raymundo:
Reading between the lines do we now have the two top people of Trucknet maybe saying what a lot of others are while trying to stay neutral ■■
don’t get you? I have taken no stance on this at all
do not read what isn’t there, I am simply explaining why the thread isn’t being locked despite some folks calling for it to be so
Still here, Barrie. Having a look at how a vibrant and popular forum works are you?
Despite what you believe, I do not bear you any ill-will personally.
I do, however have a problem with liars trying to take people’s money…
1st post on this thread:
Where the [zb] is Carryfast!!!
Big Truck:
1st post on this thread:Where the [zb] is Carryfast!!!
Trying to figure out why its all the fault of the Thatecherite socialist agenda
As this interesting thread winds down, a potentially riveting new thread has just opened up on the Euro-drivers forum called ‘Help with student project’ 
As this thread is basically no longer Q&A and has not been for 20 odd pages, I will just make one post on my feelings on how it went.
after about the1st page it was nothing to do with questions it was all about the pack of hounds coming out for the kill, all wanting to get their teeth in and get a bit of blood to assassinate any good within what was being talked about.
One hound posted about, finances, planning, members and all the hounds followed with their own twist to the same question, not for answers but to get their teeth into any answer given, twist a knife bit deeper to make sure it was dead.
As the answers failed to suit what they wanted to hear, so the hounds turned to a character assignation, in for the kill get the rabbit, shut it down and make the rabbit so small it had no chance,
Out comes the old, just to use in the kill, never mind the truth the kill is what is important.
It has happened time and time again because the hounds do not like something so no one else must see any good in it.
An admission of past mistakes means nothing if they can still use the old news to go in for the kill.
Ensuring they only ever post the bad and just miss out any good,
Of course I have done absolutely nothing over the 14 years, or so the hounds want everyone to think. And many of these same 15 hounds have been the orchestrators of failure in old campaigns; in for the kill no matter it might help other if it justifies their ■■■■ for blood.
Waste of time even going in to all the detail of what has been achieved as there were many failures caused by these hounds but even with their ■■■■ for blood some good came out to help drivers.
More could have been done if instead of killing the rabbit they helped it grow.
One small voice protesting the DCPC, 200 Drivers writing to the MPs, 3 Government meetings, a protest in London planned; all fell apart and failed because these same hounds went in for the kill. Then of course once everything failed they moaned about how bad it is, but bend over split their cheeks and take it up without a whimper. If instead of going in for the kill and of helped then maybe the CPC would now be in a better format.
None of these hounds know everything although they like to claim it, they deliberately miss out the good in case it makes it hard to get their teeth in and attract more deadly hounds for the kill
They fail to mention 3 years of me being a member of the RHA Security Forum, 3 meetings a year with top figures in the Industry discussing concerns, The Chairman, Tony Nunn director of DHL, Barry Proctor a well-recognized name and other top leading names and I was there to ensure a Drivers view was presented in any talks involving us.
Of course the Hounds do not want you to know this in case it harmed their kill.
Admission of failure on many things, but some good was also achieved, but after failure brush down dry off and try again to help drivers.
Whether the PDU-UK could be good for Drivers to some does not matter they just want their two ounce of blood and sod anyone else if they do not like it, assassinate the character, then go in for the kill.
When they have killed the rabbit to the dis-satisfaction of many. The hounds will go back to their dens, fall asleep and await the next kill.
None of them will ever do anything, none of them will try, and none of them know failure because they never try. As long as they get their bit of blood they can cheer their gain no matter if it could actually help other drivers get better conditions.
Something new is just like a baby, it needs to grow, learn to talk ,learn to walk, get strong, but most importantly it needs the support of those around to help it take those first steps, teach it to do right not wrong.
Without the support of others, the baby will never go in the right direction and may end up in prison as a failure.
The PDU might fail thanks to a very small minority within the profession, and just a few of them on here who have gone for the kill.
At least it is trying to grow strong so it can help others and will continue in doing so, some of those supporting are now helping steer it in the right direction.
The hounds are trying their best to kill it, but if this rabbit dies there may be no more to replace it.
If that happens then the Drivers in the UK may never get any improvements or change to their ways of working at present.
Some times in life you have to just look at what could be good and then help it to ensure it will be good instead of killing it off without any support or help because yesterday it made a mistake.
All baby’s make mistakes as they grow, sometimes lots of them but with the right people behind it, then it will eventually grow strong and then one day help others. It is called support.
My last post on this topic
Thanks
The hounds should be out in a minute to get their blood from this and ensure any good within is killed of. 
You have had so many “babies” over the years, you must have a fanny like Blackwall Tunnel!!!
How many more ‘last posts’ on here are you going to make?? How many more times are you going to blame everyone bar yourself for the failures of this PDU thing??
By the way, sorry, I disappointed you and took longer than ‘a minute’ to appear … I was eating my breakfast.
Dear Mr Tozer.
May I ask you exactly how long a lifetime membership lasts for. I only bring this to tour attention due to the fact that in a previous post you mention the cost to ourselves over 3 years!
I was wondering if you could clarify this
robert1952:
As this interesting thread winds down, a potentially riveting new thread has just opened up on the Euro-drivers forum called ‘Help with student project’
Since it’s a student project, it’s been removed under Forum Rule #5 for lack of permission.
As called on Saturday at 13:26
tonka236:
However, to keep this at the top of the forum and therefore gain maximum exposure for his scheme then it would be best suited to allow this thread to continue for a while with spasmodic bumps back to the top.
Barrie, you can blame whoever you want as you have done previously.
However, it is you who has failed in your request to have a Q&A session on here. You haven’t provided honest details to some very basic questions.
“How many members are paid up to the PDU?”
“I can’t answer that. For good reason”
You were given a chance to show what good you have made. What successes over the past 14odd years you have achieved. The best you proclaimed was helping a driver to get his money back by writing a letter which then was nullified by saying that the PDU would not get involved in work based issues.
Funnily enough some of us have been there, have been in these types of meeting, took part in a driver/haulier conference and are very proud at what we set up along time ago has gone on to be a respected charity helping drivers and still a point of contact for the media. But also from that some some of us learned what Lucy has put above, it’s mostly for the good PR that these firms/agencies speak to us and pay lip service to what they tell you they will do.
I would expect anyone coming on here with anyone topic like this to have a proper agenda for the group, a proper legal set up so that the nay sayers are on the back foot, especially from someone with you’re experience, and more so you’re history
I’m not denying that you may have had some successes, so why not shout about those? The problem is your history dictates that people question everything expecially as this is the 3rd guise of this project. Deniles about its setup only make it look more like a scam.
I do genuinely wish you well, but you are fighting a loosing battle as drivers will never unite especially if they can get the same gains by not becoming members, after all why pay when the same gains are made by being a non member.
to be totally honest I have never had anything to do or heard of barrie until recently, my own view is every questions that was asked was either sidestepped or refused in typical politician fashion.
Barrie - to me I see no reason why unless its embarrassing and you would risk ridicule why you couldn’t have answered with we have over 10,000 members etc.
personally I know no driver on £7.50 an hour so you have done really well to find lots on this wage. I have to agree with Lucy you need to learn to play the game and if you are as you said a full time tramper then you wont have the time for this level of commitment (email and posts only work so far).
to me the idea could be an ok thing but again you point blank refused to state what changes you have made for the better in your own work place! this is another its my ball and I am off home chance missed to gets people by the short and curlies and go wow that’s great. unless you have made sod all difference then its a nothing to do with you reply!
as i have said before I don’t know you, your past or any of your previous incarnations. but to me until you gain the power of the written word stand up and be fully accountable and open, the whole thing will be doomed to failure no matter how many people you perceive as powerful are on your side ( ex rha etc. ).
until honest questions get honest answers membership will not increase, I work in sales the best form of advertising is word of mouth its that simple, by refusing to answer these questions you just make the whole process of a strong united membership impossible.
best of luck - as like I say I have no malic towards you or the venture.
I knew Barrie Liar wouldn’t be able to resist his “Woe is me” soliloquy. No mention of him being called out on a bare faced lie at all.
As he said, a proven liar is not worth listening to. Hoist on his own petard…
As a side note liargate came up in this thread and the offending party gave his apologies to you Barrie and you graciously accepted it .BUT you have continued to call the guy a proven liar and have thrown it back at him on several occasions and also pasted it all over your faceache group! This to me shows your true character and that’s not even taking into account your treatment of Mike C ,you banned him from your site without him even posting a word on it!Do you see the problem here and why everything you do or project you start gets the attention of certain members? It’s not like people just want to see you fail and go all out to accomplish this, as I see it is for the protection of the members who do not know about you and your endless schemes and the potential for them to be out of pocket be it £5,£20,£25 or whatever the amount involved.As people have STRONGLY hinted the idea is a good one but if you really care about your fellow drivers you would hand the whole thing over to someone else and step away from it .Like someone said in this thread you come over as a cult leader and are only after followers for your cause but God help anyone if they ever has ideas above their station or they get the big elbow and are either ridiculed, banned or blocked.
Meetings Meetings Meetings he sure likes his meetings but he really fell down there by not revealing the outcome of these meetings. Success for drivers I think not else he would be shouting it from the rooftop. That post by him shows just what kind of man he is full of reseentment because nobody supports him. He must ask himself why is this. I can tell he is the wrong man for the job always was and always will be. Few people believe in him and after that sad feeling sorry for myself post using the rabbit and the hounds as an analogy I think he has lost the plot.
The rabbit (him) is weak the hounds (us I guess) are strong and so long as he is a rabbit the hounds will succeed and he will be dead in the water again. Id rather be a hound that a rabbit
He has a serious touch of the “poor mes” Imagine this as a representative for driver he needs to grow some balls. So full of resentment so full of hatred for those who disagree and point out his failures. He has showed by thaat post he is not fir to be a representative for drivers. FFS he couldn’t manage to represent himself in this thread.
A proven liar thats me coming from a man economical with the truth. Now I would like to see the proof he has a current pay slip would do nicely
Barrie, how many of your 600+ facebook members have joined/paid for a PDU membership?
Well hasn’t this been Fun! I barely know who big Barrie T-Bags is but one things for sure, his aims are good but he’s really not the man to further them. He makes more enemies than supporters. To pull off what he wants to do you need someone who is charismatic and charming but hard nosed when needs be. He has one of the three! I’m undecided why he wants to do it. Part of me thinks it’s because he genuinely wants to make things better for drivers buts part of me thinks it’s because he just wants to feel important and hob nob with people at the top.
Also the ‘everyone is out to get me’ act is childish and a bit pathetic!
