Tacho infringements

[simcor]

lv437:
Good morning everyone. I have an unusual question. I had an accident 7 days ago. I turned over in the roundabout. The truck will be written off. I have a broken rib but I was very lucky. I am suspended right now and probably will loose my job.
I was driving under speed limit, took up 2 lanes(to make sure this wouldn’t happen), wasn’t on phone or anything like that.
My question would be the fallowing:

• I left my tacho card in the lory and it stayed in other work. I have just recently got it back and obviously it has a big infringement due the accident (and me not able to put it on break) What should I do ? My boss sad “you don’t have to worry about it for a now”. But I just realised that if I go to a different workplace to work than my next employer will have to deal with it and I will have to explain the reason.

• I haven’t sing anything about taking financial reliability for the truck or the load. Can I end up sued and forced to pay for the damage ?

To be clear this was a sealed container and all The paperwork said was “goods”. Therefore I don’t know if the load was secured properly or well distributed. It came from the docks. As I dome this roundabout 1000 times I still don’t understand how did my lorry turned over. But from the company point it’s just driver error and that’s it.
If anyone has any experience or helpful advice to give I would really appreciate it.

Sorry but there really isn’t any excuse for rolling a truck, can you not feel the weight in the truck and how the centre of gravity changes when cornering or going round roundabouts. Simply you were going too fast for the conditions and the load regardless of how it was loaded. It’s rare for a roll over to be down to just loading it’s usually the way it is driven.

Sorry to be so blunt but again as you said, I’ve done this roundabout 1000 times it sounds very much like complacency on your part. Most drivers are able to keep them upright after covering millions of miles in a career.

Under the speed limit does not mean it’s safe to do that speed.

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[zac_a]

simcor:
I regularly have exactly 15 or 45 minutes

Why? Do you believe it is appreciated by management that you’re itching to get the wheels rolling again? Which other industry has workers who can’t wait to finish their break and get back to work?
None that I’ve ever worked in, apart from driving.

The regular emphasis on minimal breaks and maximal hours is one of several reasons why younger people look at this industry and think “Bollox to that!”

[simcor]

Zac_A:

simcor:
I regularly have exactly 15 or 45 minutes

Why? Do you believe it is appreciated by management that you’re itching to get the wheels rolling again? Which other industry has workers who can’t wait to finish their break and get back to work?
None that I’ve ever worked in, apart from driving.

The regular emphasis on minimal breaks and maximal hours is one of several reasons why younger people look at this industry and think “Bollox to that!”

Not in the slightest, I go to work to do my job, get paid and go home, and get the job done in a reasonable amount of time without any ■■■■ taking like a lot of drivers. I work a max of 50 hours a week usually less than 10 hours a night. (Odd nights it goes to ■■■■ obviously I’ve had one 14.5 hour shift in over 2 years, and I refused to do that run again, it’s my choice to work over my hours not theirs, if it is planned to take over 12 hours I won’t do it simples, some nights I do 11 or maybe 12 hours when things are against me) I have plenty of breaks during the night whenever I’m sat around doing nothing.

Last night 2 hours sat around in the yard. Just over an hour to be tipped, had some dinner from the canteen etc, then on to my collection, 15 min sat (actually loaded in 12 mins so had to sit there for 3 extra mins to get a 15 min break in) around idle while being loaded on break even though I did not need to register another break and then back, 9 hours done.

I was merely expressing the utter ■■■■■■■■ touted often by people saying a 45 min break on the tacho head might not register a break.

I regularly can have 4 or 5 hours a night sat around twiddling my thumbs, why on earth would I want to waste any more time by extending breaks for no real reason. Plenty of time to rest and recuperate.

I also rarely drive more then 3 hours at a go, and take a leg stretch break whenever I feel like it, although usually I will have stopped around 2 hours of driving to check my fridge temp is in range still as per company procedure. I’n fact I stop before every drop usually to check the temp before I even get there. That is in addition to listening for the fridge running every so often and using the temp range lights on the fridge headboard.

I just don’t take the ■■■■ like a lot of drivers do, oh I’ve been sat in my truck for 3 hours at an RDC, I now need to pull outside and take my 45 min break. Or take 13 or 15 hours to do jobs that don’t take that long, just to get paid for max hours.

If I want to take any extra breaks I can do so as I please but I’d rather be at home than at work.

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Zac_A:

simcor:
I regularly have exactly 15 or 45 minutes

Which other industry has workers who can’t wait to finish their break and get back to work?
None that I’ve ever worked in, apart from driving.

Most places of work have set allocated break times, and people who abuse them get taken to task for it. You can’t just have an extra 5 mins break in most jobs like you can being a truck driver as you just wouldn’t get away with it. Some places can be more flexible with break times but it really depends on the job and company to be that lucky to not have to adhere to your set break times and duration.

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[simcor]

Oh and the other reason I don’t overly take the ■■■■ on runs is because when drivers do it impacts everyone else.

Stuff arrives back later than it really should, the warehouse are inconvenienced, as are transport having to make up extra runs, as are the drivers that are sat around waiting for the loads to come in, as are the receiving rdc’s, as are the shops, as are the customers who can’t buy the stock they want because it didn’t get there on time. It’s partly down to pride in doing a job to the best of your ability.

Everything has a massive knock on effect, sometimes it just can’t be helped, due to traffic problems and or delays at places. But often it can be helped by drivers who take the ■■■■.

And let’s face it, who wants to spend 13 and 15 hours a day or night at work 5 days a week, been there done it (when I was much greener) never again.

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[the_maoster]

Feel better now?

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Actually after having re-read that question, I say i regularly have only 15 or 45 minutes when it is required. I can see how that was read. Not all the time as I said I often have breaks that last an hour or several.

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the maoster:
Feel better now?

Aye just sometimes when you’ve got something to say it’s good to get it off your chest [emoji23] and I always think of something else I should have added or feel I don’t explain quite right.

I think the brain is on overtime today, comes from having to take your brain out at work maybe [emoji23]

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[the_maoster]

Fair play mate

[stephenjp]

Zac_A:

simcor:
I regularly have exactly 15 or 45 minutes

Why? Do you believe it is appreciated by management that you’re itching to get the wheels rolling again? Which other industry has workers who can’t wait to finish their break and get back to work?
None that I’ve ever worked in, apart from driving.

The regular emphasis on minimal breaks and maximal hours is one of several reasons why younger people look at this industry and think “Bollox to that!”

Well said, warehouse staff don’t rush back to unload/load, so, why should we!!!

[lv437]

simcor:

lv437:
Good morning everyone. I have an unusual question. I had an accident 7 days ago. I turned over in the roundabout. The truck will be written off. I have a broken rib but I was very lucky. I am suspended right now and probably will loose my job.
I was driving under speed limit, took up 2 lanes(to make sure this wouldn’t happen), wasn’t on phone or anything like that.
My question would be the fallowing:

• I left my tacho card in the lory and it stayed in other work. I have just recently got it back and obviously it has a big infringement due the accident (and me not able to put it on break) What should I do ? My boss sad “you don’t have to worry about it for a now”. But I just realised that if I go to a different workplace to work than my next employer will have to deal with it and I will have to explain the reason.

• I haven’t sing anything about taking financial reliability for the truck or the load. Can I end up sued and forced to pay for the damage ?

To be clear this was a sealed container and all The paperwork said was “goods”. Therefore I don’t know if the load was secured properly or well distributed. It came from the docks. As I dome this roundabout 1000 times I still don’t understand how did my lorry turned over. But from the company point it’s just driver error and that’s it.
If anyone has any experience or helpful advice to give I would really appreciate it.

Sorry but there really isn’t any excuse for rolling a truck, can you not feel the weight in the truck and how the centre of gravity changes when cornering or going round roundabouts. Simply you were going too fast for the conditions and the load regardless of how it was loaded. It’s rare for a roll over to be down to just loading it’s usually the way it is driven.

Sorry to be so blunt but again as you said, I’ve done this roundabout 1000 times it sounds very much like complacency on your part. Most drivers are able to keep them upright after covering millions of miles in a career.

Under the speed limit does not mean it’s safe to do that speed.

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So there is no point of good weight distribution. All comes down to driving anyway. If I get stopped by DVSA I’ll just quote you.

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[simcor]

lv437:

simcor:

lv437:
Good morning everyone. I have an unusual question. I had an accident 7 days ago. I turned over in the roundabout. The truck will be written off. I have a broken rib but I was very lucky. I am suspended right now and probably will loose my job.
I was driving under speed limit, took up 2 lanes(to make sure this wouldn’t happen), wasn’t on phone or anything like that.
My question would be the fallowing:

• I left my tacho card in the lory and it stayed in other work. I have just recently got it back and obviously it has a big infringement due the accident (and me not able to put it on break) What should I do ? My boss sad “you don’t have to worry about it for a now”. But I just realised that if I go to a different workplace to work than my next employer will have to deal with it and I will have to explain the reason.

• I haven’t sing anything about taking financial reliability for the truck or the load. Can I end up sued and forced to pay for the damage ?

To be clear this was a sealed container and all The paperwork said was “goods”. Therefore I don’t know if the load was secured properly or well distributed. It came from the docks. As I dome this roundabout 1000 times I still don’t understand how did my lorry turned over. But from the company point it’s just driver error and that’s it.
If anyone has any experience or helpful advice to give I would really appreciate it.

Sorry but there really isn’t any excuse for rolling a truck, can you not feel the weight in the truck and how the centre of gravity changes when cornering or going round roundabouts. Simply you were going too fast for the conditions and the load regardless of how it was loaded. It’s rare for a roll over to be down to just loading it’s usually the way it is driven.

Sorry to be so blunt but again as you said, I’ve done this roundabout 1000 times it sounds very much like complacency on your part. Most drivers are able to keep them upright after covering millions of miles in a career.

Under the speed limit does not mean it’s safe to do that speed.

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So there is no point of good weight distribution. All comes down to driving anyway. If I get stopped by DVSA I’ll just quote you.

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Good weight distribution is very important. But given most people who load vehicles have no care about weight distribution or good loading or give a toss about how good it is, it’s down to you to find out the issues.

At the end of the day you were driving too fast for the load and vehicle as I said regardless, you may not agree with that but those are the facts.

Most drivers manage to drive millions of miles in a career without ever rolling a truck over. I suppose that is purely just by chance and luck then?

It’s exactly the same as bridge strikes, most drivers cover millions of miles in a career without hitting bridges, but some drivers hit them, it comes down to driver error probably 95% of the time at the very least.

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[yourhavingalarf]

We used to…

Collect SCAC trailers out of Pompey docks and deliver them where ever up country. They were frequently loaded with large reels for printworks. Invariably the whole lot was secured by two small chocks of timber and occasionally a strap which was slack. Maybe other firms lost them out the back but we didn’t.

I box jockeyed for years, never had one go over and that includes 20 foot skellies on drum brakes.

The only load I can think of that will destroy itself in a curtain by simply putting your number plate on, or shutting the drivers door is glass.

[syramax]

Noremac:
The employer should be explaining every infringement to the driver. Retraining should be given if the infringements persist.

as i understand it ,you are signing to say things have been explained and you have understood ,so as not to repeat the same mistake ■■