Switchy and the Mail

[switchlogic]

I didn’t answer because it makes no sense, and it’s fairly incredible that you can’t see that. One that makes sense-

Scenario 1 lower pay and IN THE EU, yes, please

Scenario 2 Higher pay out of the EU. No

How has it taken all these posts for you to realise something I said in the piece?

Good old Trucknet, never ceases to amaze me how stupid some of you are. I’m not the brightest button in the box but you make me look like a genius. You should have just taken the trolling accusation and left with some dignity but the anonymous internet big man couldn’t let go.

You’re a Brexiteer- you won. Get over it

[switchlogic]

DCPCFML:
or are you going to skulk off crying to your mum again because some nasty driver is making you do things you don’t want to on the interwebs ?

This is hilarious though coming from the delicate anonymous internet hard man who gets upset at fictional posts. You wouldn’t last 5 seconds being as out there as I am. Try it sometime, be brave, put your name and face to a post. Honestly not as scary as you fear

[discoman]

switchlogic:
I didn’t answer because it makes no sense, and it’s fairly incredible that you can’t see that. One that makes sense-

Scenario 1 lower pay and IN THE EU, yes, please

Scenario 2 Higher pay out of the EU. No

How has it taken all these posts for you to realise something I said in the piece?
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Good old Trucknet, never ceases to amaze me how stupid some of you are. You should have just taken the trolling accusation and left with some dignity but the anonymous internet big man couldn’t let go.

You’re a Brexiteer- you won. Get over it

Sorry Luke, you would rather drivers lose wages and remain in the EU, I can’t understand if you are so determind to be an EU member why did you not go for settled status in the EU, would of been easy, as you could do your type of work from anywhere in the world whilst not driving.

Look, I was fed up with UK life, what did I do up lifted the family and moved to Australia, if you drove over here, where there are plenty of EU drivers here.
they get well, depends, if woolworths, or coles, approx $35-$44 an hour, for 8 hours then 1.5 after 8 and x 2 after 10 … all modern new fleet, same as Tesco and Sainsbury’s over here also a COR (chain of responsibility) ie, company gets fine for defective tyre not driver , unsecure load company gets fines etc …

Alas, I cannot see how you would advacate for lower wages just to be part of a union, where you never lived even though all your life you could of … I am not pro leave or remain as I am not affected and free to come and go in the EU, but come on lower wages giving yourself a worse work life balance.

It is quite strange, how you are unable to accept a democratic vote, your no better than Trump really.

[switchlogic]

discoman:
Sorry Luke, you would rather drivers lose wages and remain in the EU, I can’t understand if you are so determind to be an EU member why did you not go for settled status in the EU, would of been easy, as you could do your type of work from anywhere in the world whilst not driving.

I spent 20 years on road, rarely seeing family, much to my mothers upset. If it weren’t for them I’d be living in Ireland already but I owe it to them after they saved my life last year.

discoman:
Alas, I cannot see how you would advacate for lower wages just to be part of a union, where you never lived even though all your life you could of …
.

This makes no sense. It was a Union I lived in til January. And I made full use of freedom of movement, of my 20 years as a truck driver I worked in Holland or Ireland for 13 of them.

discoman:
It is quite strange, how you are unable to accept a democratic vote, your no better than Trump really.

This is a very very recent common point of view and a misguided one. Our whole political system is based on opposition. All this ‘leave if you don’t like it’ that fools often say is basically being in favour of a one party dictatorship. We wouldn’t have Brexit if the likes of Farage listened to that sort of advice. I’m not really arsed anymore, politically this country is a raging bin fire and I just don’t give a s**t anymore I’m afraid. Mentally I’ve totally disconnected from the U.K., past caring

[dcpcfml]

switchlogic:
I didn’t answer because it makes no sense, and it’s fairly incredible that you can’t see that. One that makes sense-

Scenario 1 lower pay and IN THE EU, yes, please

Scenario 2 Higher pay out of the EU. No.

WTF!? How does it “make no sense”? How have you come to this conclusion? ELI5 please. Which part of stagnant/reduced wages over 17-18 years when the floodgates were opened to the EEs 17-18 years ago “makes no sense”? As you don’t believe the two are connected, then what is your explanation for the stagnant/reduced wages for the last 17-18 years, as per your claim?

As for your response to my 2nd question - I have nothing to respond to that as there is no point even attempting to have an inteliigent debate with that level of dumb. Harry couldn’t have been more on point when he said about turkey’s voting for Christmas in a recent post.

[switchlogic]

DCPCFML:

switchlogic:
I didn’t answer because it makes no sense, and it’s fairly incredible that you can’t see that. One that makes sense-

Scenario 1 lower pay and IN THE EU, yes, please

Scenario 2 Higher pay out of the EU. No.

WTF!? How does it “make no sense”? How have you come to this conclusion? ELI5 please. Which part of stagnant/reduced wages over 17-18 years when the floodgates were opened to the EEs 17-18 years ago “makes no sense”? As you don’t believe the two are connected, then what is your explanation for the stagnant/reduced wages for the last 17-18 years, as per your claim?

As for your response to my 2nd question - I have nothing to respond to that as there is no point even attempting to have an inteliigent debate with that level of dumb. Harry couldn’t have been more on point when he said about turkey’s voting for Christmas in a recent post.

Because you are offering in your daft theoretical nonsense all the negatives with no positives on one side and all the positives on the other. Basic stuff really.

DCPCFML:
As you don’t believe the two are connected, then what is your explanation for the stagnant/reduced wages for the last 17-18 years, as per your claim?

FFS, again? You can’t genuinely be this dense?

How many more times do I need to say I didn’t say that before you’ll listen? I’ve posted the same bit of the article disproving what you say and making clear what I think over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. Jesus F. Christ it’s like head butting a particularly dense wall.

Agree you’re trolling and bow out with a tiny shred of dignity

[dcpcfml]

switchlogic:

DCPCFML:

switchlogic:
I didn’t answer because it makes no sense, and it’s fairly incredible that you can’t see that. One that makes sense-

Scenario 1 lower pay and IN THE EU, yes, please

Scenario 2 Higher pay out of the EU. No.

WTF!? How does it “make no sense”? How have you come to this conclusion? ELI5 please. Which part of stagnant/reduced wages over 17-18 years when the floodgates were opened to the EEs 17-18 years ago “makes no sense”? As you don’t believe the two are connected, then what is your explanation for the stagnant/reduced wages for the last 17-18 years, as per your claim?

As for your response to my 2nd question - I have nothing to respond to that as there is no point even attempting to have an inteliigent debate with that level of dumb. Harry couldn’t have been more on point when he said about turkey’s voting for Christmas in a recent post.

Because you are offering in your daft theoretical nonsense all the negatives with no positives on one side and all the positives on the other. Basic stuff really.

DCPCFML:
As you don’t believe the two are connected, then what is your explanation for the stagnant/reduced wages for the last 17-18 years, as per your claim?

FFS, again? You can’t be this dense?
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How many more times do I need to say I didn’t say that before you’ll listen? I’ve posted the same bit of the article disproving what you say and making clear what I think over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. Jesus F. Christ it’s like head butting a particularly dense wall.

Agree you’re trolling and now out with a tiny shred of dignity

You’re the [zb]ing dense one, doing your usual [zb] of ignoring the question, quoting some other irrelevant guff in response and calling people “trolls” who challenge you on your claims .

As you need to be spoken to like the utterly deluded simpleton that you are: IGNORE THE CURRENT and explain to me WHY wages have been stagnant/reduced for the past 17-18 years. This question is NOTHING TO DO WITH BREXIT nor any of the other irrelevant screen grabs you’ve posted. Brexit happened 1.5 years ago, not 17-18 years ago.

[switchlogic]

DCPCFML:
I have nothing to respond to that as there is no point even attempting to have an inteliigent debate with that level of dumb.

How very ironic. I’ve enjoyed debating with a great many on here and other places, I really love online debates with people as it keeps the mind active but honestly so far you are beating some serious competition for being frankly the most stupid adversary I’ve ever had the joy of encountering. So there’s that I suppose. You can add it to being an anonymous internet hard man. Feel free to quote me. X

[switchlogic]

DCPCFML:
As you need to be spoken to like the utterly deluded simpleton that you are: IGNORE THE CURRENT and explain to me WHY wages have been stagnant/reduced for the past 17-18 years. This question is NOTHING TO DO WITH BREXIT nor any of the other irrelevant screen grabs you’ve posted. Brexit happened 1.5 years ago, not 17-18 years ago.

The EU. I’ve only pointed that out dozens of times. How are you this stupid and still able to type?

[switchlogic]

DCPCFML:
quoting some other irrelevant guff in response and calling people “trolls” who challenge you on your claims .

Only you I was trying to be kind and give you a way out by saying trolling. Because the alternative, that you are being genuine, makes you look like you’ve the IQ of a particularly stupid child. Everyone else understood fine, even Harry after a while

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switchlogic:

DCPCFML:
As you need to be spoken to like the utterly deluded simpleton that you are: IGNORE THE CURRENT and explain to me WHY wages have been stagnant/reduced for the past 17-18 years. This question is NOTHING TO DO WITH BREXIT nor any of the other irrelevant screen grabs you’ve posted. Brexit happened 1.5 years ago, not 17-18 years ago.

The EU.

JHC! So after 3 [zb]ing pages of arguing to the contrary, you’ve finally admitted that being in the EU with an open borders policy to poor countries , is indeed the reason why wages have been stagnant/reduced for the past 17-18 years. Which was exactly what I [zb]ing said on page 1.

[switchlogic]

DCPCFML:

switchlogic:

DCPCFML:
As you need to be spoken to like the utterly deluded simpleton that you are: IGNORE THE CURRENT and explain to me WHY wages have been stagnant/reduced for the past 17-18 years. This question is NOTHING TO DO WITH BREXIT nor any of the other irrelevant screen grabs you’ve posted. Brexit happened 1.5 years ago, not 17-18 years ago.

The EU.

JHC! So after 3 [zb]ing pages of arguing to the contrary, you’ve finally admitted that being in the EU with an open borders policy to poor countries , is indeed the reason why wages have been stagnant/reduced for the past 17-18 years. Which was exactly what I [zb]ing said on page 1.

And which my first reply to you pointed out. But you dug yourself into some moronic hole and couldn’t get out. Better luck next time my stupid friend.

[switchlogic]

DCPCFML:

switchlogic:

DCPCFML:
As you need to be spoken to like the utterly deluded simpleton that you are: IGNORE THE CURRENT and explain to me WHY wages have been stagnant/reduced for the past 17-18 years. This question is NOTHING TO DO WITH BREXIT nor any of the other irrelevant screen grabs you’ve posted. Brexit happened 1.5 years ago, not 17-18 years ago.

The EU.

JHC! So after 3 [zb]ing pages of arguing to the contrary, you’ve finally admitted that being in the EU with an open borders policy to poor countries , is indeed the reason why wages have been stagnant/reduced for the past 17-18 years. Which was exactly what I [zb]ing said on page 1.

Shame reading isn’t a strong point of yours. It was only 6 hours ago.

DCPCFML:
So after 3 [zb]ing pages of arguing to the contrary,

I do love that you’ve wasted an evening arguing against something that’s entirely in your head though. You’re coming across as somewhat unhinged.

[adam277]

It was a good article even if the headline is stupid. But its the express so what do you expect.

I am torn on the issue of the EU personally. But we are out now so there is no sense dwelling on it.
My biggest issue was the mass influx of eastern Europeans into the country in the mid 2000s that helped in part keep wages static.
I do have a concern that this Tory government may yet say “Well we can get a load of cheap Philippines hgv drivers in on temporary visas.”

It was not 100% the fault of the UK though, the European Unions unwillingness to negotiate a more softer brexit did not help. Let’s not forget Thresa May got a deal with the EU that was so unpopular that we ended up with Boris and his hard brexit.
A lot of working class people on poor income voted for brexit because they saw first hand that the warehouses, building sites and driving jobs were filled with Eastern Europeans. That’s a tough pill to swallow if you happen to be looking for a job but cant find one. I remember working for a company in which I was the only English driver.
This in part was a failure of the government but to the average joe it did not look good.

[switchlogic]

He should take credit that out of the hundreds of interactions that story has generated in various places only he got so confused and got it so monumentally arse about face. Which is some going when you factor in that it’s the Daily Express

[switchlogic]

adam277:
It was a good article even if the headline is stupid. But its the express so what do you expect.

Yeah that did make me choke a bit when I saw it but like you say written for an audience.

[dcpcfml]

The staggering thing is that this rocket would be happy driving artics for £9/hr if it meant staying in the EU.

I:
OK. So how about this for a proposal to keep both parties happy :

2 pay scales :

Pay scale 1 for all the EU-lover remainers to stay on the (max) £9-11/hr that the country would still be on if we were still in the EU.
Pay scale 2 for all the Brexiters, a natural market forces wage of £14-30/hr now that there’s no longer any competition from Romanians, Latvians.

Seems fair to me. Those that want to remain in the EU should have to live with the consequences of doing so. OK with you Vernon ?

Vernon:
Scenario 1 lower pay and IN THE EU, yes, please

Scenario 2 Higher pay out of the EU. No

This mind-boggling stupidity is why lefties shouldn’t be allowed to vote.

Good to see he’s getting his arse absolutely handed to him in the Express’ article comments section at the bottom. Currently stands at 437 posts mostly telling him to [zb] off to his beloved EU.

[adam277]

adam277:
I do have a concern that this Tory government may yet say “Well we can get a load of cheap Philippines hgv drivers in on temporary visas.”

This is I think very likely to happen.
So I don’t think leaving the EU will help much in the long term when it comes to wages.
The Tory party are pro business first and foremost. If businesses want cheap labour than sooner or later it will happen. The tory government is not looking after the average joe by not giving visas to hgv drivers in the UK. They just probably have not prepared enough with their new immigration system to do it.
Countries like Australia, New Zealand and Canada already do this.

The tory government is actually pro immigration. They just want controlled immigration that benefits businesses and themselves.

[truckerguy]

These pay rises are simply a short-term boost

Is it? Says who?

How can you be pro lower wages to re-join a Communist state?

No dodging questions like a politician.

[discoman]

switchlogic:

discoman:
Sorry Luke, you would rather drivers lose wages and remain in the EU, I can’t understand if you are so determind to be an EU member why did you not go for settled status in the EU, would of been easy, as you could do your type of work from anywhere in the world whilst not driving.

I spent 20 years on road, rarely seeing family, much to my mothers upset. If it weren’t for them I’d be living in Ireland already but I owe it to them after they saved my life last year.

discoman:
Alas, I cannot see how you would advacate for lower wages just to be part of a union, where you never lived even though all your life you could of …
.

This makes no sense. It was a Union I lived in til January. And I made full use of freedom of movement, of my 20 years as a truck driver I worked in Holland or Ireland for 13 of them.

discoman:
It is quite strange, how you are unable to accept a democratic vote, your no better than Trump really.

This is a very very recent common point of view and a misguided one. Our whole political system is based on opposition. All this ‘leave if you don’t like it’ that fools often say is basically being in favour of a one party dictatorship. We wouldn’t have Brexit if the likes of Farage listened to that sort of advice. I’m not really arsed anymore, politically this country is a raging bin fire and I just don’t give a s**t anymore I’m afraid. Mentally I’ve totally disconnected from the U.K., past caring

Mate, I am not knocking you at all.

Personally, as said it doesn’t affect me leave or remain, as I can still live freely in the EU due to Spanish side… but I would of cited leave, had I of known how it benefited the drivers now, it’s long over due … you drivers got a decent wage, 70 hour weeks are not justified …. But if the wage has gone up by say 250 a week it makes it more bearable.

Farage lol, is a total idiot …. We have to disagree on dictatorship, I am far from a Tory supporter, however, people voted and they won seats based on the electoral votes…

Re the Union (EU) , we know factually employers abused EU workers, a lot knew moving to the UK was a better wage at the time, even 8 quid an hour was better that say in Romanian / Poland etc … this, made the employers say take it or leave it when drivers had no options as they sent money home to family…
Now the uk left, wages appear to be on the up in all eastern block countries, can you blame them from going home to families! I won’t.

Now, UK employers are getting the just desert, any right minded person… will not work for a pittance and it’s common to see, employers crying fowl as they are now losing out…

As for your injury, I see them idiots saying , you must be drunk or banned etc, not knowing you lost your life nearly, thankfully, your Alive and on the mend…

I feel you about the UK, hence as said we upped and left in 2011, been in Australia exactly 10 years on the 3rd of January …. Best decision we made p, once COVID ends we will sell out London home and buy a bigger house here… never have intentions to ever come back full time… the UK went to the dogs under labour , I noticed in 2006/2007 things getting bad and 2011 was the final nail in the coffin … where I live now In the southern highlands nsw … crime is people stealing flowers lol…

I can never see the UK rejoining the EU, and I do not blame them, but, I see both sides lied and both sides had their own agenda … Europe for me was never a fuss anyways… never had holidays or worked in the EU so no real affect for me …

Time for the UK, and EU to move on with dignity … and stop being divided.

Hope your still on road to recovery and can get the LGv licences back one day.