TiredAndEmotional:
Muckaway:
kr79:
Only firms that struggle to get drivers are ones paying crap money or offer crap conditionsSomeone near me is advertising for a c2 hiab driver delivering bagged cotswold stone, 50 to 55 hours a week £14/hour. Must be a catch somewhere, I know I wouldn’t go for it unless desperate and I’m on much less.
Agency bull?
No this is direct a couple of my ex colleagues at Matthews Flour have interviews there this week after they were made redundant.
the nodding donkey:
cav551:
Only an attendant will be required to be present.So maybe not much difference then?
Last time I drove a truck, it could go anywhere it liked. Left. Right. Do a jolly u turn if it fancied…
Please bring a brain, and a sensible argument, if you wish to contribute.
Or, to use your line of arguing, why do aeroplanes have a pilot, a co-pilot, and a flight engineer?
When they have an auto pilot??Well? Well clever clogs? Answer that…
I am sorry, maybe that was just too subtle for you. 
cav551:
the nodding donkey:
cav551:
Only an attendant will be required to be present.So maybe not much difference then?
Last time I drove a truck, it could go anywhere it liked. Left. Right. Do a jolly u turn if it fancied…
Please bring a brain, and a sensible argument, if you wish to contribute.
Or, to use your line of arguing, why do aeroplanes have a pilot, a co-pilot, and a flight engineer?
When they have an auto pilot??Well? Well clever clogs? Answer that…
I am sorry, maybe that was just too subtle for you.
SWA 
Franglais:
Is that first image one of your last “Summer Holiday”?
Yeh, but I’m driving the bus - not grinning/ 
cav551:
the nodding donkey:
cav551:
Only an attendant will be required to be present.So maybe not much difference then?
Last time I drove a truck, it could go anywhere it liked. Left. Right. Do a jolly u turn if it fancied…
Please bring a brain, and a sensible argument, if you wish to contribute.
Or, to use your line of arguing, why do aeroplanes have a pilot, a co-pilot, and a flight engineer?
When they have an auto pilot??Well? Well clever clogs? Answer that…
I am sorry, maybe that was just too subtle for you.
Selective quoting. That’s not a reasoned argument. That’s desperation.
No they wont. Viz Southern Rail/ RMT guards dispute. Only an attendant will be required to be present.
So maybe not much difference then?
The highlighted portion of your reply, infers the real threat to jobs that exists in certain careers, such as train driving, and that this is similar to the threat to truck drivers jobs.
It isn’t, because the only similarity between those two jobs is the title ‘driver’.
att:
Jumping ship is the only option, this one is sinking, faster than you would have thought
+1
i jumped it (to a degree) several years ago back here to life in northern ireland which is like scotland in the 80s. if as and when the tsnuami of pondlife ,h&s and general big bro catches up again,then il hop back over the border int the twilight zone of eire and end my days there.uk is just completely swamped with vermin and totally finished as a country… in case you havent noticed,then you are about to experience white genocide over the next cpl of generations till theres no indiginous population left and its just going to be a population of mongrels. ( something similar to the world coca cola likes to portray in their adverts) 
dieseldog999:
att:
Jumping ship is the only option, this one is sinking, faster than you would have thought+1
i jumped it (to a degree) several years ago back here to life in northern ireland which is like scotland in the 80s. if as and when the tsnuami of pondlife ,h&s and general big bro catches up again,then il hop back over the border int the twilight zone of eire and end my days there.uk is just completely swamped with vermin and totally finished as a country… in case you havent noticed,then you are about to experience white genocide over the next cpl of generations till theres no indiginous population left and its just going to be a population of mongrels. ( something similar to the world coca cola likes to portray in their adverts)
There is no indigenous population in the UK.
the nodding donkey:
dieseldog999:
att:
Jumping ship is the only option, this one is sinking, faster than you would have thought+1
i jumped it (to a degree) several years ago back here to life in northern ireland which is like scotland in the 80s. if as and when the tsnuami of pondlife ,h&s and general big bro catches up again,then il hop back over the border int the twilight zone of eire and end my days there.uk is just completely swamped with vermin and totally finished as a country… in case you havent noticed,then you are about to experience white genocide over the next cpl of generations till theres no indiginous population left and its just going to be a population of mongrels. ( something similar to the world coca cola likes to portray in their adverts)There is no indigenous population in the UK.
Depends how far back you want to go doesn`t it? Is everyone born in England, English?
If not how far back do you go? As far as possible? Hhmmm.
Since we are, it seems, all descended from “Lucy”, it must be that we are all African, just that some of us had ancestors who jumped ship a little earlier.
Juddian:
i mean what i say when i promise a real Brexit
What options do we have? Labour has a ■■■■ poor leader who has a history of despising the EU but promotes remain. The vast majority of its MP’s, Councillors, members and Unions want to remain amid the promise of continued open-door immigration, continued payments and continued subservience to the ECJ, amongst other things. The LibDems would just hand the keys over - Cleggy and little Timmy being nothing short of traitors! UKIP is an absolute mess, helped by the infighting nurtured by the Tory plants of Carswell and Hamilton. Paul Nuttall is no Nigel Farage and if he doesn’t win Boston & Skegness UKIP is dead in the water. The fact that Aaron Banks has stopped his substantial donations to the party and UKIP are reputedly £800k in debt and staring bankruptcy in the face is in the background just in case UKIP do actually win a seat.
Which leaves the Conservatives - now I don’t trust May in the slightest, she is a Remainer, as is her close circle, but the guidelines the EU has issued as a starting point to the negotiations essentially mean that any UK politician agreeing to any of these red lines would be nothing short of treason. The fact that the European Commission’s own lawyers have said that the vast majority of these guidelines wouldn’t stand up in court means that the UK government could quite easily keep this in the courts for the next ten years, in which time the shortfall of our payments coupled with the Italian banking crisis would mean the end of the EU as we know it.
Now whether I trust May to do anything like that is another matter . . . but alternatives are short on the ground.
Stanley Knife:
Juddian:
i mean what i say when i promise a real BrexitWhat options do we have?
Search me mate, (and that was an excellent post by the way) i really do not have a bloody clue who to vote for at this election, unless the BNP are ■■■■■■■ five hundred knicker up the wall by standing i’ll have to spoil my ballot with insults against the lot of them, like you i don’t trust any of the sods any more.
May and her fellow adversarial actor luvvies like Junker have overegged the tough talk pudding to the level of farce, they’ll be up for best actor Oscars if they carry on like this.
I fear the mother of all stitch ups is on the cards, and the tories who once again betray their country have the balance f a full 5 year term to bribe the electorate to vote them back in again.
Sorry mate wish i had some answers for you 
maybe stocking up on pitchforks and piano wire before the price goes up would be wise, though they’ll have rusted away before the great British lion finally does what he should have 40 years ago when traitor heath conned and sold us out.
Stanley Knife:
Juddian:
i mean what i say when i promise a real BrexitWhat options do we have? Labour has a ■■■■ poor leader who has a history of despising the EU but promotes remain. The vast majority of its MP’s, Councillors, members and Unions want to remain amid the promise of continued open-door immigration, continued payments and continued subservience to the ECJ, amongst other things. The LibDems would just hand the keys over - Cleggy and little Timmy being nothing short of traitors! UKIP is an absolute mess, helped by the infighting nurtured by the Tory plants of Carswell and Hamilton. Paul Nuttall is no Nigel Farage and if he doesn’t win Boston & Skegness UKIP is dead in the water. The fact that Aaron Banks has stopped his substantial donations to the party and UKIP are reputedly £800k in debt and staring bankruptcy in the face is in the background just in case UKIP do actually win a seat.
Which leaves the Conservatives - now I don’t trust May in the slightest, she is a Remainer, as is her close circle, but the guidelines the EU has issued as a starting point to the negotiations essentially mean that any UK politician agreeing to any of these red lines would be nothing short of treason. The fact that the European Commission’s own lawyers have said that the vast majority of these guidelines wouldn’t stand up in court means that the UK government could quite easily keep this in the courts for the next ten years, in which time the shortfall of our payments coupled with the Italian banking crisis would mean the end of the EU as we know it.
Now whether I trust May to do anything like that is another matter . . . but alternatives are short on the ground.
It’s clear that a vote for May might as well be a vote for Farron and whatever the questions voting for May’s rabble instead of UKIP obviously isn’t the answer. 
cav551:
Franglais:
lumpygreenpoo:
I’m 50, started on vans at 20 and I got my Class 1 at 22. It’s all I ever wanted to do. However, from the articles I’ve been reading recently, the demise of professional HGV Drivers is likely to continue with the introduction of driverless trucks.I never thought it would happen but automated trucks are heavily utilised on mining operations in Australia. Anheuser-Busch (Budweiser), for example, made a successful delivery of beer, driving autonomously on the highway between Fort Collins and Colorado Springs, a distance of 120 miles.
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/25/driverless-beer-run-bud-makes-shipment-with-self-driving-truck.html
Another article mentioned driverless trucks are likely to be introduced before driverless cars, we could see their introduction within 10 years time.
I’ll be 60, 10 years before retirement, and too old to retrain.
But retrain as what I wonder? With more automation in agriculture, mining, refining, manufacturing, transport, will we all end up as hair-dressers and barristas?
That is the million dollar question. And the politicians just haven’t grasped it, being so wrapped up in soundbites and their constant meaningless waffle which all turns out to be lies. To them ANY job will do for a pleb just so long as it massages the statistics to make it look like their party’s ideas are succeeding.
Here they are at the moment, whingeing about the supposed lack of people to drive lorries. On the one hand they are bleating about what 'initiatives ’ they can come up with to encourage people to do the job; on the other hand they are plotting to stab those very people in the back as soon as they possibly can, by replacing them with computer controlled vehicles. But in the meantime it is vote for me.
They are coming up with grandiose schemes for whole new towns around the country with thousands of houses to make it look like they have plans to alleviate any housing shortage. What they have totally missed is that each house is going to need employment for its occupants. Where are the jobs in those areas for the new town dwellers? The few they do create they can categorise within the current suitspeak title of ‘management’ to cater for the graduates in origami, but management of what? supervising 30 or 40 part timers in a call centre which is attempting to sell some dodgy financial product to people who don’t want or need it?
Ah got it. It is the sellers of dodgy financial products who keep the funds coming in to the party’s coffers.
They will point to HS2 as a scheme creating employment. Yes in the short term Pavel, Bogdan and Shamus will be busy, there may even be a few jobs in the stations… oh no they are doing away with station staff as quickly as they can, so we can forget that one. A rolling stock maintenance depot? probably not. Drivers? no, they won’t be needing them either. But the supply chain they argue, yes all the time it is in construction… and then what?
All those in redundant occupations, and they are going to total a significant number, are going to need suitable employment. They are going to have to be found jobs MAKING SOMETHING. But rather than that fact biting them in the arse, that just went over the politicians heads at the speed of light.
They do have one plan up their sleeve however, graduates in crystal ball gazing will be employed en masse to research whether they can come up with an algorithm, to prove that having got on his bike and moved to a different part of the country, a skilled man currently earning £700 for a 40 hr week, will be better off and happy, answering a telephone on a zero hours contract, while being monitored by cctv and audio recordings. All for the potential weekly earnings of around £200. Oh, and the plan is for him not to reach pensionable age until 75.
Not only do we have to pay these people but we are being asked to vote for this. And we will.
Jesus wept.
Awesome post dude
If I hated life in the UK as much as some posters on here appear to do, I think I would move somewhere else.
Olog Hai:
If I hated life in the UK as much as some posters on here appear to do, I think I would move somewhere else.
Why should you let inept, incompetent, self centred, self important d/heads…aka MPs/politicians, drive you out of your own country?
robroy:
Olog Hai:
If I hated life in the UK as much as some posters on here appear to do, I think I would move somewhere else.
Why should you let inept, incompetent, self centred, self important d/heads…aka MPs/politicians, drive you out of your own country?
^ This. 
robroy:
drive you out of your own country?
Especially when you do that for a living! 
When you’re not spoken to with utter contempt and when a condition of the job isn’t being liable for the first £1000 of damage - well that’s when the driver shortage shows through.
And when night out money isn’t built in as the “wage” to cover up appalling renumeration in the hourly rate.
robroy:
Olog Hai:
If I hated life in the UK as much as some posters on here appear to do, I think I would move somewhere else.
Why should you let inept, incompetent, self centred, self important d/heads…aka MPs/politicians, drive you out of your own country?
Because you are not going to change a thing that they want to or will do by moaning about it to anyone daft enough to listen, as one poster on here does in particular. It’s happening - either deal with it, go somewhere else, or do something about it. Funnily enough, the moaners don’t seem keen on any of those three, particularly the latter.
Olog Hai:
If I hated life in the UK as much as some posters on here appear to do, I think I would move somewhere else.
Brits simply love to moan, end of. Politics/weather/work/women/men/queues/ just about anything else you can think of, I seem to have been listening to moans about those subjects all of my life from scores of ‘tap room experts’ who never actually solve any of the issues. Take that (the ability to complain) away from us and British folk would steadily lose the ability to talk in years to come!
Pete.
Olog Hai:
robroy:
Why should you let inept, incompetent, self centred, self important d/heads…aka MPs/politicians, drive you out of your own country?Because you are not going to change a thing that they want to or will do by moaning about it to anyone daft enough to listen, as one poster on here does in particular. It’s happening - either deal with it, go somewhere else, or do something about it. Funnily enough, the moaners don’t seem keen on any of those three, particularly the latter.
Define what you mean by ‘do something about it’. 
The democratic process is all about us telling politicians what we think of them and their policies such as what robroy said.Or asking questions about the so called credibility of the electoral process that puts them into power.Such as did Macron get in on a foreign non French National vote and rigged ballot.Or how does the SNP get 56 seats for 1.5 million votes while UKIP get effectively none for almost 4 million.
