Would anyone know what years they were produced?
Were they superseded by the “7 ton”?
Thanks.
The Thames Trader was produced from 1957 until 1965 when the D Series appeared. The Trader MkII was built from 1962 it had little noticeable external changes from the earlier model apart from the TRADER name being positioned in the lower grille, most changes came in improved weights and payload. Not sure what you mean by the 7 Ton as the Trader covered this weight, there was a normal control version too which was fitted with a German Koln cab known as the K Series when the Thames name was dropped by Ford in 1965. Franky.
Hi Franky. Thanks for your reply.
Mine is a NC (Normal Control) which I believe only were produced from '62-'65.
My Data plate states Thames Trader 70. Down here in Australia, we also had Thames Trader 7 ton.
The differences I can see from the relevant brochures are;
-----------------------------TT 70------------------TT 7 ton
5 speed gearbox---------------optional----------------standard
Rear axle - 2 speed-----------optional----------------standard
Clutch area----------------------------------different
Tyres----------------------8.25x20----------------9.00x20
Overall height------------------91.6in------------------95.8in
Regards, Rod.
These vehicles were a nice motor to drive.They did a low frame version on the lighter ones as they did with the Trader.
Here is a photo of a 7t tipper with a factory supplied body which was an Edbro.The co that owned it was a big Ford tipper user J.H.Allen and Sons of Hilton Derbyshire who thought it was a vey good vehicle.They also bought a 5t petrol one for internal work moving the gravel to the screens
Tony
Finally found my engine number: Engine Number: 658EB582 (is it a 589E?)
Can anyone decipher year etc? Thanks.
HeyCharger:
Finally found my engine number: Engine Number: 658EB582 (is it a 589E?)Can anyone decipher year etc? Thanks.
If there is a manufactures plate on the vehicle it will give you the chassis no.The engine no is usually the last numbers which I think is on the top of the cylinder head.But it’s a long time since I dealt with them so I might be wrong. According to the Glass’s check book 658E is a 5ton model with a six cylinder petrol engine from June 1962 with a wheelbase of 14ft 2 inches with a four speed gearbox and single speed rear axle with an option of a two speed.
Have you checked the plate and your reg document which will give you the chassis number.The plate should give you the gross vehicle weight.Now I don’t know what the situation about reg.docs etc and you have perhaps done all this stuff so I’m sorry if I’m telling you something you already know.However the motor you’ve got according to the guide is a 5 ton Trader.
Tony
Hi Tony.
Thanks for that info.
Here is what I have;
- From the Ford K Series parts List 1965/-… a 7 ton R.H.D Model with 170" wheelbase is a “666E”
- The Firewall is stamped “83112SPMC090”
- Engine Number “658EB582”. According to a lot of websites, this 6cyl petrol engine of 4,888ccs is known as a 589E
- There is a data plate attached to firewall:
“Ford Motor Company of Australia”
Thames Trader 70
Serial Prefix: NBRAC (could possibly be NRRAC)
Serial No: 933
Model: 84552
GVM: 23,600lbs or 10,705kg.
So I’m trying to ascertain;
- Year and place of manufacture of body and engine
- Were they imported to Australia as cab/chassis and then finished?
Any leads would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks. Rod.
HeyCharger:
Hi Tony.
Thanks for that info.
Here is what I have;
- From the Ford K Series parts List 1965/-… a 7 ton R.H.D Model with 170" wheelbase is a “666E”
- The Firewall is stamped “83112SPMC090”
- Engine Number “658EB582”. According to a lot of websites, this 6cyl petrol engine of 4,888ccs is known as a 589E
- There is a data plate attached to firewall:
“Ford Motor Company of Australia”
Thames Trader 70
Serial Prefix: NBRAC (could possibly be NRRAC)
Serial No: 933
Model: 84552
GVM: 23,600lbs or 10,705kg.So I’m trying to ascertain;
- Year and place of manufacture of body and engine
- Were they imported to Australia as cab/chassis and then finished?
Any leads would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks. Rod.
Rod
Found it Will send details later
Tony
I never had anything to do with the normal control Traders but they were popular as tippers and I did read something years ago that the late Donald Malcolm of W H Malcolm bought up all the remaining stock of chassis when Ford ceased production and Malcolms were big users of this chassis as you used to see them all over the Glasgow area in the day. Cheers Bewick.
I can’t find any fuses. Were any fitted?
HeyCharger:
I can’t find any fuses. Were any fitted?
Well there must be some but I only sold them but I have another data book and have a look in there.I would have thought you would be able to look at a wiring diagram on Google but just look at K series.I don’t think I have an owners manual but again I’ll have a look.
Is the info I sent any help ?
Tony
Thanks Tony (and others) for your help.
There is a data plate that states;
“Thames Trader 70
Product of Ford Motor Co Ltd England.”
I’m just wondering if the stamped number I quoted “83112**SPMC090" Could actually be 831128**PMC090”.
ie the “S” may in fact be an “8”.
That may then fit in with the numbers you quoted. Which would make it a '63 model.
It is fitted with a 5 speed gearbox and the wheelbase is 170"
HeyCharger:
I can’t find any fuses. Were any fitted?
I’ve just looked through my 1962 parts list for the NC range (surely I’m not the only person who just happens to have one of those in the cupboard) and at no point throughout all the exploded diagrams or part number listings is any type of fuse mentioned, so I take it they were probably fuseless.
hope this helps
1970commer:
HeyCharger:
I can’t find any fuses. Were any fitted?I’ve just looked through my 1962 parts list for the NC range (surely I’m not the only person who just happens to have one of those in the cupboard) and at no point throughout all the exploded diagrams or part number listings is any type of fuse mentioned, so I take it they were probably fuseless.
hope this helps
I dunno about that - if anybody’s got one, it’s gonna be Rob (or his dad)!
Steve
Ste46:
1970commer:
HeyCharger:
I can’t find any fuses. Were any fitted?I’ve just looked through my 1962 parts list for the NC range (surely I’m not the only person who just happens to have one of those in the cupboard) and at no point throughout all the exploded diagrams or part number listings is any type of fuse mentioned, so I take it they were probably fuseless.
hope this helps
I dunno about that - if anybody’s got one, it’s gonna be Rob (or his dad)!
Steve
Surely you don’t build a motor without fuses.Where the bloody hell is Doug when you want him.I wonder if Vic Harrison knows
Tony
The only references I can find re fuses are;
- Ford K700 Manual page 52 shows a diagram of the fuse block (containing 8 fuses). Does not state where it is located.
- Ford K Series including Thames Trader NC Range 1962-5 Parts List 1965/- page 398 makes reference to fuse panel and 3 fuses. But only 1 fuse 5/63/65/2 and two 2/65/
So if mine was pre 5/63, it won’t have any fuses. - Thames Service Bulletin Serial No. 44 March 1962, page opposite 12 of 16 does show “Flasher Fuse” in Fig 23 “View of Terminal Block”.
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