A curtain holding cages should have slats down the length of a trailer to provide it’s own containment.
With straps or bars restraining cages as per normal solid bodied trailer.
I have never had a supermarket trailer, curtain or solid I have not been able to check beforehand.
Chester, you seem to know your rights as to regards what you should check. I’m not convinced you actually know what you’re checking for. In the case of a curtainsider, i thought the load needs to be secured to the load bed ?
Did I not mention a curtainsider should have slats down the lenght making a solid side to attach restraints to? 
Just give me the specific load, the specific trailer and the exact cages and the exact question?
I will be able to give a exact answer.
Instead of you changing the question every time I answer.
chester:
Did I not mention a curtainsider should have slats down the lenght making a solid side to attach restraints to?.
not correct
nick2008:
chester:
Did I not mention a curtainsider should have slats down the lenght making a solid side to attach restraints to?.not correct
Are you going to leave us all in suspense then? Or inform us?
chester:
Did I not mention a curtainsider should have slats down the lenght making a solid side to attach restraints to?Just give me the specific load, the specific trailer and the exact cages and the exact question?
I will be able to give a exact answer.
Instead of you changing the question every time I answer.
You’re going round the houses now. You where able to nail it for a box sided trailer, when obviously the security of such loads does not attract such attention. I’m asking you how should roll cages be contained in a curtain sided trailer, how will you check this and what are you looking for ? We’re also noting that curtainsiders are to be considered as flat beds, i’m helping you out here. Go on…
For the 3rd time of answering
Slats down the length of the curtain usually contained in the roof supports, using these slats attach straps and restrains as per box body.
Why can you not grasp my answer I have now given on 3 separate occasions in the last 2hrs.
If you can’t achieve this then the wrong trailer for the job is being used.
You are free to tell me how you do it Iam always up for learning new tricks.
Mike-C:
chester:
Did I not mention a curtainsider should have slats down the lenght making a solid side to attach restraints to?Just give me the specific load, the specific trailer and the exact cages and the exact question?
I will be able to give a exact answer.
Instead of you changing the question every time I answer.You’re going round the houses now. You where able to nail it for a box sided trailer, when obviously the security of such loads does not attract such attention. I’m asking you how should roll cages be contained in a curtain sided trailer, how will you check this and what are you looking for ? We’re also noting that curtainsiders are to be considered as flat beds, i’m helping you out here. Go on…
The quote you took from me gives you my answer, are you totally bonkers?
chester:
For the 3rd time of answeringSlats down the length of the curtain usually contained in the roof supports, using these slats attach straps and restrains as per box body.
Why can you not grasp my answer I have now given on 3 separate occasions in the last 2hrs.If you can’t achieve this then the wrong trailer for the job is being used.
You are free to tell me how you do it Iam always up for learning new tricks.
No, i’m the one learning new tricks. Apparently, using slats turns a curtainsider into a box body and negates the need for securing the the load bed. Also no need for anti slip matting. Who knew ? None of us…thanks to you.
There’s the answer, put slats on it, you don’t have to secure anything to the load bed…
Mike-C:
chester:
For the 3rd time of answeringSlats down the length of the curtain usually contained in the roof supports, using these slats attach straps and restrains as per box body.
Why can you not grasp my answer I have now given on 3 separate occasions in the last 2hrs.If you can’t achieve this then the wrong trailer for the job is being used.
You are free to tell me how you do it Iam always up for learning new tricks.No, i’m the one learning new tricks. Apparently, using slats turns a curtainsider into a box body and negates the need for securing the the load bed. Also no need for anti slip matting. Who knew ? None of us…thanks to you.
There’s the answer, put slats on it, you don’t have to secure anything to the load bed…
Have you ever seen how Tesco and Stobarts have been achieving this method for years?
chester:
Mike-C:
chester:
For the 3rd time of answeringSlats down the length of the curtain usually contained in the roof supports, using these slats attach straps and restrains as per box body.
Why can you not grasp my answer I have now given on 3 separate occasions in the last 2hrs.If you can’t achieve this then the wrong trailer for the job is being used.
You are free to tell me how you do it Iam always up for learning new tricks.No, i’m the one learning new tricks. Apparently, using slats turns a curtainsider into a box body and negates the need for securing the the load bed. Also no need for anti slip matting. Who knew ? None of us…thanks to you.
There’s the answer, put slats on it, you don’t have to secure anything to the load bed…Have you ever seen how Tesco and Stobarts have been achieving this method for years?
I told you that at the beginning of the thread…
Mike-C:
chester:
Iam that confident of my belief, I shall give a Pepsi challenge to this forum.
Can any poster give an example of when a driver like me would not be in a position to check, restrain a load?Of course, unless it was for the general reasons of being fat, lazy or useless.
I’m pretty sure that someone who uses a set ,documented and recorded loading procedure in line with a risk assesment(i.e Tescos) then yes you are exempt. If you look at the HSE document on safe loading practises then you will see it mentioned in there also.
That’s what you told me^^^^^^^^^^^
The fact of the matter is a driver can still break a seal to check the load, which is the point of this thread.
No matter who and how they load it.
chester:
Mike-C:
chester:
Iam that confident of my belief, I shall give a Pepsi challenge to this forum.
Can any poster give an example of when a driver like me would not be in a position to check, restrain a load?Of course, unless it was for the general reasons of being fat, lazy or useless.
I’m pretty sure that someone who uses a set ,documented and recorded loading procedure in line with a risk assesment(i.e Tescos) then yes you are exempt. If you look at the HSE document on safe loading practises then you will see it mentioned in there also.
That’s what you told me^^^^^^^^^^^
The fact of the matter is a driver can still break a seal to check the load, which is the point of this thread.
No matter who and how they load it.
Right. We’re getting somewhere now. Their loading sheet is signed, you’re not accepting it, you’re doing your own risk assesment of the load. Loading regs says they should be secured to the load bed. You do this ? I’m not interested what they do, i know what they do. You’re the one checking. Are you seccuring them to the load bed as per the regulations and guidelines ?
Mike-C:
chester:
Mike-C:
chester:
Iam that confident of my belief, I shall give a Pepsi challenge to this forum.
Can any poster give an example of when a driver like me would not be in a position to check, restrain a load?Of course, unless it was for the general reasons of being fat, lazy or useless.
I’m pretty sure that someone who uses a set ,documented and recorded loading procedure in line with a risk assesment(i.e Tescos) then yes you are exempt. If you look at the HSE document on safe loading practises then you will see it mentioned in there also.
That’s what you told me^^^^^^^^^^^
The fact of the matter is a driver can still break a seal to check the load, which is the point of this thread.
No matter who and how they load it.Right. We’re getting somewhere now. Their loading sheet is signed, you’re not accepting it, you’re doing your own risk assesment of the load. Loading regs says they should be secured to the load bed. You do this ? I’m not interested what they do, i know what they do. You’re the one checking. Are you seccuring them to the load bed as per the regulations and guidelines ?
This thread is no about me or any other driver restraining loads it’s about breaking seals.
Checking and securing are two different words.
I often break a seal to check
chester:
nick2008:
chester:
Did I not mention a curtainsider should have slats down the lenght making a solid side to attach restraints to?.not correct
Are you going to leave us all in suspense then? Or inform us?
putting slats down the side don’t make it a solid side and never will show me a picture ?
Tesco use a strap system but still anchor to the floor
chester:
This thread is no about me or any other driver restraining loads it’s about breaking seals.Checking and securing are two different words.
I often break a seal to check
Ok, its about breaking seal to check. But point i’m making is whats the point when you aint gonna check properley or you are going to accept a load which is not secured as per regs, but secured as per they say it is ? So, lets take the case of roll cages i.e Tescos. Yes, as you say three across, bar across every three rows or so, depending on how heavy they are. But the same loads in curtains ? They secured the same. They’re also open at the top so the contents can come out. The side bars negate nothing. The cages are not secured to the floor as they should be, it would be logistically very hard to do this, although not impossible.
So to recap, you’d break the seal on the load they say is loaded to their specs, see that its loaded to their specs (and not correctly) and you’ll take it. Whats the point ?
nick2008:
Tesco use a strap system but still anchor to the floor
Floor to roof ? Nothing is secured to the load bed ?
chester:
Mike-C:
chester:
Iam that confident of my belief, I shall give a Pepsi challenge to this forum.
Can any poster give an example of when a driver like me would not be in a position to check, restrain a load?Of course, unless it was for the general reasons of being fat, lazy or useless.
I’m pretty sure that someone who uses a set ,documented and recorded loading procedure in line with a risk assesment(i.e Tescos) then yes you are exempt. If you look at the HSE document on safe loading practises then you will see it mentioned in there also.
Are you trying to tell me that just because somebody loads my trailer and signs a sheet that I can’t satisfy and see for myself the load is fit for transportation?
I’ve had DHL tell me they have VOSA dispensation not to restrain loads
I’ve had stobbies tell me they are allowed to restrain 26t with 2 crossed internals at the rear
So as you can imagine I don’t really care for these internal company policy’s which in real terms means naff all!I can back up these claims with recorded phone calls to VOSA/ DVSA.
I still stand by my Pepsi challenge.
Mike-C this was posted on this thread on page 2. This above^^^^^^^^^
I do not care Who is, who did, who had.
Because maybe they didn’t.
Nothing is better than the driver checking and being responsible for his/her load.
Can you post your claim where you belive
I need black and white here,please work with me?
Eg DVSA policy!
As soon as you prove Iam wrong then Iam wrong.
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chester:
Mike-C this was posted on this thread on page 2. This above^^^^^^^^^
I do not care Who is, who did, who had.
Because maybe they didn’t.
Nothing is better than the driver checking and being responsible for his/her load.
Can you post your claim where you belive
I need black and white here,please work with me?
Eg DVSA policy!
As soon as you prove Iam wrong then Iam wrong.
I already told you. YOU will not be breaking any customs seals anytime soon. Thats your answer.