RB84:
Evil8Beezle:
RB84:
Maybe I’m just easily pleased ehOr you just can’t read!
Possibly what has Mr Magoo here missed?
The night out money and bonus is already included.
Plus as this is agency and it doesn’t say different, it will be self employed/Umbrella, so no holiday pay or pension contribution…
Yes you might have seen another job for 22k, but that doesn’t mean you have to apply for it! 
RB84:
I may be on my own thinking this but is this wage so bad??now if its £121 all in for the day its not the best for being away all week I don’t dispute that, but its still double that of a 40hr week on minimum wage and if my maths is right about £500 in your pocket and a weekend off! If the bonus and night out money is on top of that then its a decent enough wage surely.
Granted if your working max hours its not great but if its a steady easy enough day I think it pays well enough. Personally if I do get a job driving I think £29,000ish a year is what it would work out too? Would be good enough especially when there’s night trunking jobs being advertised for £22,000.
Maybe I’m just easily pleased eh
I don’t doubt this could be agency fodder as indeed is full of ad’s from them, but it could just be written badly and your bonus and night out could be on top of the day rate? IF the job was fulltime it wouldn’t be the best but it’s not the worst like Harry and others said it would depend on what the day involved. I was only really using the trunking job to show there are crappier jobs out there!
RB84:
RB84:
I may be on my own thinking this but is this wage so bad??Granted if your working max hours its not great but if its a steady easy enough day I think it pays well enough. Personally if I do get a job driving I think £29,000ish a year is what it would work out too? Would be good enough especially when there’s night trunking jobs being advertised for £22,000.
Maybe I’m just easily pleased eh
I don’t doubt this could be agency fodder as indeed is full of ad’s from them, but it could just be written badly and your bonus and night out could be on top of the day rate? IF the job was fulltime it wouldn’t be the best but it’s not the worst like Harry and others said it would depend on what the day involved. I was only really using the trunking job to show there are crappier jobs out there!
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Matters not how the job is being dressed up…its still crap money…
I was trying to look at it from both angles really depending on if everything is included in the day rate or if the night out and bonus is actually extra. It may be the ad is badly written as surely you don’t get a bonus in your salary it would have to be extra?? Otherwise its not a bonus its just regular pay
They must be pretty desperate if they are advertising here for a single job.
Evil8Beezle:
pickandmix:
Unfortunately it will meet minimum wage compliance as long as you don’t exceed 63 hoursYes drive, like I said at the interview, the average should be about 10-12 hours a day, but needs of the business and all that…
No way would I take a day rate job, as there’s only likely to be one winner there!
On the other hand, being salaried means that if I take an hour longer to get back, the company are not on my back claiming that I’m dragging the job out. As I mentioned elsewhere, my approach to work is Mediterranean. I like regular breaks, and often pull over for an hour or so, on my way back to the yard. With a salary (or day rate) you also know where you are, every week (month), regardless of quiet times. And I’m paid the same rate for my holidays ( did I tell you how I get a fortnight off for taking 4 holidays 
).
Sure, hourly pay, maxed out, looks good on paper, but how much time do people get to enjoy it, if you work 65/70 hours a week? I’ve grown rather fond of my 4day weekends …
RB84:
I was trying to look at it from both angles really depending on if everything is included in the day rate or if the night out and bonus is actually extra. It may be the ad is badly written as surely you don’t get a bonus in your salary it would have to be extra?? Otherwise its not a bonus its just regular pay
Rate for this role is £121 Per day which includes attendance and night out bonus.
I cannot comprehend how this is ambiguous? 
Evil8Beezle:
RB84:
I was trying to look at it from both angles really depending on if everything is included in the day rate or if the night out and bonus is actually extra. It may be the ad is badly written as surely you don’t get a bonus in your salary it would have to be extra?? Otherwise its not a bonus its just regular payRate for this role is £121 Per day which includes attendance and night out bonus.
I cannot comprehend how this is ambiguous?
He’s either very dense, or he’s the agency…
Well I should probably limp off and be quiet 
. But I will say that even top line its still double that of a 40hr minimum wage job and you should still have the best part of £500 in your pocket for a mon - fri no weekends job if you are maxing hours and being pushed then not great I agree but if left alone and steady days then its not that bad in the grand scheme of things.
Earning near the minimum wage but then not having enough free life to spend even that - might work in the middle eastern version of “business plan” - but we should steer well clear of it here - surely?
I favour a more American approach, when you can achieve wonders by throwing enough money at drivers to get the job done 24/7 no incidents, no moans, happy smiling faces as they open their pay packets…
Don’t even get me started on the Japanese “Just in time” model. 
■■■■ he’s good… I can’t decide. He’s either very very dense, or so ■■■■ g agency he makes Connor look like a self employed umbrella driver.
the nodding donkey:
[zb] he’s good… I can’t decide. He’s either very very dense, or so [zb] g agency he makes Connor look like a self employed umbrella driver.
I think I’ll claim that as praise from Caesar himself 
Maybe I’m naïve in thinking that’s an average wage for a class 1?
I will also put on my glass’s and say that they are showing that money to make it look better than it is but unless any ones done the job its all guessing as to how good or bad it actually is?
RB84:
the nodding donkey:
[zb] he’s good… I can’t decide. He’s either very very dense, or so [zb] g agency he makes Connor look like a self employed umbrella driver.I think I’ll claim that as praise from Caesar himself
Maybe I’m naïve in thinking that’s an average wage for a class 1?
I will also put on my glass’s and say that they are showing that money to make it look better than it is but unless any ones done the job its all guessing as to how good or bad it actually is?
Oh no. Trying to pad it out, and slipping… Good effort to start though. But ultimately another busted flush.
I can hardly believe that someone is trying to describe what this job pays as a reasonable wage.
Ignoring the ‘bonus’ ■■■■■■■■ but taking the night out money off, it’s actually £95 per day. Work 12 hours and that’s £7.92ph, and it goes downward from there.
What’s the saying about drivers and their own worst enemies again?
RB84:
Well I should probably limp off and be quiet
As you won’t listen to sensible people here why don’t you wander off and give this shower a try then report back with your experience in a month or so?
Well i don’t drive so perhaps i am spouting ■■■■■■■■ but my work does revolve around haulage and i am interested in driving.
i will listen to people certainly, and i’m not saying the wage is brilliant but time and time again you have the same thing on here about terrible rates and wages so unfortunately its just the way things are nowadays? i think most people would want more money for their time and effort but its just the way it is for the bulk of driving jobs and it won’t change any time soon!
Olog Hai:
I can hardly believe that someone is trying to describe what this job pays as a reasonable wage.Ignoring the ‘bonus’ ■■■■■■■■ but taking the night out money off, it’s actually £95 per day. Work 12 hours and that’s £7.92ph, and it goes downward from there.
What’s the saying about drivers and their own worst enemies again?
Sadly that has been the story for decades and it is unlikely to change any time soon.
RB84:
Well I should probably limp off and be quiet
£474.47p to be exact on a single mans allowance if it is £605 top line, wouldn’t get out of bed for that.
RB84:
Well i don’t drive so perhaps i am spouting ■■■■■■■■ but my work does revolve around haulage and i am interested in driving.i will listen to people certainly, and i’m not saying the wage is brilliant but time and time again you have the same thing on here about terrible rates and wages so unfortunately its just the way things are nowadays? i think most people would want more money for their time and effort but its just the way it is for the bulk of driving jobs and it won’t change any time soon!
So you are an agency then.
I don’t think in this case the rate is what is baulked at, it’s the underhand way in which you present it. Just advertise the base hourly rate, or base day rate, and mention overtime, meal allowed especially, night out money etc separately.
I don’t even disagree entirely with the premise that there is any reason why driving jobs MUST be paid (much) more than other jobs that require minimal qualification. It is up to drivers to consider, and if companies feel that they need to attract a higher caliber of driver, they will pay more. What is really ■■■■■■■ me, and others, off, is the underhand way in which companies try to pay astitle as possible, whilst pretending to do otherwise. I am on a salary. Not much, but better than some. I knew how much I get paid per week, and the hours I could maximally expected to work for them. They were acceptable, so I took the job. I don’t complain about my wages. I also know the hourly rate for overtime. It is not enough for me, so I don’t work overtime. The company I work for do not expect me to run silly hours, and in return I don’t cry when occasionally I do need to go into 13 or even 15 hour days. The company occasionally ask if I can work an extra shift, to which the answer is a polite no.
If drivers don’t like working for £7.50, the answer is simple. Don’t work there.
