Taco question (15hr day)

ASK THE EXPERTS SAFETY, LAW AND WORKING TIME DIRECTIVE FORUM (INTE
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If I work more then a 15hr day will this show up as an infringement so long as I have not exseeded the max 9/10 hrs driving in the 24hr period in question
And I have had the correct daily rest?

PS: it a V.D.O taco meter

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If you work more than a 15 hour day how can you get a sufficient daily rest? Minimun is 9 hours.

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Yes working more than 15 hrs is an infringement

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You cannot work more than 15 hours and have the correct daily rest. Minimum rest is 9 hours which must be completed within the 24-hour period which begins when you resume work after a daily rest period. 24 - more than 15 = less than 9, so yes it will show as an infringement regardless of the type or make of tacho.

Doesn’t matter if you have 9. 11 or 144 hours off when you finish it won’t be the correct daily rest

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mc thackeray:
If I work more then a 15hr day will this show up as an infringement so long as I have not exseeded the max 9/10 hrs driving in the 24hr period in question
And I have had the correct daily rest?

PS: it a V.D.O taco meter

asfenton:
If you work more than a 15 hour day how can you get a sufficient daily rest? Minimun is 9 hours.

To add to that answer … in a 24 hour period from when the shift started 15+9=24

Also there is no rule for 10 hours max driving in a 24 hour period - its max 10 between rest periods

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I prefer beef mince and cheese in mine.

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Oh dear …Sorry your Honour.

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Coffeeholic:
You cannot work more than 15 hours and have the correct daily rest. Minimum rest is 9 hours which must be completed within the 24-hour period which begins when you resume work after a daily rest period. 24 - more than 15 = less than 9, so yes it will show as an infringement regardless of the type or make of tacho.

Doesn’t matter if you have 9. 11 or 144 hours off when you finish it won’t be the correct daily rest

So are you saying I need a 9hr rest within a 24hr period?
considering my first and last activities of the day was driving

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mc thackeray:

Coffeeholic:
You cannot work more than 15 hours and have the correct daily rest. Minimum rest is 9 hours which must be completed within the 24-hour period which begins when you resume work after a daily rest period. 24 - more than 15 = less than 9, so yes it will show as an infringement regardless of the type or make of tacho.

Doesn’t matter if you have 9. 11 or 144 hours off when you finish it won’t be the correct daily rest

So are you saying I need a 9hr rest within a 24hr period?
considering my first and last activities of the day was driving

The legally required daily rest must be completed within the 24-hour period. What your first and last activities were is irrelevant.

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mc thackeray:
So are you saying I need a 9hr rest within a 24hr period?
considering my first and last activities of the day was driving

If you’re having a reduced daily rest period you need to at-least nine hours rest completed with 24 hours from the start of the shift.
If you’re having a regular daily rest period you need to have at-least 11 hours rest completed within 24 hours from the start of the shift.

The only exception to this is when you’re multi-manning.

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ROG:
Also there is no rule for 10 hours max driving in a 24 hour period - its max 10 between rest periods

That is interesting
So are you saying if I done say euro work I could start say (in theory)
Start Monday- day 1. 8.00 am (9hrs drive 45min rest) finish 17.45
(nine hours rest)
start tue 2.45-day 2. (9hrs drive 45min rest) finish 12.30
(nine hours rest)
start tue-day 3. 22.15 (9hrs drive 45min rest) finish 8.00
(nine hours rest)
start wen-day 4. 17.00 (9hrs drive 45min rest) finish 2.45
(11 hours rest)
start thu-day 5. 13.45 (9hrs drive 45min rest) finish 23.30 thursday night

5 day week in a 4; just off for last orders at the pub :slight_smile: see ya :arrow_right:

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Coffeeholic:
The legally required daily rest must be completed within the 24-hour period. What your first and last activities were is irrelevant.

Thanks

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mc thackeray:

ROG:
Also there is no rule for 10 hours max driving in a 24 hour period - its max 10 between rest periods

That is interesting
So are you saying if I done say euro work I could start say (in theory)
Start Monday- day 1. 8.00 am (9hrs drive 45min rest) finish 17.45
(nine hours rest)
start tue 2.45-day 2. (9hrs drive 45min rest) finish 12.30
(nine hours rest)
start tue-day 3. 22.15 (9hrs drive 45min rest) finish 8.00
(nine hours rest)
start wen-day 4. 17.00 (9hrs drive 45min rest) finish 2.45
(11 hours rest)
start thu-day 5. 13.45 (9hrs drive 45min rest) finish 23.30 thursday night

That is legal - unrealistic - but legal

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mc thackeray:

ROG:
Also there is no rule for 10 hours max driving in a 24 hour period - its max 10 between rest periods

That is interesting
So are you saying if I done say euro work I could start say (in theory)
Start Monday- day 1. 8.00 am (9hrs drive 45min rest) finish 17.45
(nine hours rest)
start tue 2.45-day 2. (9hrs drive 45min rest) finish 12.30
(nine hours rest)
start tue-day 3. 22.15 (9hrs drive 45min rest) finish 8.00
(nine hours rest)
start wen-day 4. 17.00 (9hrs drive 45min rest) finish 2.45
(11 hours rest)
start thu-day 5. 13.45 (9hrs drive 45min rest) finish 23.30 thursday night

5 day week in a 4; just off for last orders at the pub :slight_smile: see ya :arrow_right:

took me way too long to check this, I’ve been awake for 27 hours now due to a cough!! (On my rest days thank god)

Pretty sure you could of started day 3 45 minutes earlier that you put but it’s all still sound. Would never happen as you’d just be driving and sleeping. Even in Europe! But all seems legal to me.

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ROG:

mc thackeray:

ROG:
Also there is no rule for 10 hours max driving in a 24 hour period - its max 10 between rest periods

That is interesting
So are you saying if I done say euro work I could start say (in theory)
Start Monday- day 1. 8.00 am (9hrs drive 45min rest) finish 17.45
(nine hours rest)
start tue 2.45-day 2. (9hrs drive 45min rest) finish 12.30
(nine hours rest)
start tue-day 3. 22.15 (9hrs drive 45min rest) finish 8.00
(nine hours rest)
start wen-day 4. 17.00 (9hrs drive 45min rest) finish 2.45
(11 hours rest)
start thu-day 5. 13.45 (9hrs drive 45min rest) finish 23.30 thursday night

That is legal - unrealistic - but legal

And keeping the unrealistic but legal theme going you could also do this.

Resume work after a weeks holiday
Start Monday 8.00 am (9 hours work, 45-minute break) finish 17.45
(9 hours rest)
Start 02.45 (9 hours 45-minute shift) finish 12.30
(9 hours rest)
Start Tuesday 22.15 (9 hours 45-minute shift) finish 08.00
(9 hours rest)
Start Wednesday 17.00 (9 hours 45-minute shift) finish 02.45
(11 hours rest)
Start Thursday 13.45 (9 hours 45-minute shift) finish 23.30
(11 hours rest)
Start Friday 10:30 (9 hours 45-minute shift) finish 20:15
(11 hours rest)
Start Saturday 07:15 (9 hours 45-minute shift) finish 17:00
(11 hours rest)
Start Sunday 04:00 (4 hour shift) finish 08:00
Begin weekly rest

You’re going to need enough breaks in the shift, or a bit of POA to keep the actual work to 60 hours for the WTD and the driving time to maximum of 56 hours over the eight shifts to be legal.

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Or what about this

Start Monday- day 1. 8.00 am (9hrs drive 45min rest) finish 17.45
(nine hours rest)
start tue 2.45-day 2. (9hrs drive 45min rest) finish 12.30
(nine hours rest)
start tue-day 3. 22.15 (9hrs drive 45min rest) finish 8.00
(nine hours rest)
start wen-day 4. 17.00 (9hrs drive 45min rest) finish 2.45
(11 hours rest)
start thu-day 5. 13.45 (9hrs drive 45min rest) finish 23.30
(11 hours res)
start fri- day 6. 10.30 (9hrs drive 45min rest) finish 20.15
24 hrs reduced rest

start week 2
start sat- day 1. 20.15 (9hrs drive 45min rest) finish 6.00
(nine hours rest)
start sun- day 2. 15.00 (9hrs drive 45min rest) finish 00.45
(nine hours rest)
start mon-day 3. 9.45 (9hrs drive 45min rest) finish 19.30
(nine hours rest)
start tue- day 4. 4.30 (9hrs drive 45min rest) finish 14.15
Yes! finished tue at 14.15

total of 10 working days x 9hrs driving= 90hrs driving in our 2 week period
is this legal and if so; how much rest is required now?

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Legal.

You could take 24 hours rest and resume work as long as you started another 45-hour rest before midnight Sunday. You could take 45 and resume work on Thursday without having to start another weekly rest before midnight Sunday. However, in both scenarios you could only do other work as you would not be able to do any more driving under EU rules until midnight Sunday having used the 90 hours allowed for the fortnight.

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Coffeeholic:
Legal

You could take 24 hours rest and resume work as long as you started another 45-hour rest before midnight Sunday. You could take 45 and resume work on Thursday without having to start another weekly rest before midnight Sunday. However, in both scenarios you could only do other work as you would not be able to do any more driving under EU rules until midnight Sunday having used the 90 hours allowed for the fortnight.

Dont understand what your saying
is the above formula correct or not?

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mc thackeray:
Or what about this

Start Monday- day 1. 8.00 am (9hrs drive 45min rest) finish 17.45
(nine hours rest)
start tue 2.45-day 2. (9hrs drive 45min rest) finish 12.30
(nine hours rest)
start tue-day 3. 22.15 (9hrs drive 45min rest) finish 8.00
(nine hours rest)
start wen-day 4. 17.00 (9hrs drive 45min rest) finish 2.45
(11 hours rest)
start thu-day 5. 13.45 (9hrs drive 45min rest) finish 23.30
(11 hours res)
start fri- day 6. 10.30 (9hrs drive 45min rest) finish 20.15
24 hrs reduced rest

start week 2
start sat- day 1. 20.15 (9hrs drive 45min rest) finish 6.00
(nine hours rest)
start sun- day 2. 15.00 (9hrs drive 45min rest) finish 00.45
(nine hours rest)
start mon-day 3. 9.45 (9hrs drive 45min rest) finish 19.30
(nine hours rest)
start tue- day 4. 4.30 (9hrs drive 45min rest) finish 14.15
Yes! finished tue at 14.15

total of 10 working days x 9hrs driving= 90hrs driving in our 2 week period
is this legal and if so; how much rest is required now?

I would say no you can’t do this as you have 72hrs driving in 1 week(Max driving in any week is 56hrs, 1 week is Monday 00:00 - Sunday 23:59).
When you start your week 2, the earliest you could start would be Sunday 22:00, at the end of the week 1 you still have 2 hours left that you could drive that week.

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Eat My BB:
I would say no you can’t do this as you have 72hrs driving in 1 week(Max driving in any week is 56hrs

Well spotted :smiley: