Someone's in trouble!

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In summary, some payroll companies directors didn’t pay VAT, about £45 million worth. Makes me wonder how far this is going to go.

"A thieving family stole more than £45million from the taxpayer to splash out on a fleet of luxury cars, race horses, trips to Las Vegas and mansions around the world.

Geoffrey Copp, 56, his brother Andrew, 50, and his son Joshua, 24, enjoyed ‘high living on a grand scale’ while employing foreign manual workers on minimum wage to maximise their income during the VAT scam.

Joshua’s £4m home was referred to as an ‘Aladdin’s cave’ of luxury material goods including Bentleys worth £300,000 and Rolex and Audemars Piguet watches worth £50,000.

He was in the process of buying a £4.25m property in Barnet, north London, and among the nine cars registered to him were a Ferrari F12 Berlinetta, a Lamborghini Aventador, a Bentley Continental, Rolls Royce Wraith and Rolls Royce Ghost.

Their business Central Payroll Specialists, later Quality and Premiere Services, provided payroll services to recruitment companies and issued invoices to their customers with a 20 per cent VAT applied.

They declared sales amounting to just under £20m when the true figure was more than £250m and kept the VAT due.

Official records showed Geoffrey and Joshua paid no income tax between 2009 and 2015 - and Andrew paid just £15,930.

A picture was found by police on Joshua Copp’s mobile phone showing bundles of money

Detectives found a photo of a notepad showing calculations of how the VAT fraud was worked out

Joshua could spend millions in a single session at a Las Vegas gambling table and had numerous photos of him posing in private jets, casinos and with bundles of cash in briefcases.

On his mobile phone, detectives found a photo of a notepad showing calculations of how the VAT fraud was worked out and then split between him and his father and uncle.

His father Geoffrey Copp, who owned four mansions in the UK and one in Malaga, bought valuable race horses and paid more than £120,000 for training and stabling.

He is also said to have spent nearly £300,000 on private flights to Malaga and elsewhere between July 2014 and January 2015.

When police raided his home in Stanmore, north London they found £55,000 cash hidden in various places including inside a Bentley GTC Convertible on the driveway.

A Lamborghini belonging to Joshua Copp, the younger of the three found guilty, was released by police

He had bought three Bentley Continentals in cash between 2013 and 2015.

His brother Andrew Copp owned eight homes - six of which were mortgage-free - including one in Malaga.

In 2015 he paid more than £362,000 for a Range Rover Vogue, Lamborghini Gallardo and Bentley Continental.

Several Rolex watches, works of art, a Lamborghini, Bentley and Range Rover were found at his home in Hemel Hempstead.

Between them the Copp trio owned at least four Bentleys, seven Range Rovers, three Lamborghinis as well as a Ferrari and four Mercedes.

Accountant Simon Hathaway, 51, whose firm netted £400,000 for his work for them over a two year period and allegedly helped in the scam was acquitted of false accounting and conspiracy to cheat the public revenue.

James Waddington QC, prosecuting, said: 'The first three defendants stole through their companies over £40m Value Added Tax which they collected from other companies and failed to pass onto the Exchequer.

Cars worth hundreds of thousands of pounds were found during the probe into the VAT scam. Pictured is a Bentley Continental belonging to Geoffrey Copp

'The fourth defendant facilitated this process in his capacity as the company accountant.

'Each defendant played an important role, albeit a distinct role in that offence which is the main charge in this case.

'Joshua Copp spent a lot of his money living this high life. He had a free and easy attitude to the spending of this pot of taxpayer’s money.

‘During 2014-2015 £9.2m was transferred to him from the CPS and QPS accounts. He also passed a lot to his uncle and father.’

He added: 'On May 21 2015 police came to his home and a Range Rover Evoque and Mercedes Brabus were parked outside.

'A Lamborghini and Ferrari were also registered to him. The cars were seized.

'The Rolls Royce, purchased for £250,000 was found at the home of a friend.

‘The Ferrari cost £245,000 and he spent another £100,000 converting it. The Lamborghini cost £330,000. The other cars cost a total of £400,000.’

Andrew Copp owned eight homes - six of which were mortgage-free - including one in Malaga. He also owned this white Lamborghini vehicle

Referring to Joshua’s home he added: 'It was a bit of an Aladdin’s cave containing as it did gold and bejewelled watches and numerous items of designer clothing.

'Evidence from Selfridges shows that between January and May 2015 he spent over £130,000 in that shop alone.

‘He also liked Harrods - on one occasion he bought six pairs of sunglasses there for £1,220.’

Joshua Copp spent £30,000 on a gold Rolex Skydweller watch, and £56,000 on a gold Piguet watch.

Meanwhile Geoffrey Copp had a £48,000 diamond ring from Hatton Garden, and Andrew Copp had five Rolex watches, it is claimed.

Even after his arrest in May 2015, Joshua Copp was said to have carried on his ‘extravagant lifestyle’.

This included travelling to Miami, returning in June 2015 with £134,500 worth of watches and £94,000 of jewellery, as well as £7,700 in cash.

Several Rolex watches, pictured, works of art, a Lamborghini, Bentley and Range Rover were found at the home of Andrew Copp in Hemel Hempstead

The trio claimed they did not know there was a VAT debt and had left the VAT to their accountant.

They were found guilty of with conspiracy to cheat the public revenue and money laundering between 21 February 2012 and 15 December 2015 following a trial at Wood Green Crown Court.

Speaking after their conviction Detective Chief Inspector Josie Hayes, of the Kent and Essex Serious Crime Directorate, said: 'Geoffrey, Andrew and Joshua Copp conducted a highly organised payroll fraud on a scale never before seen in the UK.

'They shamelessly took money destined for the public ■■■■■ to fill their own wallets and brazenly fund extravagant lifestyles, which were beyond the means of many, including the workers whose wages they managed.

‘This was unknown to the many hard-working temp staff whose wages they managed and the recruitment agencies who entrusted the Copps to manage payrolls and paid fees for those services.’

‘Today’s convictions represent many months of detailed investigation and I’d like to thank the witnesses who provided evidence, and staff at HMRC’s Criminal Taxes Unit, with whom we have worked with closely.’

The trio will be sentenced at a later date."

And these type of people are the ones who stand to lose from our exit of the eu. But they can’t show you stories like these as the reasons they want to stay in, so they try other men’s like scaremongering us about losing our jobs and being 5 grand a year worse off etc etc :unamused:

Good on them. The government steals a large chunk of my wages every month and pi$$es it away. At least these guys had fun doing it. Pity their sentences will be about 5 times longer than kiddie fiddlers get

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Good on them. The government steals a large chunk of my wages every month and pi$$es it away. At least these guys had fun doing it. Pity their sentences will be about 5 times longer than kiddie fiddlers get

Couldn’t agree more.

Darkside:

Night-and-day:
Good on them. The government steals a large chunk of my wages every month and pi$$es it away. At least these guys had fun doing it. Pity their sentences will be about 5 times longer than kiddie fiddlers get

Couldn’t agree more.

So you’re happy that the owners of what appears to be an umbrella company was not only, most probably, ripping off agency workers but ripping of tax payers in general at the same time.

Personally I’d give them 5 years just for running an umbrella company.

OVLOV JAY:
And these type of people are the ones who stand to lose from our exit of the eu. But they can’t show you stories like these as the reasons they want to stay in, so they try other men’s like scaremongering us about losing our jobs and being 5 grand a year worse off etc etc :unamused:

Could you write any more nonsense.

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Darkside:

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Good on them. The government steals a large chunk of my wages every month and pi$$es it away. At least these guys had fun doing it. Pity their sentences will be about 5 times longer than kiddie fiddlers get

Couldn’t agree more.

So you’re happy that the owners of what appears to be an umbrella company was not only, most probably, ripping off agency workers but ripping of tax payers in general at the same time.

Personally I’d give them 5 years just for running an umbrella company.

£45 million is small fry today.

I am not sure how they were ripping off their own workers, if the pay rate was low then the workers go elsewhere surely?

I would be upset if they had took £45 million and funded some despot or terrorist organization, but they had a spend up, at least some of this went back into the public ■■■■■ in VAT.

I am not condoning law breaking, but in the scale of things this is nothing.

del trotter:

OVLOV JAY:
And these type of people are the ones who stand to lose from our exit of the eu. But they can’t show you stories like these as the reasons they want to stay in, so they try other men’s like scaremongering us about losing our jobs and being 5 grand a year worse off etc etc :unamused:

Could you write any more nonsense.

What’s nonsense exactly? It was clearly in the op that these crooks were using cheap migrant labour on nmw to maximise their earnings. I haven’t noticed anyone stating that as a reason for staying in the eu, just stories about us losing our jobs. If you can post a link to an article where someone states cheap labour is a great reason to stay in the eu, I’ll gladly say my post was “nonsense” :unamused:

OVLOV JAY:

del trotter:

OVLOV JAY:
And these type of people are the ones who stand to lose from our exit of the eu. But they can’t show you stories like these as the reasons they want to stay in, so they try other men’s like scaremongering us about losing our jobs and being 5 grand a year worse off etc etc :unamused:

Could you write any more nonsense.

What’s nonsense exactly? It was clearly in the op that these crooks were using cheap migrant labour on nmw to maximise their earnings. I haven’t noticed anyone stating that as a reason for staying in the eu, just stories about us losing our jobs. If you can post a link to an article where someone states cheap labour is a great reason to stay in the eu, I’ll gladly say my post was “nonsense” :unamused:

olov ,if you talk sense on any issues in these web posts, Someone always seems to think they have an obligatory duty to try and downsize your logic ignore ‘clever people get your drift’ :smiley:

tachograph:

Darkside:

Night-and-day:
Good on them. The government steals a large chunk of my wages every month and pi$$es it away. At least these guys had fun doing it. Pity their sentences will be about 5 times longer than kiddie fiddlers get

Couldn’t agree more.

So you’re happy that the owners of what appears to be an umbrella company was not only, most probably, ripping off agency workers but ripping of tax payers in general at the same time.

Personally I’d give them 5 years just for running an umbrella company.

+1 with a big caveat

Totally agree. These high end scammers milk the system and what’s more it’s allowed.

However. Prosecuting is total emporers new clothes. If they had genuine concern over tax evasion on principle, they’d shut down the British run Cayman Islands where huge Goliath amounts of the worlds wealth run through tax free with ne’er a penny reaching these shores. And the worse offenders dining on this UK tax beach holiday are UK and European corporations.

What they have a concern about is tax evasion by the great unwashed. Pick on a few small time men above them and it sends a message. A private jet and a Lamborghini a corporation does not make.

If you are small enough to have a wallet, you’ll get your balls felt, but if you’re big enough you don’t need a wallet, you’re in the club. Politics since the dawn of time has been about managing the oiks.

These boys are in for some hard time, the judiciary take a dim view of stealing from the Crown and as Crown agents will be looking to hand out stiff jail terms as punishment and to act as deterrent to anyone thinking of doing the same.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see something in the 15/20 years bracket but my law career starts and finishes with Judge Rinder of an afternoon