Honestscott76:
Conor:
Trucker-Millward:
I’m 29, I want to go from £11.50 an hour to £18.50 with this new job. You work it out.
Things change all the time. Can’t not better myself because somethings changing in 23 years. Mad man
You quite clearly haven’t if you think £18.50 with no SSP, no paid holiday, no employment rights, having to buy your own PPE, having to pay accountancy fees and all the costs of running a Ltd company makes you a lot better off than someone on £11.50/hr on PAYE.
£18.50 X 60 hrs per week (Average) = £1110.00 per week. How can he not be better off? [emoji849]
I’m rubbish at maths, hence my mantra of price for job is twice the cost of the driver and fuel, so someone feel free to pick these numbers apart.
Our friend on 18.50 earns 222.00 per day(60 hours per week), takes 28 days holiday so his gross is 51504.
Had he been working for someone he would have a 3% pension contribution from his employer, so deduct 1545.00. He will be paying into a private pension won’t be, or is 115.00 a week enough?
Those 28 days holiday that he isn’t getgi.g paid have cost him (as we now average holiday pay) 28 x 222.00= 6216.00, because he will still pay himself when he’s on holiday, which he will take, won’t he.
Accountant costs him 200.00
He pays for his own phone, call it 300.00
So he ends up with 43243.00
Someone employed on 12.00 per hour on say time and a third for 60 hours would get 41600.00.
So our 18.50 man gets around 1700 more a year…but…
He possibly has to buy his own PPE (tax deductible), if he is sick he won’t get sick pay (depends on the generosity of his employer how that goes. Being an intelligent chap he will take out a policy though costing him say 40.00 per month. There goes another. 480.00).
If he works Sunday, he won’t get double time as we pay. If he works bank holiday, he won’t get double time and a day in lieu as I pay.
If work goes quiet , he won’t even get basic hours. My lot stand for a day, at least they get the basic 8 hours.
He has no rights to work. Fair enough, there is the two year hurdle as an employee, but after that you should have a reasonable degree of certainty in employment. As I’ve said before, my longest serving driver has been with me 25 years and I’ve two others that hit 20 years this year.
We can bicker about the minutiae all day, but my point is 18.50 sounds good, but it’s actually not as good as it first appears. If our 18.50 friend works some Sundays and bank holidays, has his own sick pay insurance, he might be slightly worse off.
And all my lads have to do is turn in.
On a slightly sanctimonious level, I have 23 employees. I don’t do the pay so quite what the employers NI is, I’m a bit fuzzy on, but it’s coming up to 100k a year (you can see why our 18.50 man’s boss, er customer, is quids in versus me and can therefore undercut me). But that 100k, much as I don’t like handing it over, pays for the stuff that keeps public services going.