Someone asked me about this. Driving trucks in North America

I was chastised for not putting anything on another forum about driving over here.

Oh well, someone asked so here goes…

Driving a truck is driving a truck, wherever you are. The driving itself is straightforward. The trucks are longer, the trailers are longer and if you are in a KW then the driving compartment is narrow which causes a little right hand drift for a bit. Other than that, no big deal. The person who nagged me said he thought he would have to start all over, but that isn’t true. Anyone with a reasonable idea and ability can drive here. The distances are greater, and city traffic is still bedlam, but the distances between cities is much greater so you get a good amount of time to settle back down before getting snarled up again.
Most places here are on a grid pattern, so mistaken streets are generally no big deal. Go around the block and you are back where you started. Most city blocks are numeric and split into avenues going one way and streets going at 90 degrees to the avenues. The addresses will have the street or avenue in them, and the prefix of the number will have the opposing street or avenue number. Therefore, 9034 132nd Street will mean that the address is in the area of 90th avenue on 132nd street.
Rural routes are usually numbered, too, so are fairly easy.

Things that do take a bit of getting used to are things like the aforementioned distance. You can go several hours without seeing more than scattered villages. The speed limits are often strictly enforced and worth noting. There aren’t many speed cameras, but the RCMP are often around. The first time I went to Ontario, I thought it really nice to see forests again. After 700 miles with sod all but forest it was nice to see open space.

Canadian roads can be rough. They take a hell of a beating all year round, but in the winter they can be really bad when the water underneath the surface freezes and pushes the surface up in ridges. Last winter, the highway from the US border up to Winnipeg was so bad that it was better to drive on the shoulder half the time and keep your speed down to 40kms. Any faster and you would shake your fillings out. The TransCanada 1 was little better approaching Winnipeg from the East, and the Police were not interested in stopping trucks doing 80 ks in the outside lane because it was much better than the inside.

In spring, the ice melts and leaves you with mud. They put weight restrictions on many roads then, and you must adhere to them. Many of these mean that you can’t even use the road when empty because your front axle is above the load % allowed. This adds an additional worry, but your dispatcher should be on the ball and will route you accordingly.

Weights are a huge issue here. Overloading is frowned upon big style. It gets interesting when you load to or from the US, as they run lighter weights than Canada. It’s just a case of getting used to it. A little experience goes a long way, and a little thought and care can save lots of hassle. I loaded oil drilling pipe from Texas and got it wrong. I was 1600lbs over on the trailer tandem, but with the sliding bogie I was able to get the weight evenly spread by putting the axles right to the back of the trailer. Then I had to slide them back to a 41’ span when I entered Canada, but because the weights are higher here I was legal again. The fine was $114 and that was the end of it.

Everywhere you go in North America, you will find scales. If the lights are flashing then you have to weigh. They sometimes decide to do an inspection which can be interesting, too. Then again, they are nowhere near as narrow minded, petty and ridiculous as the UK version.

The biggest deal to me is wildlife. Moose are the obvious one, as they have been mentioned before. Meeting one in the dead of night when the first thing you see is him stepping out 50’ ahead is damned scary and the damage they can do is unbelievable.
But there are others. I’ve heard tell that a black bear can put a truck on its side because they are pretty low to the ground. They will wipe out bumpers, radiators, sumps and various air components regardless of whether or not you stay upright. Deer will make an awful mess, too. They seem to be rather chunkier than the Red Deer in the UK, and will take a corner out of your truck without difficulty.
Smaller animals are everywhere. Lots of Racoons, Coyotes and foxes. The worst of these are skunks. I squished one a couple of nights back, and I was almost puking when I tried filling up with diesel an hour or so later. I stuck 200 litres in and drove through the rain for a while and I could still smell the ■■■■■■ thing later on.

Driving here is totally different, yet very similar. When you do orientation/induction here, they will scare you half to death with rules and potential problems, but a reasonable mind and a lot of care will see you right.

Bob,
I’ve been meaning to say its good to have you posting your experiences here on TN now as well as on Onlinetruckers :smiley: :wink: .
As for the truck driving in N.America thing to me it really was a gift,as I’ve said before on these forums,back in 2002 I along with a dozen or so others went on a harvest run to the States.
Some of the guy’s were farmers sons and had never driven an artic before apart from the usual large tractors and silage trailers etc.Within a week they had their class A CDL with all the extras and where loaded up and heading to hit the wheat with a JD STS combine on the semi trailer and pulling two combine headers on the second trailer travelling from N.Dakota to Oklahoma without any dramas :exclamation: :exclamation: :open_mouth:
As for squishing a Skunk,you should try cutting wheat with a combine after one has inadvertingly gone up through the threshing part of the machine NICE :exclamation: :exclamation: :exclamation: :frowning: :laughing: .

Tacking onto Bob’s thread,here’s a bit about log books.

In the US trucks don’t have tachographs,though gps based electronic logs are used by some companies .For now most drivers use a log book to record their status over a 24 hr period.They are OFF DUTY,SLEEPER BIRTH,DRIVING and ON DUTY (not driving)

The rules are fairly straight forward though as we’re dealing with a government agency there is plenty of room for confusion.

Drivers may work within either the 70hr/8day rule or the 60hr/7day rule.The 70hr rule is for carriers who operate 7 days a week,the 60 hr rule is for carriers that don’t operate 7 days a week. Both rules work the same way.

The 70hr/8day does not mean you have 8 days to work 70 hrs then take a break.Rather it is a rolling total that changes everyday.

For example if I take the weekend off (sat/sun) and start work Monday , when I finnish on Monday night I add up the ON DUTY and DRIVING hours for the last 7 days (including monday) and subtract the total from 70hrs.The difference is the available hours I have for Tuesday.On Tuesday night I recalculate again for Wednesday’s available hours and so on until I hit 70hrs on the 8 day total. At this point I must take a 34hr break (called a restart) .

The 70hr/8day rule is the framework on which the daily driving rules hang.They work on a 24hr clock and begin when you start work.

In any 24 hr period you may be on duty 14hrs,though you may only drive 11hrs.
You must take a 10 hr break in the 24hr period,though if you are using the SLEEPER provision you can split your breaks but one break must be for at least 8 hours. Shorter breaks are logged as OFF DUTY but DO count against the 14 hr clock.

You may also extend ON DUTY status to 16hrs for one period providing you have returned to your home terminal for the previous 5 shifts.11 hour DRIVING rule still applies and you may use this provision only once between 34 hour restarts.

There is also a provision for emergencys if you need to get to a safe haven. Not even this government wants you to freeze to death on the side of the road

:unamused: Thats the basics.

It’s important to keep your log book current (up to the last change in duty status). Officials often ask to see it when your on the scales at a weigh station or passing through a toll plaza.If it’s not up to date they will make your life miserable,run your truck through the inspection shed and scutinize all your paper work. :imp:

Again this is for the US. Canada has slightly different rules for 'Hours of service" and there is the whole issue of transitting both countries with different rules ,which I haven’t read up on.

The maximum load is 80,000lbs truck trailer and load, unless you are going into heavy haul where you would need a special permit to carry anything over 80,000lbs.
I think you are also missing the point that you are paid by the mile … no paid sleep overs… no paid waiting time and you often have to Load /Unload yourself again with no extra money, you can be sat at a dock for hours (even with an appointment).
The Company can have you sitting at a truck stop for a couple of days, for which you don’t get paid a penny… your only earning whist you are moving.
If you want to see America then yes it’s great if you like Highways and you can afford to take things easy… your employers will probably want the opposite and want you to run for up to 3 weeks at a time and sometimes more before you are home.
By all means give it a try but go with your eyes wide open !

littlesteper:
no paid waiting time and you often have to Load /Unload yourself again with no extra money, you can be sat at a dock for hours (even with an appointment).!

Really? Ermm. Not entirely accurate. I get paid waiting time if I am delayed by more than 2 hours after the appointment time. I get paid for loading, unloading, extra deliveries and tarping. I also get paid for border crossings.

littlesteper:
The Company can have you sitting at a truck stop for a couple of days, for which you don’t get paid a penny… your only earning whist you are moving.
!

I get layover days if there is no load available when I am empty. I also get paid if the truck goes out of service on the road.

And this is on Flatdeck.

Not every firm treat you with contempt

Really? Ermm. Not entirely accurate. I get paid waiting time if I am delayed by more than 2 hours after the appointment time. I get paid for loading, unloading, extra deliveries and tarping. I also get paid for border crossings.

how many docks u been siting at with a flatbed? i know there r some docks that u back in to and do u get paid good when the wind pulls u off the top and do u get paid good for haveing all the road grime from rain and so on? what i mainly talking about was reefer and dry van mostly the biger company in the states and some and some small companys in canada no one said all companys

I get layover days if there is no load available when I am empty. I also get paid if the truck goes out of service on the road.

how long do u sit there before the layover pay starts? most company is 24 hrs but its not that much cud make more with a load on with some company
some dont know on here that most ppl in england.uk get payed by the hour for over the road and get a little more if they sleep in the truck and still get paid for siting to get loaded and unloaded and there not unloading or loading well i sud say some dont but its still by the hour

i no u dont get payed by the hour from start to finished of a day your still on the mile or % thats what i was saying

I wasn’t bickering. I was simply saying that it isn’t all bad.

The waiting time is after 6 hours and paid 12 hours a day I think. I was Owner Op in the UK so I wasn’t paid hourly. Forgot what it was like to be paid that way.

i was just asking think u got a good company coz some company dont pay that good u know what i mean when i used to go up to canada had to make sure i had the money in hand to go back to the states and no x pay for going there if the trucking company in the states payed like they do here in england and around there wud be driver short i cudnt belive how much a diff it is get payed for all the little things

True, but the cost of living and the crap that goes with it make it less than worthwhile in the UK.

I get paid waiting after 2 hrs,loading and unloading. Also get a guaranteed weekly minimum and Saturday/Sunday off,though I have done one Saturday morning since I’ve been here.

i was just saying its all got its good and bad company but how many drivers that work for a company makes ne thing for just siting and u know just as well as i do 90% of the companys r not going to give u a penny for u siting in the states if a company is giveing u money i dont care how much it is thats a half way good company but like i said most of the BIG companys o.t.r r not going to give u a good pay for just siting and im never out on weekends but in the states im my own boss havent got that good yet in the u.k and i havent found it that hard over here as a company driver i think so far company drivers have it made then the company drivers in the states or canada but i’ll let u no if anything gos wrong but i only been over here driver in england havent got to go out of england yet but i cannt wait till i do i want to see how hard it is to driver all over im really looking foreward to it

have fun and remember to get your visa

for when and where it is needed, when

visting mainland europe,

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Sure enough. That was what I was meaning. I think the company I am with are a good firm. I know most pay nothing for downtime, and it always struck me as a bit off when the firms are able to do that. This is why I think the firms offering more money per mile are more of a concern. They pay that bit more for miles but don’t pay layover or other things.
We get loading pay, tarp pay, border crossing pay and the layover. they even paid a layover for yesterday because another driver didn’t leave in time to get the load into the yard for me to go on with.
As for th Uk, you can keep it. I did Europe for several years, and it was always better than UK work, but in recent years they have started to get worse until it became just as much a chore.