I am having a discussion with another driver.
I say that you do not need paper in printer head if you have a spare roll and even if there is a roll in the head 1 roll is sufficient.
He now says that you must have 2 spare rolls at all time in cab!!
So who is right?
And any links to it
Ta
No links but I believe you need to have enough rol to print out your current and previous shift. The spare roll idea seems to have been adopted in case the current roll runs out while printing.
Its also the responsibility of the employer to supply the rolls
andy187:
I am having a discussion with another driver.
I say that you do not need paper in printer head if you have a spare roll and even if there is a roll in the head 1 roll is sufficient.
He now says that you must have 2 spare rolls at all time in cab!!
So who is right?
And any links to it
Ta
You won’t find a link to what you’ve been told because it’s not correct 
You don’t need a roll in the printer nor do you need two spare rolls, you should have enough printing paper to do any printouts required by an enforcement officer, the regulations don’t specify how many shifts of printouts an enforcement officer can ask for, but you could be on sticky ground if you are unable to provide printouts at-least as far back as the shift before your last weekly rest period.
I carry 2 spare rolls in my bag which i consider plenty.
tachograph:
andy187:
I am having a discussion with another driver.
I say that you do not need paper in printer head if you have a spare roll and even if there is a roll in the head 1 roll is sufficient.
He now says that you must have 2 spare rolls at all time in cab!!
So who is right?
And any links to it
TaYou won’t find a link to what you’ve been told because it’s not correct
You don’t need a roll in the printer nor do you need two spare rolls, you should have enough printing paper to do any printouts required by an enforcement officer, the regulations don’t specify how many shifts of printouts an enforcement officer can ask for, but you could be on sticky ground if you are unable to provide printouts at-least as far back as the shift before your last weekly rest period.
The only printouts an enforcement officer can and will ask you for is the ones you’ve made. Thats why there is no specification on how many they can ask you for beyond what you are required to retain.
Heres the actual wording, cut and pasted from Rules on Driver’s Hours and Tachographs:
“When driving a vehicle that is equipped with a digital tachograph, drivers should:
carry sufficient supplies of type-approved print roll on board the vehicle so that a printout can be
produced at an enforcement officer’s request;”
and also:
“Responsibilities of operators
Operators of transport undertakings have legal responsibilities and liabilities for their own compliance with the regulations and that of the drivers under their control. Transport undertakings must:
supply sufficient quantity of type-approved charts and print roll to drivers;”
Wether it’s law or not it’s just common sense to keep a couple in the cab. If you get a pull its better to eradicate as many opportunities for a bollocking from our boys in blue or our friends with there fixed penalty note pads.
Karl86:
Wether it’s law or not it’s just common sense to keep a couple in the cab. If you get a pull its better to eradicate as many opportunities for a bollocking from our boys in blue or our friends with there fixed penalty note pads.
I’ve a pack of 3 in my bag and spares in the car.
How accurate this is I do not know but was informed by a serving VOSA guy that he could feasibly request printouts from the driver card for previous 28 calendar days (where there are records) and previous 28 days vehicle print out.
He did say this would be in extremely rare cases but was possible. He also claimed this would require about 3 rolls for most people
I always advise have a couple of rolls just in case but the requirement is as stated. Must be able to produce printouts as requested with nothing specified as to how many
Mike-C:
tachograph:
andy187:
I am having a discussion with another driver.
I say that you do not need paper in printer head if you have a spare roll and even if there is a roll in the head 1 roll is sufficient.
He now says that you must have 2 spare rolls at all time in cab!!
So who is right?
And any links to it
TaYou won’t find a link to what you’ve been told because it’s not correct
You don’t need a roll in the printer nor do you need two spare rolls, you should have enough printing paper to do any printouts required by an enforcement officer, the regulations don’t specify how many shifts of printouts an enforcement officer can ask for, but you could be on sticky ground if you are unable to provide printouts at-least as far back as the shift before your last weekly rest period.
The only printouts an enforcement officer can and will ask you for is the ones you’ve made. Thats why there is no specification on how many they can ask you for beyond what you are required to retain.
Not quite. Shep has answered it below, an examiner could ask for 29 days printout if a driver failed the attitude test. Even going back to the old wax charts, the examiner would ask for todays card, if it looked wrong he would say, “previous” until he found a clean or a bent one.
Well we’ll have to agree to disagree. Its pretty clear and exact what has to be provided…
b) Where the driver drives a vehicle fitted with
recording equipment in conformity with Annex IB,
the driver must be able to produce, whenever an
inspecting officer so requests:
(i) the driver card of which he is holder;
(ii) any manual record and printout made during
the current week and the previous *15 days as
required under this Regulation and Regulation
(EC) No 561/2006, and
(iii) the record sheets corresponding to the same
period as the one referred to in the previous
subparagraph during which he drove a vehicle
fitted with recording equipment in conformity
with Annex I
__*__However, after 1 January 2008, the time periods
referred to under (ii) shall cover the current day and the previous 28 days
(c) An authorised inspecting officer may check
compliance with Regulation (EC) No 561/2006 by
analysis of the record sheets, of the displayed or
printed data which have been recorded by the
recording equipment or by the driver card or, failing
this, by analysis of any other supporting document
that justifies non-compliance with a provision, such
as those laid down in Article 16(2) and (3).
Apart from which the tachograph is able to show the last overspeeds, warnings, events so you would’t need to look through 28 days of records for them, the machine will show them itself.
If they want more than a few days they are more likely gonna put their card in and do a full download and slap it on their system… bits of paper hell Mr Vosa would be required to store file and retain them for ages and then he’d have to give you a receipt so you could show to Mrs Vosa the next day that you’ve already done it… 
So the VOSA examiner looks through the display and finds 17 infringements, is he going to remember them all or is he going to ask for a printout to cover those 17 infringements, come on Mike, you already know the answer to that one, without any evidence, the case would be laughed out of court.
Every time I have been in court or in front of the TC, there hasn’t been room for a lorry on the stand
Surely though, wouldn’t a VOSA (or whatever they are called today) just download the drvers card and view everything on their laptop?