Silver_Surfer:
Ahh ok, I never knew that. I still wouldn’t want it defaulting to rest every time I switched the ignition off as it’d be as if Michael J Fox was trying to decide wether to have a break or not.
I suppose in that case it just protects big firms with loads of muppet drivers who forget to select the right mode when on break so they don’t have massive infringement lists.
Never seen anyone post on here saying I forgot to put it on other work, but see plenty were they forgot to put it on rest/break!!
Like I said in an earlier post, I don’t do a lot of other work, so it’s easier to have it go to rest, you can’t get done for recording to much rest. Muppetry doesn’t come into it, posting about something you obviously know nothing about is muppetry!
For what it is worth, I would imagine that too much rest and not enought work may well see Mr VOSA asking too many questions.
Only comment ive ever had off VOSA re breaks is, we like to see lots of breaks! so thats what they get.
That is wrong, they like to see WORK too, if your card shows Break/Drive/Break/Drive/Break/Drive they WILL start digging.
It is also known as falsifying records and could see you in front of the TC if it is a regular thing.
This was my concern - surely it is common sense although as I said earlier, it does depend upon what sort of work you do.
Lusk:
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It was just a thought that too many breaks and not a comparable amount of other work could make them suspicious but then it all depends on the type of work you are doing.
So am I supposed to record other work i’m not doing, just because vosa like to see other work?
Silver_Surfer:
Ahh ok, I never knew that. I still wouldn’t want it defaulting to rest every time I switched the ignition off as it’d be as if Michael J Fox was trying to decide wether to have a break or not.
I suppose in that case it just protects big firms with loads of muppet drivers who forget to select the right mode when on break so they don’t have massive infringement lists.
Never seen anyone post on here saying I forgot to put it on other work, but see plenty were they forgot to put it on rest/break!!
Like I said in an earlier post, I don’t do a lot of other work, so it’s easier to have it go to rest, you can’t get done for recording to much rest. Muppetry doesn’t come into it, posting about something you obviously know nothing about is muppetry!
For what it is worth, I would imagine that too much rest and not enought work may well see Mr VOSA asking too many questions.
Only comment ive ever had off VOSA re breaks is, we like to see lots of breaks! so thats what they get.
That is wrong, they like to see WORK too, if your card shows Break/Drive/Break/Drive/Break/Drive they WILL start digging.
It is also known as falsifying records and could see you in front of the TC if it is a regular thing.
This was my concern - surely it is common sense although as I said earlier, it does depend upon what sort of work you do.
I can assure you, you dont need to concern your self, I dont.
Lusk:
This was my concern - surely it is common sense although as I said earlier, it does depend upon what sort of work you do.
Not really, if you do your vehicle checks - WORK
5 Mins at the gatehouse - WORK
Handing in notes - WORK
Opening Curtains - WORK
You see where this is going…
ANY work MUST be recorded, if your tacho shows 2 min break every 5 mins they will know you are not using your modes correctly
I record enough work a day to keep vosa quiet.
And If you do it right it doesnt get recorded even though the tacho is on other work, but thats not my fault.
Lusk:
This was my concern - surely it is common sense although as I said earlier, it does depend upon what sort of work you do.
Not really, if you do your vehicle checks - WORK
5 Mins at the gatehouse - WORK
Handing in notes - WORK
Opening Curtains - WORK
You see where this is going…
No, I’m on containers.
ANY work MUST be recorded, if your tacho shows 2 min break every 5 mins they will know you are not using your modes correctly
OK, try this one
Vehicle Check… WORK
Booking into the docks… WORK
Waiting in the THA… POA or WORK
Undoing Twist Locks… WORK
Having box lifted / dropped… WORK
Checking seal/exit gate… WORK
Customs Shed for radiation scan… WORK
Paperwork… WORK
Opening Doors… WORK
Closing Doors… WORK
Fuelling Up… WORK
Dropping Trailer… WORK
Debrief… WORK
Need I continue?
You do WORK as well as drive, even the box jockeys and vosa are well aware of this, if you show little or no work they WILL want to know why
You do WORK as well as drive, even the box jockeys and vosa are well aware of this, if you show little or no work they WILL want to know why
Take the following types of driver:
One, say works for Morrisons (reading their job description from another post) they drive from RDC to shop, park up and put it on break/POA then drive back to RDC and put it on break/POA.
Now take another haulier who say transports straw and has to help offloading. If he puts his mode onto break/POA and is stopped by VOSA, by wirtue of his occupation, the chances of him getting done are far greater than the first example.
You do WORK as well as drive, even the box jockeys and vosa are well aware of this, if you show little or no work they WILL want to know why
Take the following types of driver:
One, say works for Morrisons (reading their job description from another post) they drive from RDC to shop, park up and put it on break/POA then drive back to RDC and put it on break/POA.
Now take another haulier who say transports straw and has to help offloading. If he puts his mode onto break/POA and is stopped by VOSA, by wirtue of his occupation, the chances of him getting done are far greater than the first example.
But the Morrisons driver would still need to do the following as an absolute minimum
Vehicle Checks
Couple Up
Collect Paperwork
Gatehouse BS
Hand paperwork in
Open Doors
Collect Paperwork
Close Doors
Gatehouse BS
Go to office
Uncouple
Wash Vehicle
Fuel Vehicle
Paperwork
Debrief
So even the Morrisons driver would have some WORK to show on his/her card
Lusk:
This was my concern - surely it is common sense although as I said earlier, it does depend upon what sort of work you do.
Not really, if you do your vehicle checks - WORK
5 Mins at the gatehouse - WORK
Handing in notes - WORK
Opening Curtains - WORK
You see where this is going…
No, I’m on containers.
ANY work MUST be recorded, if your tacho shows 2 min break every 5 mins they will know you are not using your modes correctly
OK, try this one
Vehicle Check… WORK
Booking into the docks… WORK
Waiting in the THA… POA or WORK
Undoing Twist Locks… WORK
Having box lifted / dropped… WORK
Checking seal/exit gate… WORK
Customs Shed for radiation scan… WORK
Paperwork… WORK
Opening Doors… WORK
Closing Doors… WORK
Fuelling Up… WORK
Dropping Trailer… WORK
Debrief… WORK
Need I continue?
You do WORK as well as drive, even the box jockeys and vosa are well aware of this, if you show little or no work they WILL want to know why
THA cant be POA or WORK its POA or BREAK!
TWIST LOCKS can be done in under a minute so doesnt get recorded.
I only do 1 box a day.
You worry to much.
Do you see me worrying too much?
You do WORK as well as drive, even the box jockeys and vosa are well aware of this, if you show little or no work they WILL want to know why
Take the following types of driver:
One, say works for Morrisons (reading their job description from another post) they drive from RDC to shop, park up and put it on break/POA then drive back to RDC and put it on break/POA.
Now take another haulier who say transports straw and has to help offloading. If he puts his mode onto break/POA and is stopped by VOSA, by wirtue of his occupation, the chances of him getting done are far greater than the first example.
But the Morrisons driver would still need to do the following as an absolute minimum
Vehicle Checks
Couple Up
Collect Paperwork
Gatehouse BS
Hand paperwork in
Open Doors
Collect Paperwork
Close Doors
Gatehouse BS
Go to office
Uncouple
Wash Vehicle
Fuel Vehicle
Paperwork
Debrief
So even the Morrisons driver would have some WORK to show on his/her card
I am talking about No/VERY VERY Little O/W
The least O/W I have recorded in a day is 8 mins!
It all depends, like you say on what type of work your doing!
Silver_Surfer:
Ahh ok, I never knew that. I still wouldn’t want it defaulting to rest every time I switched the ignition off as it’d be as if Michael J Fox was trying to decide wether to have a break or not.
I suppose in that case it just protects big firms with loads of muppet drivers who forget to select the right mode when on break so they don’t have massive infringement lists.
Never seen anyone post on here saying I forgot to put it on other work, but see plenty were they forgot to put it on rest/break!!
Like I said in an earlier post, I don’t do a lot of other work, so it’s easier to have it go to rest, you can’t get done for recording to much rest.
Muppetry doesn’t come into it, posting about something you obviously know nothing about is muppetry!
Oohhh touchy ain’t you, another arsey know it all.
Silver_Surfer:
Ahh ok, I never knew that. I still wouldn’t want it defaulting to rest every time I switched the ignition off as it’d be as if Michael J Fox was trying to decide wether to have a break or not.
I suppose in that case it just protects big firms with loads of muppet drivers who forget to select the right mode when on break so they don’t have massive infringement lists.
Never seen anyone post on here saying I forgot to put it on other work, but see plenty were they forgot to put it on rest/break!!
Like I said in an earlier post, I don’t do a lot of other work, so it’s easier to have it go to rest, you can’t get done for recording to much rest.
Muppetry doesn’t come into it, posting about something you obviously know nothing about is muppetry!
Oohhh touchy ain’t you, another arsey know it all.
Not at all, can’t see how i can be a know it all, just stating a fact.
Are you ■■■■■■ because your posting about thing you know nothing about?
OK, you know everything about everything & trying to offer a different point of view to you is like trying to plat water. Carry on with your I’m right & know everything attitude.
Silver_Surfer:
OK, you know everything about everything & trying to offer a different point of view to you is like trying to plat water. Carry on with your I’m right & know everything attitude.
No, I said its each to their own from the start, its you thats being an arse saying what way is wrong!
I didn’t say its wrong in your particular situation as you manage it to comply in your situation as you are fully aware how it’s set up.
You obviously took my general muppet comment earlier & applied it to yourself and got defensive. You probably do know more about the intricate working of a tacho than I do but all this you know nothing about it ■■■■■■■■ is pretty childish.
I think it’s wrong, generally speaking, having the tacho default to rest if you switch the ignition off or whatever because people more than likely aren’t on rest when they switch the ignition off so could be found to be at fault for using incorrect mode.
If you had a chart that has a load of false start small breaks and not much other work, it doesn’t look very professional.
Silver_Surfer:
I didn’t say its wrong in your particular situation as you manage it to comply in your situation as you are fully aware how it’s set up.
You obviously took my general muppet comment earlier & applied it to yourself and got defensive. You probably do know more about the intricate working of a tacho than I do but all this you know nothing about it ■■■■■■■■ is pretty childish.
I think it’s wrong, generally speaking, having the tacho default to rest if you switch the ignition off or whatever because people more than likely aren’t on rest when they switch the ignition off so could be found to be at fault for using incorrect mode.
If you had a chart that has a load of false start small breaks and not much other work, it doesn’t look very professional.
Silver_Surfer:
I didn’t say its wrong in your particular situation as you manage it to comply in your situation as you are fully aware how it’s set up.
You obviously took my general muppet comment earlier & applied it to yourself and got defensive. You probably do know more about the intricate working of a tacho than I do but all this you know nothing about it ■■■■■■■■ is pretty childish.
I think it’s wrong, generally speaking, having the tacho default to rest if you switch the ignition off or whatever because people more than likely aren’t on rest when they switch the ignition off so could be found to be at fault for using incorrect mode.
If you had a chart that has a load of false start small breaks and not much other work, it doesn’t look very professional.
I dont use charts! but I know what your on about, and it doesnt work the same way on a digi tacho.
Just because you think its wrong, doesnt make it wrong. in fact its perfectly legal!
You have already admited you dont know how a digitacho works, so how you can say I am doing it wrong because it defaults to break “only” when the ignition is switched off?
Silver_Surfer:
I didn’t say its wrong in your particular situation as you manage it to comply in your situation as you are fully aware how it’s set up.
You obviously took my general muppet comment earlier & applied it to yourself and got defensive. You probably do know more about the intricate working of a tacho than I do but all this you know nothing about it ■■■■■■■■ is pretty childish.
I think it’s wrong, generally speaking, having the tacho default to rest if you switch the ignition off or whatever because people more than likely aren’t on rest when they switch the ignition off so could be found to be at fault for using incorrect mode.
If you had a chart that has a load of false start small breaks and not much other work, it doesn’t look very professional.
