In reality unity of drivers would be a wonderful thing a bit like the French farmers but the farmers have one thing in common , they own or run the farms.
For drivers there’s no back up, it needs the haulage company’s to take a stance by saying No to the government no to the Rdcs that hold drivers hostage waiting to tip after 4 hrs. It’s the company’s that need to say no we have to pay our drivers for sitting in your crappy waiting areas etc.
Yes drivers can make a change on parking by sayin no I’m not parking here no I’m not eating there posting pictures to councils and haulage party’s such as the RHA and their union body’s local press and forums like this.
And all of the above cost not £30 not £25 not even £5 it cost nothing but a few min of your time to take the time and effort to post or send an email.
A picture talks a1000 words, some practices need shamming to get things done.
Motorway parking and the services received - got a complaint then post it on their web site or google as a review. Once people stop using things it will stop being of any value .
nick2008:
In reality unity of drivers would be a wonderful thing a bit like the French farmers but the farmers have one thing in common , they own or run the farms.
For drivers there’s no back up, it needs the haulage company’s to take a stance by saying No to the government no to the Rdcs that hold drivers hostage waiting to tip after 4 hrs. It’s the company’s that need to say no we have to pay our drivers for sitting in your crappy waiting areas etc.
Yes drivers can make a change on parking by sayin no I’m not parking here no I’m not eating there posting pictures to councils and haulage party’s such as the RHA and their union body’s local press and forums like this.
And all of the above cost not £30 not £25 not even £5 it cost nothing but a few min of your time to take the time and effort to post or send an email.
A picture talks a1000 words, some practices need shamming to get things done.
Motorway parking and the services received - got a complaint then post it on their web site or google as a review. Once people stop using things it will stop being of any value .
If all firms are like mine that will never happen.
Many do not give a ■■■■ about driver’s welfare, the facilities in some of our past and present depots for eg. aint fit for your dog, (but the office staff facilities are fine would you believe) so they aint bothered.
The parking thing is only brought up if you get your fuel nicked or curtains slashed in the form of ‘Why did you park there’ (avoided probs like that myself up to now by sensible… or as near as sensible, parking)
So unless some firms give more thought to their drivers, it won’t happen mate.
the only other thing that made me wonder on this post was yet again a luke fan club and again similar to barry I don’t know luke I have seen a few of his videos and pics but what is it that makes another driver think someone would be good at lobbying etc. based on the fact he puts videos and pics up? especially when I bet there are a few ex or current union reps who may have a far better idea of processes (again apologies luke if you have this sort of background), I do however agree a free to join organisation/representation would be a far, far stronger way to go as people will take notice of 10-20-30k drivers saying we want this.
I also think its better to try and address one thing at a time - change is slow to happen and having 30 demands I don’t think would work, put parking as a main one for example then work on improving that, let the small snowball gather some momentum.
I also didn’t think lucy had that much of a go same with mike - c both passed on their own personal thoughts which is what a forum is about, and as for sticking knives in poor carryfast must be in need of regular transfusions coming on here as often as he does.
In context I think this thread shows Tnuk and the admin team in quite a good light.
Barry wanted a Q & A session Rikki advised against it some squealing was done Rikki had to relent slightly and the thread was allowed and let develop, things got out of hand a bit as they do and Rikki’s concerns where shown as bang on.
Sure someone somewhere is well overdue a big ‘I told you so’.
Just my tuppence worth.
That said there where moments that made me cringe a bit and feel sorry for Barrie but all things considered it could have gone worse.
The Sarge:
Barrie Liar will be back with another “Woe is me” soliloquy in another half a page or so. He really can’t stay away, can he?
Spot on Sarge.
It’s turned into a Baz Fest,he’s got what he wanted.
The whole thread should be deleted,that’d get him fewwwwwmin 
Have tto post again to make clear
peter s:
In my view the buck stops with Rikki. He broke the rules to allow this Q&A despite knowing the risks. he failed to control the “hounds” when it was clear that certain people where more interested in beating the man. And the thread should have been locked when it became abusive. TrucknetUK let itself down in my opinion big time. Head down tin hat on.
Peter s and and anyone else
Rikki deserves full respect and is in no way to blame for the goings on in this thread.
I went over Rikki to insist on this thread in answer to some abusive and insulting remarks on a previous thread.
Henrys cat:
war1974:
I also think its better to try and address one thing at a time - change is slow to happen and having 30 demands I don’t think would work, put parking as a main one for example then work on improving that, let the small snowball gather some momentum.
But why parking? Surley it should be an issue that effects all drivers not just trampers?
This is the problem with the industry, its too wide and diverse, go for parking and probably over half of the drivers wouldn’t be bothered as they never stay out. Same with campaigning for better facilities at rdc’s ect etc
This is why there will never be true unity among drivers, what a trapper doing 6 nights away wants is different to the builders merchants guy working 7 to 5.
As for others saying it was a witch hunt, sorry but the guy brought it on himself. He’s been throwing this around for over a year, it’s in its 3rd incarnation and he has plenty of experience in what drivers want (or so he says). To come here unprepared for the obvious questions is undefensible. He should have had the legal side buttoned down ready to shoot people down straight away i.e company number to show its legit, treasurer ect ect. And then have a list of what it would try to achieve.
Instead there was blank refusal to comment on the finacial side, comment that there is no committee and he will be the only leader, and have a wishy washy plan for what it is trying to achieve. No wonder he got turned on. He knew what he was doing, same as every other time he’s tried it on here, and was warned, so sorry no sympathy here
I get the point but you have to start somewhere whether it affects you directly or not - you need a starting point and drivers facilities are sub standard in the UK (this will affect far more than just trampers in my opinion but maybe I am wrong), whether its parking/food/facilities/being made to feel 2nd class its a starting point, you need to gain momentum even with something as diverse as haulage. otherwise it becomes a case of throwing mud at a wall and seeing which sticks.
once you start to make changes, people tend to sit up and take notice. you then increase the net so to speak.
I think Henry has made a good point regarding diversity. There is a wide range of driving within haulage, and though various points regarding facilities, parking, treated like crap etc have been made, WE as drivers are responsible for our own downfall at a grass roots level.
Far too many frightened fools who work for peanuts. Far too many arse lickers trying to get a cushty office job. Far too many clowns who won’t back another driver if the proverbial hits the fan.
All very well someone coming on here and offering to save us all, but as already said- how can you expect credibility when you have a poor track record, and WILL NOT answer basic questions? I don’t know this fella and I DO respect the notion of standing up for drivers, however until an ORGANISED SHOW OF FORCE takes place (similar to the fuel protests a few years ago), NOBODY WILL LISTEN.
BUT JAMMING A FEW CITIES UP ON THE SAME DAY WILL.
the trouble with that was it was started by farmers then hauliers got involved (and by hauliers I mean small to medium firms).
I cant recall an eddie stobrats or a nobby’s truck crawling about on a go slow convoy? maybe I am wrong?
But if they end up getting caught up in it War, they have no choice. It only needs a few drivers to hold their bottle at the front.
war1974:
I get the point but you have to start somewhere whether it affects you directly or not - you need a starting point and drivers facilities are sub standard in the UK (this will affect far more than just trampers in my opinion but maybe I am wrong), whether its parking/food/facilities/being made to feel 2nd class .
You mention the 2nd class citizen thing. If we could get rid of that being the public concensus, everything else like provided facilities, decent parking places etc, would sort it’s self out as a result.
However though, as long as we have truckers driving like knobs through towns and villages, bullying tactics on the road in general, and the arse holes leaving crap lying around as evidence of their overnight parking it will never happen. 
war1974:
the only other thing that made me wonder on this post was yet again a luke fan club and again similar to barry I don’t know luke I have seen a few of his videos and pics but what is it that makes another driver think someone would be good at lobbying etc. based on the fact he puts videos and pics up? especially when I bet there are a few ex or current union reps who may have a far better idea of processes (again apologies luke if you have this sort of background), I do however agree a free to join organisation/representation would be a far, far stronger way to go as people will take notice of 10-20-30k drivers saying we want this.
I also think its better to try and address one thing at a time - change is slow to happen and having 30 demands I don’t think would work, put parking as a main one for example then work on improving that, let the small snowball gather some momentum.
I also didn’t think lucy had that much of a go same with mike - c both passed on their own personal thoughts which is what a forum is about, and as for sticking knives in poor carryfast must be in need of regular transfusions coming on here as often as he does.
I completely understand your point. The main reason people thought of me is the numbers of people I have connected with, a good base to start from. As for union reps I think they’ll be in same place as Barrie, they’ve clearly not had a huge amount of success so far, I think this needs new fresh eyes on it. Besides the way I envision it is as a democracy, wouldn’t have to be me at all the meetings, others could take Them, I’d just be the connection between people. Besides I fupping hate meetings. BTW I’m just thinking out loud here
There you go. Stop driving like knobs, pick your rubbish up and then jam everywhere up until the journalists coming running.
Rob and I have just fixed everything and saved everyone a fiver.
robroy:
war1974:
I get the point but you have to start somewhere whether it affects you directly or not - you need a starting point and drivers facilities are sub standard in the UK (this will affect far more than just trampers in my opinion but maybe I am wrong), whether its parking/food/facilities/being made to feel 2nd class .
You mention the 2nd class citizen thing. If we could get rid of that being the public concensus, everything else like provided facilities, decent parking places etc, would sort it’s self out as a result.
However though, as long as we have truckers driving like knobs through towns and villages, bullying tactics on the road in general, and the arse holes leaving crap lying around as evidence of their overnight parking it will never happen.
I agree Rob personally I wont allow myself to be treat like that but having driven over the water the facilities are unrecognisable compared to the UK. but my point mainly about 2nd class citizen would be aimed more at places we deliver - RDC’s with crappy plastic seats, a ■■■■ poor vending machine. places where toilets are not allowed for drivers, canteen facilities not allowed for drivers delivering etc.
as with anything and I have banged on about this before the dcpc was a way to improve the image of drivers, it was missed because we had so many banging the drum about how pointless it was.
the RHA and FTA done next to nothing about it - drivers ■■■■■■ and moaned but again nothing happened.
as eager says someone needs to make the start.
Henrys cat:
war1974:
I also think its better to try and address one thing at a time - change is slow to happen and having 30 demands I don’t think would work, put parking as a main one for example then work on improving that, let the small snowball gather some momentum.
But why parking? Surley it should be an issue that effects all drivers not just trampers?
This is the problem with the industry, its too wide and diverse, go for parking and probably over half of the drivers wouldn’t be bothered as they never stay out. Same with campaigning for better facilities at rdc’s ect etc
This is why there will never be true unity among drivers, what a trapper doing 6 nights away wants is different to the builders merchants guy working 7 to 5.
As for others saying it was a witch hunt, sorry but the guy brought it on himself. He’s been throwing this around for over a year, it’s in its 3rd incarnation and he has plenty of experience in what drivers want (or so he says). To come here unprepared for the obvious questions is undefensible. He should have had the legal side buttoned down ready to shoot people down straight away i.e company number to show its legit, treasurer ect ect. And then have a list of what it would try to achieve.
Instead there was blank refusal to comment on the finacial side, comment that there is no committee and he will be the only leader, and have a wishy washy plan for what it is trying to achieve. No wonder he got turned on. He knew what he was doing, same as every other time he’s tried it on here, and was warned, so sorry no sympathy here
Posted earlier A committee is a lobby 
The Third Target is to ensure the PDU collects as much information as possible from drivers to ensure when addressing the issues it is truly to their requirement. It will then be possible to make a proper presentation for further talks to commence.
Once a professional presentation is available and ready. The PDU then needs to form a lobby of 5-7 Drivers to take these talks further with those in Authority. Each meeting might involve a different lobby of Drivers. It is no good taking five drivers that only do days for talks on overnight parking, or drivers who are under 45 for talks on medicals cost. Each meeting will need its own organising.
You are missing the point Barrie. NOBODY WILL LISTEN UNTIL YOU MAKE THEM.
That is how the world works. Tree hugging, diplomacy and love does not.
" JAM IT AND THEY WILL COME "
eagerbeaver:
You are missing the point Barrie. NOBODY WILL LISTEN UNTIL YOU MAKE THEM.
That is how the world works. Tree hugging, diplomacy and love does not.
" JAM IT AND THEY WILL COME "
The days of strikes, road blocking, go slows etc are dead an so many legalities against them the only way now is by talking to those who can change things by persuation of what is wrong about it.
Barrie Tozer:
Posted earlier A committee is a lobby
The Third Target is to ensure the PDU collects as much information as possible from drivers to ensure when addressing the issues it is truly to their requirement. It will then be possible to make a proper presentation for further talks to commence.
Once a professional presentation is available and ready. The PDU then needs to form a lobby of 5-7 Drivers to take these talks further with those in Authority. Each meeting might involve a different lobby of Drivers. It is no good taking five drivers that only do days for talks on overnight parking, or drivers who are under 45 for talks on medicals cost. Each meeting will need its own organising.
That’s good then but the committee is was referring to later in the post was for the overall running of the group.
Seeing as your back, is the PDU-UK registered as a not for profit comany/ organisation or is it not registered anywhere at all?
Do you plan to do all the organising or are you looking to get others involved i.e treasurer, secretary ect?