From what I have read some were? it says you cannot have a 45 hr rest period of full 45 hour rest period in the truck. you can have 24 and eeer go to a hotel etc… now the crazy laws doesn’t really state exactly by room, so basically if you carry a 1 man tent you have left the truck and had time away even tho you are only yards away from the truck it doesn’t state you cannot camp !! 
globby 480:
From what I have read some were? it says you cannot have a 45 hr rest period of full 45 hour rest period in the truck. you can have 24 and eeer go to a hotel etc… now the crazy laws doesn’t really state exactly by room, so basically if you carry a 1 man tent you have left the truck and had time away even tho you are only yards away from the truck it doesn’t state you cannot camp !!
What
I believe it is due to the influx of Eastern European drivers not going home.
It just means they will sit in Dover or holland Spain Germany until they get fed up with them except the uk of course look how long it took to charge the lorry user charge.
Also how long b4 the French fine u even if u never took the 45 in France
gmccabe13:
I believe it is due to the influx of Eastern European drivers not going home.
It just means they will sit in Dover or holland Spain Germany until they get fed up with them except the uk of course look how long it took to charge the lorry user charge.
Also how long b4 the French fine u even if u never took the 45 in France
Exactly, and I suspect that most of the actual fines, if any occur will be from western European trucks/drivers who will just pay up without fuss because they panic and don’t understand the processes in foreign countries. Plenty of UK firms do 3 weeks away at a time for example and will fall foul of this just as the Poles and Romanians will.
I wonder if the EU will do anything about the French and Belgian authorities trying to pull this one off after we’ve all been working to EU law for decades without this ever being an issue. I know in France, if something isn’t specifically allowed then its by default, not allowed but this isn’t French domestic law, its EU law which France has to implement in the way the EU wants it implemented, not the way France wants it. Could be interesting, but I doubt it, its not like the EU have any more regard for drivers on the coal face than the French or any other government do.
Where reduced weekly rest periods are taken away from base, these may be taken in a vehicle, provided that it has suitable sleeping facilities and is stationary.
I think the Belgiums and Frenchies are using the absence of the rules saying u can take a 45 in the cab as there interpretation of the rules
gov.uk/government/uploads/s … europe.pdf
Page 23
What exactly is the official and/or real reason for this, it can’t just be for the hell of it, and it can’t be for driver’s welfare reasons given facilities in a modern equipped truck, so why?
Haven’t done Euro for last 5yrs so have lost track of things to date.
robroy:
Haven’t done Euro for last 5yrs so have lost track of things to date.
I often reminisce about my time driving in Europe before moving to Canada and think how nice it would be to go back and do it all again but the more I read about how things are going, even on UK only work for that matter, the more unappealing it looks.
robinhood_1984:
robroy:
Haven’t done Euro for last 5yrs so have lost track of things to date.I often reminisce about my time driving in Europe before moving to Canada and think how nice it would be to go back and do it all again but the more I read about how things are going, even on UK only work for that matter, the more unappealing it looks.
Yeh you’re right, a good job spoiled gradually over the years by changes and over regulated (and mostly unnecessary) b/s, and usually instigated by those that know ■■■■ all about the job in real terms, but continue to balls it up for those that do.
globby 480:
From what I have read some were? it says you cannot have a 45 hr rest period of full 45 hour rest period in the truck. you can have 24 and eeer go to a hotel etc… now the crazy laws doesn’t really state exactly by room, so basically if you carry a 1 man tent you have left the truck and had time away even tho you are only yards away from the truck it doesn’t state you cannot camp !!
Not exactly, it more the fact it specifies daily and reduced weekly rest can be taken in the vehicle, but fail to mention that full weekly rest can be taken in the vehicle. This has often lead to much debate as why it was worded as such, was it merely an over sight or did they mean you couldn’t take a full weekly rest in the vehicle. But it was always pretty academic until Belgium and then not to be out done France decided on their interpretation.
I can only imagine the reason is pressure from some group or other, maybe locals sick of trucks camping out for days on end in their locality or unions annoyed at so many national haulage companies using East European drivers and trucks to haul their trailers.
I’m sure if they start fining drivers and more to the point companies, it will go to court and we might get the definitive answer.
One thing I’ve noticed driving on a weekend through France compared to the last few years is there are actually parking spaces at the services. Not sure if its relevant to this law though.
muckles:
One thing I’ve noticed driving on a weekend through France compared to the last few years is there are actually parking spaces at the services. Not sure if its relevant to this law though.
I’ve read online and being told by people I know that a lot of the eastern Europeans who zig zag western Europe and as a result would fall foul of this (and no doubt the intended target) now have their 45’s in Holland, GB or where ever else so that would certainly tally up with what you’ve being seeing.
Just to confuse all this more it’s not just the driver regs u have to look at but the regs on mobile workers to, which have bits about welfare and home time in them.
Like most of the driver regs its badly written and hard to use in the real world. There is a good side to all this not just bad news, the French and Belgians are doing something about the problem of firms sending people of to work thousands of miles away from home for weeks or mouths at a time which has to be a good thing.
bradthinks:
There is a good side to all this not just bad news, the French and Belgians are doing something about the problem of firms sending people of to work thousands of miles away from home for weeks or mouths at a time which has to be a good thing.
if you are making €200 a month in blagoevgrad it is not the worst thing in the world to be driving a truck in western europe for €1200 a month. I am parked next to a bulgarian unit pulling a danish trailer, a horrible old 124 with bits falling off, chinese tyres and I couldn’t blame him for working here, because in his position I would do the same.
robroy:
robinhood_1984:
robroy:
Haven’t done Euro for last 5yrs so have lost track of things to date.I often reminisce about my time driving in Europe before moving to Canada and think how nice it would be to go back and do it all again but the more I read about how things are going, even on UK only work for that matter, the more unappealing it looks.
Yeh you’re right, a good job spoiled gradually over the years by changes and over regulated (and mostly unnecessary) b/s, and usually instigated by those that know [zb] all about the job in real terms, but continue to balls it up for those that do.
+1
Just a heads up…was woken by the gendarme on sunday morning at the first services on the way out of paris on the A10 …checking my rest period…they were very polite took print out when i stopped and then asked me when i was moving again …they said they werent really interested in me but did it in fairness…
Who you driving for now dog?
kindle530:
Who you driving for now dog?
Ello Mate …on for Whites Transport on the meat now …got a daf 510 ssc …you still on DHL ?
Assume no-one has been fined for this as it’s all gone quiet
Not been fined myself, but have seen police around at the weekend writing down truck registration numbers presumably to track how long they have been there for.
This no 45 hour break rule has now come into force in the UK a driver on a 45 hour break in Liverpool was today fined £300 and escorted to a hotel to finish the remainder of his break. Nice to know that the crime rate in Liverpool is so low that the local constabulary can spare two squad cars to go to the docks and ■■■■■■ a driver to a hotel for the hideous crime of taking a break, must bring great comfort to anyone in Liverpool who in the last 24 hours has been a victim of a real crime and just been fobbed off with a crime number for insurance purposes. Then the police wonder why they are losing public support.
mazzer:
This no 45 hour break rule has now come into force in the UK a driver on a 45 hour break in Liverpool was today fined £300 and escorted to a hotel to finish the remainder of his break. Nice to know that the crime rate in Liverpool is so low that the local constabulary can spare two squad cars to go to the docks and ■■■■■■ a driver to a hotel for the hideous crime of taking a break, must bring great comfort to anyone in Liverpool who in the last 24 hours has been a victim of a real crime and just been fobbed off with a crime number for insurance purposes. Then the police wonder why they are losing public support.