Mike-C:
Gotta laugh !!
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Don’t get excited mike I was banned from there for association and nothing else. Many years ago funny thing is I still get emails from that place
I dont know Barrie or his history but one thing I do know is that his post this morning was pretty accurate. Some of you were acting like school yard bullies, all gleefully joining in and laughing amongst yourselves while doing it. It got way beyond making a point about his past and became nothnig more than a hate campaign and witch hunt. It was relentless and whether you were all accurate in what you were going on about or not, it was out of order. The thread would have died and he would be gone long before it got to 24 pages but it was the same half dozen or so who kept bringing it back. You were practically goading him to keep posting. You were behaving like those chavs you see on CCTV footage. Five of them laying into one guy and baying for blood.
Yes he has a history of this sort of thing. Yes he asked to be allowed on the forum and yes, your questions were accurate and worth asking particullarly about where the money is going to go. But after the second time of asking, it was pretty clear to everyone he wasnt going to answer and that was enough for people to make their own minds up about joining or not.
He has had failures in the past and people had a right to know before joining but some of you were using it like a hammer to beat the guy over the head with. He’s right, some of you had no interest in anything other than going on about the past constantly. He may be a conman (I personally dont think so) but thats for other people to figure out, not by anyone on this forum laying into him about his past non stop. It was mentioned, brought up and that should have been it. There was more than enough for people to make their minds up
You do realise that right now while you’re all slapping yourselves on the back and sniggering about how you showed him up, he will be on other forums drummingg up business for the PDU and saying “I tried to get my points on the TNUK forum but go have a look how they treated me”. And most of them will and instead of seeing “Oh, this guy Barrie is a bit secretive. He didnt answer anything and dodged tricky questions. Hm, I better think about this” they are going to see a mob mentality, all laying into the guy. What you were (allegedly) trying to say will be lost as they see the way you all attacked him and might actually have the opposite effect where people feel sympathy for him and join up.
Whether he deserved it or not based on his past I dont know but I do know it was actually pretty embarressing to watch and does not shine TNUK in a good light.
Im not a barrie fan nor a barrie hater. I had no idea who he was before this thread popped up but I do know that I dont like the way some of you behaved and if members of THIS forum feel that, how will outsiders think about it?
This site has its share of ■■■■■■■■■ who deserve rounded on when they post their crap but that is internal. Barries thread will probably be used elsewhere, be seen by people who did not even know trucknet existed and therefor should have been kept civil without the abuse, insults and attacks. And as for all having a go at him for responding with insults, that’s pretty petty considering what some of you were calling him. That’s like poking a lion with a stick then moaning when it bites your arm off.
I’ll no doubt get stick for this but I couldnt give a ■■■■. Its how I feel and I bet i’m not the only one
I agree with you frosty!
to an extent snowman I agree too - jesus I doubt anyone on here has no skeltons in the closet.
I also as I have said think barrie could have given some answer without exact detail as in my we have over 5k members etc. not an exact figure but it answered the question to a point.
the finances again at present I have £250 in the bank and my own outlay was £500 which he tried to do in a way.
no stick from me Snowman- you see and make your own decisions on what has been posted. However that said Barry was in no way innocent in the baiting, he refused to give straight answers, in fact deliberately evaded anything awkward , he abused those who he felt were attacking him and on the whole failed to maintain a professional stance. For someone who wants to represent us as drivers that to many was unacceptable. the folks on here are not trying to create a organisation and are not held to the same standards as he should be. I don’t believe that Barry ever came on here to answer his critics with a genuine question and answer session but simply with the intention to promote his latest scheme.
I agree too,
Barrie may have his faults but I’m certain he’s no con man.
Wasn’t holding a gun to anybody’s head ref joining PDU!!!
Real interested to see where Luke could take the suggestions though!!![emoji106]
The-Snowman:
It got way beyond making a point about his past and became nothnig more than a hate campaign and witch hunt. It was relentless and whether you were all accurate in what you were going on about or not, it was out of order.
Again it’s weird how everyone else is at fault for asking questions but the person who wanted a Q&A session and didn’t provide an answer is the victim?
Interesting.
The thread would have died and he would be gone long before it got to 24 pages but it was the same half dozen or so who kept bringing it back. You were practically goading him to keep posting. You were behaving like those chavs you see on CCTV footage. Five of them laying into one guy and baying for blood.
Yep same questions were asked and continued to be asked due to this being a Q&A session which he wanted. Any voices speaking out again him could have easily been shut down by “here’s the details” and or “here’s the details and here’s the proof” but that didn’t happen.
"Yes he has a history of this sort of thing. Yes he asked to be allowed on the forum and yes, your questions were accurate and worth asking particullarly about where the money is going to go. But after the second time of asking, it was pretty clear to everyone he wasnt going to answer and that was enough for people to make their own minds up about joining or not. "
Again, he failed to produce answers to some questions, most notably those where money was involved. I still don’t get to see how the people asking those questions in a Q&A session are in the wrong myself.
He has had failures in the past and people had a right to know before joining but some of you were using it like a hammer to beat the guy over the head with. He’s right, some of you had no interest in anything other than going on about the past constantly.
It’s important to understand past schemes. It’s important to understand how and why they went wrong. It’s important to understand that with the previous history that there is major doubt in some people. The fact that others have questioned the legalality of this and it’s previous guises could easily have been settled with “here’s where the accounts are published online” “here is the registration number” etc. instead what was left with is “it’s none of your business”
You do realise that right now while you’re all slapping yourselves on the back and sniggering about how you showed him up, he will be on other forums drummingg up business for the PDU and saying “I tried to get my points on the TNUK forum but go have a look how they treated me”.
Well three is the magic the number as the song goes so no doubt there will be a closure notice on his website again at some point. However I refer back to my earlier point regarding his past and current activities.
I don’t think anyone is “back slapping” in all honesty.
His own posts show that he has been asking for membership to the “unity” for over twelve months. He could have nullified this at the get go and offered honest answers. He didn’t.
Now for some members on here these questions have been asked and wanting to have been asked for a long long time since when back when.
And most of them will and instead of seeing “Oh, this guy Barrie is a bit secretive. He didnt answer anything and dodged tricky questions. Hm, I better think about this” they are going to see a mob mentality, all laying into the guy. What you were (allegedly) trying to say will be lost as they see the way you all attacked him and might actually have the opposite effect where people feel sympathy for him and join up.
Give some people credit. Whilst I do believe after this thread that his fan base (no matter how small) is made up of the guilable, drivers are a intelligent bunch. Others will read and see the avoidance of answers.
Whether he deserved it or not based on his past I dont know but I do know it was actually pretty embarressing to watch and does not shine TNUK in a good light.
Im not a barrie fan nor a barrie hater. I had no idea who he was before this thread popped up but I do know that I dont like the way some of you behaved and if members of THIS forum feel that, how will outsiders think about it?
As said his past could have been dealt with straight away “here’s the evidence and here’s the proof” would have taken one post. Anyone keeping that point alive would have been pointed to that post and that would be the end of it.
Barries thread will probably be used elsewhere, be seen by people who did not even know trucknet existed and therefor should have been kept civil without the abuse, insults and attacks. And as for all having a go at him for responding with insults, that’s pretty petty considering what some of you were calling him. That’s like poking a lion with a stick then moaning when it bites your arm off.
Hold on I thought it was a rabbit? *cue flash backs to Monty Python and the Holy Grail 
Personally I saw one post with an insult. The rest looked fine and dandy. Yes I will admit the red carpet wasn’t rolled out but such is life.
I’ll no doubt get stick for this but I couldnt give a [zb]
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No stick here chap.
Personally it’s interesting how people come on here point the finger at those asking questions without any mention to the person who wanted the Q&A and their lack of answers.
But like I say that’s my opinion and something I find interesting.
(Sorry for the long reply Lee G)
Maybe he did get it hard and heavy but the same man gave it back in spades. He came in to the thread knowing it wasn’t going to be easy given his history. He refused to answer very pertinent questions and to be honest he wasn’t there to answer questions but to promote his group. At time he was extremely aggressive he brought it all on himself with his attitude he showed little respect to the members and then posts a poor me post to elicit sympathy and it has obviously worked. It showed his true coloursMaybe none of us came out of it with honour but he certainly didn’t either
The-Snowman:
I do know it was actually pretty embarressing to watch and does not shine TNUK in a good light.
You’re right, its downright cringeworthy. But just remember this, i stopped it happening twice before. Rikki also advised him not to do it. Barrie Rabbit himself went and complained to be allowed to do it. He has put himself through it, he’s 100% to blame himself. He was gathering no support on his forums and facebook groups , nothing to do with us BTW and took a gamble to come here in case it paid off for him. It hasn’t, such is his stubborn mindedness. None off us like to see someone go through so much critiscism and scrutiny, but he put himself up for it. Made complaint himself to be allowed to do it, told the world he made a complaint. And he got what he wanted . He managed to go over our heads to be able to discuss his new group here, something thats not normally allowed. And you think it doesn’t show TNUK in a good light ? I think you’ll find it shows that WE where 100% correct in our dealing with him. The rule is we do not discuss other people sites and business here, and this shows why. And my personal opinion was and is that he shouldn’t of come here to talk about his new group for the reason that have happened, but he did. I don’t feel sorry for him at all, i feel sorry for the people around him who will be affected by this. But he alone has done it. No one else.
Ask yourself this:
Would you want him representing you in your place of work? As your transport manager? As your boss? What about as your spokesman for your industry? Speaking on your behalf on issues that will affect you?
Many people have said that what he is proposing is a great cause, heck many people would sign up with a Union if they took this and ran with it as their main charter. His ideas are sound in principle, he comes across as untrustworthy. That is his flaw.
To get changes you need numbers, to get numbers you need leadership and vision.
Before you wipe away any tears for him, just think of the ones you have saved from throwing a fiver down the grid.
@rikki - Can I ask why Trucknet has no interest in campaigning? (May have been answered previously) - genuine question as I have no dog in this fight!
As mentioned before, this place is the most obvious thing that links a large amount of drivers.
Look at the impact and to a certain degree influence Mumsnet has.
The structure of what the PDU wishes to be is virtually pre-existing already in this site and its members.
I agree entirely with Snowman. I have been saying more or less the same, or at least similar, right through the thread.
I won’t argue that a lot of the time he did not do himself many favours.
It was like he was on the deck in the middle of a circle of a mob, who were taking turns to boot him.
The whole thing got to be uncomfortable viewing imo, but love him or hate him, he took it and tried to fight back.
I, like Snowman also don’t give a ■■■■ if this is an unpopular view, I’ve never give a ■■■■ what people think of me so not going to start now.
tonka236:
(Sorry for the long reply Lee G)
Thats ok. I can live with that as im not reading watership downs drivvel twice just to see someone isnt happy!
If he had simply answered the questions instead of trying to bamboozle he would have fared a lot better.
No sympathy…he was entirely the architect of his own downfall.
Snowman I disagree with you young man mostly for the reasons so eloquently put by Tonka. I also think that you have to consider the context behind so much of the anger that drove the interaction. Mr Tozers past has been raised on here before and taken down if my memory serves correctly to keep within the rules about what goes on on other sites stays on other sites. so the chance to question vigorously a man with form was always going to be “lively”.
Consider also this site is open to any one untill they break the rules when sanctions can be laid against offenders, wouldn’t Mr Tozers many supporters have rallied to his cause, if they do indeed exist, they were no shows. It was noticeable that most of the people trying to help him out were long standing contributors - good on them for trying to keep a balance.
This is my third post in this thread so hardly part of the “pack” but I tend to go very quite and considered when angry, a lesson learnt from gobbing off with a red mist descending, so I simply let Mr Tozer use his own, very plentyful and hollow, words to show the weaknesses in his arguments and position. I found the approach to me as a member here condescending, superior and at times quite offensive, if I were Rikki - well he is able to speak for himself. I am in no doubt that had he conducted himself in a meeting the way he did in this thread he may well have endured physical attack as well as the verbal challenge he faced here.
Personally I hope Mr Tozer takes a sabbatical from campaigning for a while, before his health is irreparably damaged, and finds a way to reflect on how he wants to aid his “baby”. I can sympathise with the stress he has endured this week end but am struggling to feel sorry for him as I do think he was the architect of his own situation being, as I said in my second post, not good enough to be a drivers representative, never (to my knowledge - but prepared to accept he may have) ever been in a contested election for a representative role for a sizeable (200+) electorate. These are my own opinions and though different to yours sincerely held and you get only a challenge with the reasoning and no berating or flack from me because you hold a different view.
The simple reason I have been ‘one of the hounds’ this weekend is I have a long memory … and as you can see I have been a member on here since 2003 so I have lots of opportunities to see The Rabbit at first hand. I have been to two of his gathering in Skegness so he is not unknown to me.
Can I ask why Trucknet has no interest in campaigning?
A fair question, and the 2 short answers are
- its not what we do, If we moved away from being the drivers space on the internet into a campaigning group TruckNet would become a very different place. My idea all those years ago was simple and straight forward to have one central well known place on the web for UK drivers to use, socialise, inform and assist each other-- TruckNet isn’t perfect but I think we have gone a long way towards those aims.
- TruckNet is owned by a publishing company, it is one of its brands along with other web titles, print titles and events, while it is fairly unique within the group in that it does not have editorial content- the content is provided by you the user, I doubt whether the owners would want any conflict of interest by running a campaigning group that could be seen to influence its judgement with its other titles content ( I hope that makes sense!)
Cheers. A fair and logical answer.
volvo2:
Maybe he did get it hard and heavy but the same man gave it back in spades. He came in to the thread knowing it wasn’t going to be easy given his history. He refused to answer very pertinent questions and to be honest he wasn’t there to answer questions but to promote his group. At time he was extremely aggressive he brought it all on himself with his attitude he showed little respect to the members and then posts a poor me post to elicit sympathy and it has obviously worked. It showed his true coloursMaybe none of us came out of it with honour but he certainly didn’t either
I found you to be very aggressive in this thread. You where removing the knives others inserted before frenziedly inserting them again.Barrie also exposed your lie, remember!
peter s:
volvo2:
Maybe he did get it hard and heavy but the same man gave it back in spades. He came in to the thread knowing it wasn’t going to be easy given his history. He refused to answer very pertinent questions and to be honest he wasn’t there to answer questions but to promote his group. At time he was extremely aggressive he brought it all on himself with his attitude he showed little respect to the members and then posts a poor me post to elicit sympathy and it has obviously worked. It showed his true coloursMaybe none of us came out of it with honour but he certainly didn’t eitherI found you to be very aggressive in this thread. Barrie also exposed your lies, remember them!
Mike C exposed Barry as a liar too, remember that!