Sick of seeing my name appear on countless threads so ive stuck a couple of questions in one!
First of all I am going to SORN my current vehicle this weekend as new one will go on road monday and dont currently have o licence to run two. Plus the fact ill just be ticking over from now until harvest, when I plan to put two vehicles on the road. I will be removing this vehicle from the o licence in order to put the new one on, just wondered if I had to notify DVSA that its sorn as obviously it wont be getting inspected in the meantime.
The next is about adblue. Never used the stuff before so whats the ins and outs of it?! Is it readily available on the road? Is it cheaper to buy in bulk (ibc) or buy on fuel card? What are some of you paying per litre and what sort of consumption do you get? I have 4 spare ibc’s on farm that have had liquid fert in, could they be used for adblue if cleaned out thoroughly and, if so, how much would I likely pay if buying 1000 litres+ at a time?
Last, and probably most important, I am taking the daf out for first time tomorrow, just to iron out any teething problems it may have. Now, as I only have o licence for one vehicle, will I have to remove the MAN in order to use the DAF? I know you can run for 28 days without specifying it on o licence with a hire vehicle but is this the same when I own it? The reason I dont want to remove MAN straight away is just in case I have any problems and need to use it again tomorrow or monday? I will only be using one vehicle on the road at any one time
I doubt the DVLA and DVSA will be coordinated so making a sorn to DVLA for tax is the best way to go.
Not had to buy adblue for 3 years now but 1000l ibc was £420. Not sure if price has gone up or down with popularity.
Can you not change it using the DVSA self service website or does whoever handles your PMT’s have a trade plate you can use for a few hours? If it’s your own vehicle I don’t think the 28 day exemption applies (somebody may correct me on this) do you not have a “friend” with a spare space on their o licence who you can rent it to while they test drive it for you (if you get my drift)
I do have mate with space on the licence but want to do it 100% legal. I wouldn’t be allowed to do work for hire or reward if using it on trade plates either. Think ill just remove current vehicle on self service and put new motor on.
I’ll just answer the question about AdBlue for now.
Yes, it’s quite easily available on the road, you should be looking to pay 59.9p a litre, MSA’s charge about 90p a litre and it’s even more on fuel cards, about the same as diesel, i.e. 110p a litre.
I use about 25-30 litres in a busy week.
It will obviously be cheaper if you buy it by the IBC but be very careful, contaminated AdBlue can lead to very costly bills.
Dan Punchard:
Iam pretty sure to change vehicle s on your licence you can do it over the phone .
I can do it online Dan, the only thing is I dont know if what im doing is correct. Can I use the new vehicle legally without removing the old vehicle from the licence just for the weekend? Even if I add the DAF tonight the vehicle will not be displaying an o licence disc tomorrow but if I dont remove the MAN I could still use it over the weekend if I have problems with the DAF.
Just flicked through my cpc notes and under the heading ‘Changes to vehicles specified’ it states;
If an operator wishes to change the vehicles specified on the licence he must notify the central licensing office within one month of the change occurring.
Under the heading of ‘Removal of vehicles’ it says;
If an operator ceases to use a vehicle on the licence he must advise the central licensing office within 21 days.
Does this mean what im planning on doing is right or wrong?! Wish it was just plain English!
Yes you’re ok. You can send them a snail mail asking the daf to be removed Fri, the MAN added Sat. If all goes well with the test then you need do nothing else. If you’re not happy with the man, remove it Monday and re - instate the daf
m1cks:
Yes you’re ok. You can send them a snail mail asking the daf to be removed Fri, the MAN added Sat. If all goes well with the test then you need do nothing else. If you’re not happy with the man, remove it Monday and re - instate the daf
Yes this would be the best way to cover my back but I dont want to arouse any suspicion as to why I keep adding and then removing the same vehicle. I had to remove my current vehicle for one day a month ago when it was broken down and I borrowed a unit to get my trailer home. That unit was then added agaon the following day and now a month down the line im removing it again with the possibility I will be adding it again in August!
You have a perfectly legit reason for doing so. Why would this arouse suspicion? Think of the bigger picture of how many vehicle changes they process each day. Even if it did raise a red flag, you’ve done nothing wrong.
The other option is to use it Saturday and if you do get stopped, tell em it’s in the post. That would raise more suspicion.
Dont use an old IBC, fill it with any old adblue and use a dirty old can to fill up your tank. You will kill the cat and that will cost you. Lots.
I would advise - order a branded sealed IBC of adblue - Air1 or some such, that is manufactured to the correct ISO standard. You will have to pay a deposit on the IBC (£100 or so). Buy an adblue specific pump. Hand pumps are cheapest, electric pumps dearest. Adblue attacks most metals so pumps must be either plastic or stainless steel, which is why they’re quite expensive. Keep the pipe from the pump which goes in your tank clean.
OK it costs a bit to set up, but you shouldn’t have any problems, and your IBC will last you 7-10 months, adblue has a shelf life of 18 months. Adblue systems going wrong due to contamination = big cost.
As for the O licence - as you’ve not got a margin you’ll have to go online and remove the old truck then add the new one. Put the old o licence disk in the post. Don’t worry about no disk in the old truck, it’s logged on the computer. O licence disks are not transferable, don’t put old one in new truck. You can then use the new truck legally, assuming it’s taxed etc.
If by Thursday you decide to use the old truck again and repair the new one, you’ll have to swap it back again. Doing it online means you get instant authorisation, if you get stopped and they ask you where your disk is, tell them what you’ve done. You’ve done your bit by telling them online.
If you’re going to increase licence to put 2 trucks on the road, increase your licence to at least 3. Then you can have 2 on the road, and if one breaks down, rent one in, without telling Beverley for a month. BUT you will need financial standing for 3 vehicles and an op centre big enough for 3, even though you’re running one/two.
As others have said, you can’t put adblue in an old ibc. It has to be a sealed one.
It’s still the cheapest way , mine last one was £320 delivered. I don’t use a pump I get one with a tap at the bottom and stand it on a pile of blocks (the first one I bought came with a pipe and nozzle and included the deposit for the ibc)
I’ve changed supplier now but my first one was from here
Oh forgot to say before - I don’t normally buy 2nd hand stuff, but I bought a 2nd hand trailer from Wye commercials last summer. They seem to only have half decent stuff in there, think you’ve made a good choice.
For me it’s not practical to have an IBC but here are some quick maths for my own set-up.
I fill up with Adblue every Saturday morning and have just done so. I used 33.42 litres last week and covered 2813km which is 1748 miles.
Cost ex-VAT was £16.68. I calculate consumption last week at 52.33 miles per litre. The previous owner did tell me that he had had the pump (or whatever it is) backed off a bit.
Silver_Surfer:
It’s only worth having a 1000 litre IBC of ad blue if you run more than one motor otherwise just buy it on the pump.
I dont understand your thinking there. Ive just paid 59.9 ppl for adblue at the pump but have been quoted 32ppl in a 1000l ibc which is £320 plus the deposit for ibc (£100). I agree it will take me a long time to get through an ibc but the sales office said it lasts at least 12 months.
Silver_Surfer:
It’s only worth having a 1000 litre IBC of ad blue if you run more than one motor otherwise just buy it on the pump.
I dont understand your thinking there. Ive just paid 59.9 ppl for adblue at the pump but have been quoted 32ppl in a 1000l ibc which is £320 plus the deposit for ibc (£100). I agree it will take me a long time to get through an ibc but the sales office said it lasts at least 12 months.
Matt
I agree with Matt, I’ve only got one on adblue and the price difference makes it worthwhile for me ( one ibc lasts me 6 months)
As an alternative you can get 200l drums for somewhere about 50ppl
If you buy it at the pump be wary of using your Fuelcard , one of mine wanted to add 20% to the site price
Silver_Surfer:
It’s only worth having a 1000 litre IBC of ad blue if you run more than one motor otherwise just buy it on the pump.
I dont understand your thinking there. Ive just paid 59.9 ppl for adblue at the pump but have been quoted 32ppl in a 1000l ibc which is £320 plus the deposit for ibc (£100). I agree it will take me a long time to get through an ibc but the sales office said it lasts at least 12 months.
Matt
I couldn’t be arsed having £300 worth of ad blue in the yard for the sake of saving £10 per week.
Silver_Surfer:
It’s only worth having a 1000 litre IBC of ad blue if you run more than one motor otherwise just buy it on the pump.
I dont understand your thinking there. Ive just paid 59.9 ppl for adblue at the pump but have been quoted 32ppl in a 1000l ibc which is £320 plus the deposit for ibc (£100). I agree it will take me a long time to get through an ibc but the sales office said it lasts at least 12 months.
Yes, although the 59.9p becomes 50p without the VAT. For me it would save £7 a week to buy it by the IBC which I suppose is worth it except I don’t have the space for one.
(the first one I bought came with a pipe and nozzle and included the deposit for the ibc)