I imagine that a fair few of us will have been in this position in the past, but I was wondering about the correct way to do it?
I run back into the yard on a Saturday morning and am asked to de hire a unit. Eject card (digi) from mine and put it into vehicle 2. I drive for an hour or so and de hire the unit, I then wait in a nearby cafe for an hour or so until one of our drivers is passing and grab a lift back to the yard with him.
So the question is, what is the correct legal protocol to properly account for this time? I can’t use double manning rules as the other driver had been at work for over an hour, so am I meant to insert it into his slot 2 and do a manual entry for the waiting time? (Is this even possible?), am I meant to wait until Monday morning when I start work again and do a manual entry in my usual vehicle to cover my working time? Or do I just do nothing and take advantage of an apparent full 45 hour break? Not that I would do such a thing of course! 
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Opinions welcome.
I think you should put it in slot 2. As long as you don’t utilise the double manning allowance you should be ok
Manually record as break and other work
the maoster:
I imagine that a fair few of us will have been in this position in the past, but I was wondering about the correct way to do it?
I run back into the yard on a Saturday morning and am asked to de hire a unit. Eject card (digi) from mine and put it into vehicle 2. I drive for an hour or so and de hire the unit, I then wait in a nearby cafe for an hour or so until one of our drivers is passing and grab a lift back to the yard with him.
So the question is, what is the correct legal protocol to properly account for this time? I can’t use double manning rules as the other driver had been at work for over an hour, so am I meant to insert it into his slot 2 and do a manual entry for the waiting time? (Is this even possible?), am I meant to wait until Monday morning when I start work again and do a manual entry in my usual vehicle to cover my working time? Or do I just do nothing and take advantage of an apparent full 45 hour break? Not that I would do such a thing of course! .
Opinions welcome.
Exactly that.
Put it into slot 2, wait for it to load and it’ll ask you manual entry (in whatever wording that particular tacho uses), you can record that time as Break, POA or Other Work, upto you, personally I’d use POA for that time, but each to their own. You’re not driving, you’re not really working except for maybe a phone call to see where he is, so could be break or POA…
Officially, POA you should KNOW how long, but you can gauge it by experience, so if he’s 5 miles away, you know 10 mins or whatever.
Monday morning manual entry to account for your last shift.
If the other driver picked you up in a car/van you couldn’t use his tacho 
Honked:
If the other driver picked you up in a car/van you couldn’t use his tacho
I can see your point but he didn’t though, he picked me up in a tachograph equipped company vehicle. As it happens I didn’t put the card in, but the question only popped into my mind as we passed the DVSA checkpoint at Bingham roundabout and I wondered what the upshot of a tug would be.
They would only be interested in the driver, not the passenger. That would change if you had put your card in
I do not remember seeing any legal requirement for someone to use their digicard in a vehicle unless they were driving it
Honked:
They would only be interested in the driver, not the passenger. That would change if you had put your card in
If I were an official and stopped a truck in which the passenger was wearing the same uniform as the driver but had no card in it would set my spidey sense tingling. If only to establish beyond all doubt that it was innocent.
ROG:
I do not remember seeing any legal requirement for someone to use their digicard in a vehicle unless they were driving it
Hence my question Rog. I too have never seen such legislation and as stated I wasn’t double manning as such, but we all know how in the modern world EVERYTHING needs to be accounted for from a drivers point of view.
Our lot just bang the card in as I shows work but I don’t think it would matter much as long as you did a manual entry next time you put your card in.
As for getting pulled and having the same uniform on as the other party what if you had a lass from the office with you as she had to go out and see the type of work and meet customers or you may have a bod that’s just an extra bod ie banksman for an abnormal load the don’t need a licence and therefore wouldn’t need a tacho card fact being the card cannot be issued with out a licence
Isn’t there a requirement for the driver to use the recording equipment whenever available to him?
Therefore as he is a driver for that 24 hour period as he has already driven under EU legislation - when he climbs into the truck as a passenger the recording equipment becomes available to him and he should use it by using slot 2. A manual input for time from last withdrawal and then carry on with a POA being recorded by the VU.
Personally - I would have left my card in my pocket and carried out a manual input at the start of my next shift to record the activities that took place.
shep532:
Isn’t there a requirement for the driver to use the recording equipment whenever available to him?
A DRIVER YES but a person who only sits in the passenger seat is not a driver of that vehicle
ROG:
shep532:
Isn’t there a requirement for the driver to use the recording equipment whenever available to him?
A DRIVER YES but a person who only sits in the passenger seat is not a driver of that vehicle
I see what you are saying but … The OP is ‘a driver’ for that day and as ‘a driver’ has an obligation to use the recording equipment if available.
I doubt it much matters as long as the time was all recorded in one way or another.