lobby of Drivers. It is no good taking five drivers that only do days for talks on overnight parking, or drivers who are under 45 for talks on medicals cost. Each meeting will need its own organising.
There can be no time scale; nothing can happen overnight or quickly, no miracles are in place. To tackle issues will take time so when appropriate benefits can truly be achieved.
The Foundations are in place, but the house will need many professionals, a lot of experience, some alterations, and time to build the brickwork and then together put the roof on to the satisfaction of all involved.
One man cannot build a house; it needs a team, a unity working together on the same project.
MEMBERSHIP COST
Many are asking why was it not FREE or why does it need to cost £5.00
Many of you on here are also members of FB Groups, some with a very large number of drivers so why do one of these groups not arrange meetings and talk to Authority to get improvements.
Mainly because to talk to those at a higher level seriously then you need recognition in doing so.The PDU-UK could become that name with recognition and so it also wants the membership to be seen as part of it with recognition by ID Card.
It is simply the way the PDU wants to go, some like it some may not but that is the decision of the PDU
£5.00 to join and receive the recognition as part of it.
On becoming a Member with recognition and ID Card can then also bring about its own reward which is why the PDU also decided on this rather than being Free. Already discounts are in place and more to come over time and so all should get their money back and more. Gloves, Sat navs, boots clothing are all available now and just one purchase and you money is back in your pocket.
If and when if possible, there may be an AGM so we can meet up and discuss what the PDU is doing right or wrong. The ID Card will give admission to these and if free there would be no way of knowing.
The PDU-UK is not a scam, it is something new to try and bring drivers together to build a very big house or in fact one that has been falling down for 20 years and needs strengthening back up.
Authorities keep kicking out bricks and making it more difficult to repair and as Drivers you need to stop them continually kicking it, fight back and re build so we can have a safe place and a strong foundation for future generations.I will as time allows continue to answer questions, This has answered some and if it is not the answer you wanted, then it is not for you.
As from now I will ignore certain members of this forum, false accusation, a friend told me this, ridicule without an ounce of interest, like it or not the PDU will not shut down.
Thank you and I hope some will be respectful so this topic can continue and inform those that are actually interested and I can answer their questions.
So I made clear my feelings
As this thread is basically no longer Q&A and has not been for 20 odd pages, I will just make one post on my feelings on how it went.
after about the1st page it was nothing to do with questions it was all about the pack of hounds coming out for the kill, all wanting to get their teeth in and get a bit of blood to assassinate any good within what was being talked about.
One hound posted about, finances, planning, members and all the hounds followed with their own twist to the same question, not for answers but to get their teeth into any answer given, twist a knife bit deeper to make sure it was dead.
As the answers failed to suit what they wanted to hear, so the hounds turned to a character assignation, in for the kill get the rabbit, shut it down and make the rabbit so small it had no chance,
Out comes the old, just to use in the kill, never mind the truth the kill is what is important.It has happened time and time again because the hounds do not like something so no one else must see any good in it.
An admission of past mistakes means nothing if they can still use the old news to go in for the kill.
Ensuring they only ever post the bad and just miss out any good,
Of course I have done absolutely nothing over the 14 years, or so the hounds want everyone to think. And many of these same 15 hounds have been the orchestrators of failure in old campaigns; in for the kill no matter it might help other if it justifies their ■■■■ for blood.
Waste of time even going in to all the detail of what has been achieved as there were many failures caused by these hounds but even with their ■■■■ for blood some good came out to help drivers.
More could have been done if instead of killing the rabbit they helped it grow.One small voice protesting the DCPC, 200 Drivers writing to the MPs, 3 Government meetings, a protest in London planned; all fell apart and failed because these same hounds went in for the kill. Then of course once everything failed they moaned about how bad it is, but bend over split their cheeks and take it up without a whimper. If instead of going in for the kill and of helped then maybe the CPC would now be in a better format.
None of these hounds know everything although they like to claim it, they deliberately miss out the good in case it makes it hard to get their teeth in and attract more deadly hounds for the kill
They fail to mention 3 years of me being a member of the RHA Security Forum, 3 meetings a year with top figures in the Industry discussing concerns, The Chairman, Tony Nunn director of DHL, Barry Proctor a well-recognized name and other top leading names and I was there to ensure a Drivers view was presented in any talks involving us.Of course the Hounds do not want you to know this in case it harmed their kill.
Admission of failure on many things, but some good was also achieved, but after failure brush down dry off and try again to help drivers.
Whether the PDU-UK could be good for Drivers to some does not matter they just want their two ounce of blood and sod anyone else if they do not like it, assassinate the character, then go in for the kill.
When they have killed the rabbit to the dis-satisfaction of many. The hounds will go back to their dens, fall asleep and await the next kill.None of them will ever do anything, none of them will try, and none of them know failure because they never try. As long as they get their bit of blood they can cheer their gain no matter if it could actually help other drivers get better conditions.
Something new is just like a baby, it needs to grow, learn to talk ,learn to walk, get strong, but most importantly it needs the support of those around to help it take those first steps, teach it to do right not wrong.
Without the support of others, the baby will never go in the right direction and may end up in prison as a failure.
The PDU might fail thanks to a very small minority within the profession, and just a few of them on here who have gone for the kill.
At least it is trying to grow strong so it can help others and will continue in doing so, some of those supporting are now helping steer it in the right direction.
The hounds are trying their best to kill it, but if this rabbit dies there may be no more to replace it.
If that happens then the Drivers in the UK may never get any improvements or change to their ways of working at present.
Some times in life you have to just look at what could be good and then help it to ensure it will be good instead of killing it off without any support or help because yesterday it made a mistake.
All baby’s make mistakes as they grow, sometimes lots of them but with the right people behind it, then it will eventually grow strong and then one day help others. It is called support.
My last post on this topic
Thanks
The hounds should be out in a minute to get their blood from this and ensure any good within is killed of.
Due to previous topics, and this one. Whether it has done the PDU harm or not is now not so as important as the harm it has done to this forum.
This all started by Management and Admin forgetting the rules so as to harm and damage another name. (deliberately or not will never be known)
Insults were allowed.
Abuse was allowed.
Accusations were allowed.The hatred displayed on this Topic and the past 2 is worse than seen at any other time and does no one any favours.
It was never about asking questions, because if you read back only a % asked a question.
Now that just a small few have tried to kill of someone actually trying to help drivers, they now look to copy, mimic and do the same themselves. Well talk is cheap I will wait to see what you actually do and when it gets published you might need help to promote it from others. I will still be around and my members will still be around.
This forum is not the only place that people are commenting!
I will direct certain persons and not just drivers to this closing statement, but they may want to read more as they see fit.
A sad few days for the PDU but looking at what has gone on here not a good few days for the reputation of TN either.
Some good people on here, unfortunately also some not so good
I would complain if this topic is removed so all can continue to see the complexity of hate, but it is Rikki discretion as to close or not.
Thank you
INRATS !
Did you have to copy and paste the whole bloody rant ■■?
I agree…should try reading this on a phone
Is that what you’re aiming for?
